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I am considering purchasing a taurus 2" revolver and I would like opinions as to which one: the 9mm 5 shot #905 or the 327 mag 6 shot. Externally they are identical and both would be upgraded to Crimson Trace grips later. I know that the 327 is more powerfull and has one more round, and I can shoot other 32 ammo types for practice.
The reason I lean slightly towards the 9mm is: I have two 9mm autos already, a P95 "house" gun with a light/laser on the rail, and a PF9 for ccw, so I would not have another caliber of ammo to look for. I already stock 115 gr Gold Dots and Critical Defense ( for my P95 and Kel Tec PF9 respectively), which I think either would work well in the #905. I also like carrying 1 or 2 moon clips instead of speedloaders . My wifes gun will soon be a Bersa 380 loaded with Critical Defense and also sporting Crimson Trace grips.
 
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I'm not certain I would bet my life on a Taurus revolver. I do have a Taurus PT-145 (10 round .45ACP compact semi auto about $350.00) that I would bet my life on. I have never owned a Taurus revolver but from what I have read that people tend to love them or hate them. I do shoot with people who use the Gaucho revolvers for Cowboy action shooting and they tend to have problems. The quality of Taurus revolvers tends to be hit and miss - if you get a good one it is great if not it tends to be a problem child with poor customer service. If you want to go .327 I would save a little longer and get a Ruger SP 101. If you must stay with the Taurus then I would go 9mm because it has been on the market longer, in my opinon it is less likley to put stress on the gun and the ammunition is cheaper giving you the opportunity to practice more. 5 well placed 9mm rounds are much better than 6 poorly placed .327s. If at all possible get training and shoot some IDPA matches. IDPA is not suited fort 5 round guns nor is it a substitute for good training but a well designed match is about the closest you will come to the real thing and should help you learn about your abilities.
 
I thought a lot more people liked Taurus revolvers more than their semi-autos. I have a PT24/7Pro in 9mm that I usually get a lot of crap for having.
 
If I could find a Ruger SP101 in 9mm, I would not have asked for opinions, they are very rare from what I hear. I have owned 5 Rugers and liked them all( P85, 22Mkll 5.5" bull barrel, 10/22, Mini 14, P95) I am not drawn to the SP101 in 327 mag because of the 3" barrel, I would prefer nothing longer than 2 1/2".
Here in NV, any single revolver on your ccw permit qualifies you for ALL revolvers, so you don't have to requalify with a new revolver. Any time you desire to add a new autoloader, here, you have to requalify. I might consider a Charter Arms 327 Patriot or 38 undercover 2", but I have not heard of anyone who has had one. Should have kept my S&W M38 airweight!!!
 
I have owned a Charter Arms undercover with Pachmyers (compact round butt) for over 25 years and while it is not hhe best built revolver I've ever owned it goes off every time, has a nice trigger and is accurate for a 2" barrel. If you would consider .38spl the Ruger LCR is excellent. Very light and handles recoil very well even with 158gr +P loads. The trigger is great straight out of the box. I've had one for a couple of months now and my only complaint is the dark black front sight. XS has a tirtrium front comming out in the next month or so. The front sight is pinned so replacing it would not be a big problem. The only downside to my Charter is the screws tend to work loose but I have not tried using locktite. I also have a Bulldog with the factory bobbed hammer which is fun to shoot. Crimson Trace grips are available now for the LCR.
 
Taurus guns

:cuss:
I realize some people have had good results from Taurus guns, but I find they make poor door stops and wouldn't use one for anything else.

In the '80s I worked for a security firm. The boss was big on the Beretta 92. Then he got a client from Brasil who demanded the guards carry the Taurus. The boss bought 12 Taurus 92's.

Not one would work. Failure to feed, failure to extract, some couldn't hold a four-inch group at 50 feet and some had fliers over a foot off point of aim. Sent 'em all back to Hialeah FL, came back with same problems. Sent back with note that time was urgent. Came back with letter saying they met spec. We tested them and found the same problems. The boss took the Taurus escuteons off the grips and cobbled them onto the Berettas and told everyone to keep them out of sight. Customer never noticed.

Then, a Big Name Gun 'Riter said Taurus had overcome all their quality control issues and were making great guns. I had taught my children to shoot from age 5, buying them their own Ruger 10/22's at age 10 and then letting them shoot any gun I had. They all (3) wanted their own .22 revolvers and the Taurus got these great write-ups and the price was right. I bought 4. We went to an indoor range (winter in 'Sconsin) and started banging away. A few shots into it, middle son, age 12, says he can't see the sight. Hmmm. I check the gun. Rear sight has flung itself to parts unkown. I gave him mine. Less than a dozen rounds later each boy is saying he can't fire double action. I check each gun. The action is so tight even *I* can't turn the cylinder double action. I hit 'em with Action Blaster, relube with CLP, hand 'em back. Two cylinders through each and the problem returns. I tell them to just shoot single-action. After 18 rounds the guns cannot be cocked any more. Range session reverts to ever-reliable Ruger Single Six's.

I sent them back to Florida. Twice. Got that 'They're up to spec' letter. Took them to a local gunsmith once. No help. Over the years I sold them to people who knew about them. I just can't sell them to someone who doesn't. Still have one I can't sell. Kinda like a troll in my safe.

THEN, you'd think I'd learn, I bought a Taurus .44 Special five-shooter from a colleague for lunch money. The trigger was awful. Not possible to hold a group due to extreeem grittyness, creep, required pressure. Wouldn't fire one of every 10 rounds; light primer strikes. Off to Florida. Back with new spring so light one out of five rounds would not fire. Had local gunsmith install spec spring, clipped one coil, work over action. It's better, still fails to fire one out of eight. Makes a poor doorstop. I have too much $$$ in it.

In the '80s I was working oversees when a colleague offered me a Taurus 92C with five magazines. I said "No **cking way!" He lowered the price to peanuts. I bought. It is one of the best guns I've ever had. Fired first time, every time, accuarate, no malfs of any kind. I've turned down Beretta Compact prices for it.

With that happy experience I accepted a Taurus 100 .40S&W with trepidation. Shore 'nuff, failures to feed and eject, and wouldn't hold eight inches at 50 feet, fliers further. Sent to Florida. Came back WORSE! Back with a really really really nasty note. Came back with new barrel and some unspecified new innards. It's a beaut. Wouldn't trade it. Won't bet my life on it. Great for training.

So, my suggestion, don't buy a Taurus unless you're paid to take it 'cause you'll need the money to get it fixed or dump it. Used S&W .38s and .357s abound for around $400, and a GP100 can be had for less. Or get that .327 Magnum from Ruger. All work first time every time. I just bought a S&W 586 on Gunbroker for $360, $380 delivered. Can't beat that. Finish shows holster and duty wear, conjuring up lovely images of past lives, and it is a bit loose but accurate.

You mentioned the Bersa. When I was working security the Bersa was very popular. VERY "El Cheapo," but that meant less pain when they had to be surrendured at borders. They had crappy triggers (something to think about for a anyone who doesn't train to overcome them), felt like junk, concealed well, were light weight, and worked. I give 'em a "buy" rating with note that Wife will want to work at it to be able to use the trigger.
-Backpacker33
 
I'm one of those that’s had good luck with several Taurus revolvers, but with one exception, (model 85 .38 Ultra-Light/ aluminum-steel construction) I stick to all-steel revolvers.

That said, I don’t like either of your choices. :(

It will be a cold day in a well-known warm place when I buy any small snubby chambered in .357 Magnum. If you use magnum cartridges recoil control is difficult at best, and the muzzle flash will temporally blind you in low light. Of course you can use a wide range of .38 rounds, but then you have to keep cleaning out the chambers – otherwise you’ll have trouble extracting the longer .357 cases after you fire them. The best advise I can give you on this is to try one with magnum ammunition before you buy.

The problem with the 9mm isn’t so much the revolver as the necessary-to-use full moon clips. At least in the past people have had trouble with these, and Taurus is the only source.
 
If it was me, I'd go for the .327 Federal, but I'd prefer the S&W or Ruger offerings, though I'm not sure I'd decline the Taurus if the price was right--though they do have 6 shot snub-nose .38s, so I might lean that way, as all my other wheelguns are .357s or .38+Ps. But the .327 intrigues me.

In your case, the 9mm would seem to be the way to go. You've already got the ammo & trust it, all you'd need are moonclips.
 
keep it simple

I don't own a Taurus have fired a couple witch made my decision easy ,so i bought a Ruger.
If you want a 9mm revolver, (it maybe hard to find ) look at the sp 101 i just bought one in 357 and i can tell you with out a doubt it's a much better gun then a Taurus. (sorry Taurus fans)
I like to keep it simple and only own a few handgun sizes 38/357 9mm and 22lr/22 mag
i plan on reloading in the near future so i save my brass.
Bersa also makes a 9mm so before you buy the 380 you might want to just look at one .
The 327 is a nice cal but from what i hear dificult to find, i cant reallly say much more on that.
Hope that helps.:)
 
On the .327... 3" seems to be the optimal barrel length. There is a significant velocity dropoff in barrels shorter than that. 300-350 fps. At 3", bullet diameter excluded, the .327 should be identical to a 9mm +P. At 2" it's more like a hot .380.
 
I have owned who knows how many DA revolvers from all the makers, and the only two I have left are both Tauruses. A 431 .44 Special and a 3" 605 .357 I got last Summer. I put Wolff spring kits in all my revolvers, and these two are no exceptions. In my opinion, the simpler lockwork makes them respond to the changes better than the Smiths. If Smith had made a 5 shot K frame like the Model 65 in .44 Special I would have that, but they didn't.
I sold guns for many years, starting in the early 80s, and I didn't find the Tauruses to have any more problems than the Smiths or the others, and when there was a problem, any of the manufacturers dealt with it satisfactorily.
The only "advantages" I have ever seen to a 9mm are magazine capacity and low recoil. I wouldn't begin to consider a revolver in that caliber. The "new" .327 is a only thirty two, being hyped by the gun media. Repeat, a THIRTY-TWO. Between those two, go with the 9mm.
 
The only recent Tauruses I've dry-fired have felt like complete garbage. Never thought of Wolffs, but what you say about the simpler lockwork makes good sense.

My Colt clone felt lousy, too, until I put Wolffs in it. Now it feels so good I don't want to sell it, even though I have no real reason to keep it.:)
 
Before i bought I did a little research on the Taurus and Rossi .357 revolvers and found fairly frequent issues in chambering/ejecting with the Taurus that didn't seem to be connected with incorrect cleaning either. As read above many trips back to the factory and the issues were still there. With the .38 specials this wasn't an issue so if I were to buy a Taurus I'd skip the .357 models. Mike
 
I owned a Taurus 327, and sold it to buy a Ruger SP101 with three inch barrel. The Ruger is a far superior weapon. I really haven't been impressed with the 327 though. High cost of amm + uncertainty of the continued availability. I think I'm going to get the same SP101 in a 357 instead. Good Luck
 
I like Taurus revolvers and have a few, that said, when I decided on a 327, I went with Charter Arms Target Patriot over all the others because it has a 4" barrel and adjustable sights. Good gun, I have put 400 rounds of 327 and an equal # of hot 32 Magnums. 32 Mag loaded up is a good round if 327 cases are in short supply, as they are. I cast and handload everything I shoot so I say 327 over 9MM. I do have 9MM also, 327 is better for me.
 
I have both Taurus 24/7pro and the revolvers and I would bet my life on either one. Never one time did they fail to fire or cycle. The revolver is well made but not well finished. I think they could have done a better job in rounding and buffing. I know you did not ask but the 24/7 pro is absolutely a fantastic well made gun. I performed some inner polishing and it cycles as smooth as glass.

As far as the 327 mag X6 vs a 9mm you could argue it all day and never get a good conclusion. I would go for the 6 shot 327 mag
 
I have a pt145 mil pro and I almost sold it.

I had nightmares about not having it anymore and backpedaled.

I shot, oh, maybe 200 rounds off that thing. Factory, reloads, mish mash of hand me down old ammo.

Not a peep ... it worked perfectly.

I have the 605 ss 5 shot.

It is in my pants pocket right now.


I own 7 other different handguns, american, argentinean, german.

So far they all work, but those two are the easiest to carry.
 
After reading all the previous posts, I am REALLY sorry I sold my S&W airweight Bodyguard M38!!! I do like the Ruger SP101 and if I have to , I may pick up a .38 version if I can't find a 9mm. The 2 1/2" Charter Arms Crimson Patriot interests me, and I have seen enough ammo available in 327 mag that I am not too concerned about feeding it. I still favor slightly a 9mm 5 shot , but not to the point of buying an inferior gun ( Taurus ).
I am hearing opinions re: Taurus quality or lack thereof that are all over the map. Good thing that my budget gives me some time to gather more research. I am searching for a ccw gun for my wife at this time and the Bersa 380 is the one she likes, so I need to find one for her to shoot before we buy one. I want a ccw revolver after we buy her gun, which is why I am asking for opinions. If I could tell her what to get , my first choice is a 2" snubby , loaded with Hornady Critical Defense and Crimson Trace grips. But it will be HER gun, so I am going to let her decide what she wants. In the meantime , I will continue to gather info, thanks, all....
 
Agree with Backpaker33

See Backpacker33 above - not all Taurus handguns are bad, but very few are any good at all for real shooting. Learned my lessons the hard way (as usuall).
 
robo9mm, reading your post I feel you already know your anserw you stated a concern for not having to stock another caliber of ammo and your wife is going to get a .380 so that another one already if you go with the 327 now we have 3 since you like the 9mm as you should I fine it a very good caliber I would go with the Taurus in 9mm. Taurus seems to work fine or very poor which you should know soon after you get it and can send it back.

be safe
 
From what I have read so far, Taurus revolvers are ok, better with Wolf springs. Taurus moon clips are weak, S&W moon clips can be made to work, Ranch Products ( available at Midway ) are good, Ruger SP101 moon clips may be the best. I like the moon clips because they are faster to reload with than speedloaders and I really like the Hornady Critical Defense ammo, which I use in my Kel Tec PF9.
One other reason I am considering the 9mm revolver is for my wife : simple operation, low recoil ,crimson trace grips, no safety to worry about, no stiff slide to pull back, etc... I would get another PF9, but the wife doesn't like any of the K/T's, thats why I am looking at the Bersa 380 and the Taurus 905. I'll take a look at Charter Arms before I make a final decision, too.
We will also try a few 38 revolvers with Hornady C/D ammo, which wouldn't surprise me to ultimately be the best compromise for her and me. A Ruger 38 LCR or SP101 would be more than acceptable, then.
 
You drew me here with the subject line "Your opinion please".

Now, I'll offer my opinion, then leave you to your decision.

Buy a Smith or a Ruger.

Good luck.
 
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