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So my 9 year old boy will be able to hunt next year. I would like to get him a new rifle. Or at least new to us. Today I looked at the Ruger, Savage, Browning, and a Tikka. So far the savage is in the lead. I could not find any other youth guns, or any uses ones. I am open to suggestions and ideas, I have even thought about cutting down a full size stock on a shorter barreled gun, but I am not sure how well that will work out. I would really like something without a drop out magazine.

I am thinking .243 since I already load for it, but I am open to other caliber suggestions as well. Just not 7mm-09. I have been converting 7mm-08 into .243 and don't want any mistakes.

I am open to thoughts and ideas.

Thanks for your input.
 
243 is a good choice. I think a 260 might be a better balance of power and recoil, but finding ammo may be more of an issue.

For the money I like the Ruger American, I have one of the compacts in 223 that is a tack driver. I have several much better rifles, the Ruger is a beater that was cheap and I don't worry about getting it damaged.

Savage has a reputation for good accuracy, I just don't like them as well and they have just about priced themselves out of the budget category. If I'm spending that much, I think they are better choices.

The Tikka is a good gun. Better than Ruger or Savage in my opinion. But the higher price reflects this. If you want to spend the extra the Tikka is a good rifle.
 
Hard to beat a Savage, IMO. Once he gets older and can shoot a full size rifle, then get him the Tikka. ;)

I can also see a lot of merit in a single shot rifle.
 
Marlin XS7. Youth rifle, bolt action, synthetic stock, accurate, and not too spendy.
 
The Tikka is about the same price, it is a youth rifle.

I can't find a Marlin. I have a XS7 in 308 and I like it just fine.
 
I decided to just pass rifles down. My dad didn't buy me new rifles he gave me his rifles. With the new managed recoil a 270 or 30.06 can easily be handled by a kiddo. If you have nothing they can use Getem a handi and in 4 or 5 years you can Getem a rem cdl ruger m77 or win model 70.
 
I don't have one to pass down. And neither does any one else in the family. He is a pretty small framed boy and we have him on some medication that is making him loose his appetite, so I don't anticipate him getting much bigger by the summer as far as muscle and weight goes. So I want to find him the smallest caliber possible to take a deer or antelope.

I have thought about the 223, but I am not sure it has enough to get the job done out past a 100 yards or so. Maybe I am wrong, but to me it seems a little light.
 
The Savage will be a good gun to him. I used to be wary of .243 as a hunting round, but with solid copper TTSX/GMX rounds, it can " punch above its weight". The .260Rem and 6.5 Creed are also good rounds with fantastic factory ammo in the 123gr loads that should be doable for your son (there are also some 105/110gr loads as well).

Another option, especially if you have an AR already, is 6.5 Grendel. Mild recoil, but a real deer killer at a far longer distance than your son should be attempting a kill. The AR platform is far more adaptable to small-framed folks than other guns, and without taking a saw and sander to it. Factory ammo is available and accurate (you'll be reloading or doing mail order for the most part though). With a pencil barrel and light free float handguard, decent scope and mount will be light enough with a short length of pull.

And as a former short kid (now below average height adult), don't sweat it too much. The more people fretted about it, the more I got sad about it. Once everyone knocked it off and let me be a skinny short kid, it was a lot better. I'm not saying don't deal with the medical issues, just remember that people will only be what you expect them to be.

Enough internet - I'm going to go play with my kids!
 
Grubbylabs;

If you've got the time and inclination, look around for a 6.5 Swede Cavalry Carbine. You'd want one with mis-matched numbers, ie. an arsenal rebuild and a decent but not pristine stock. The price should be absolutely reasonable, the gun's tougher'n nails the boy won't hurt it, and the caliber will take any thin-skinned animal on this continent.

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He doesn't need a short barrel. Just a rifle with a stock that fits him. A great deal depends on his size and, moreso, his shooting experience, but the cartridge means little. You can change the bullet weight on a .308/.30-06(a 130 grain bullet will kill Bambi just as dead as a 180) and he'll be fine if the stock fits.
Since he has a year to learn, he'll have time to practice hitting that 9" pie plate, off hand, at 100 yards.
 
I have two more suggestions, though they are slightly more money than what you've been looking at (~$500). I own both of these.

Weatherby Vangaurd S2 synthetic youth. It has a 12.5" LOP. It's my go to hunting rifle at the moment (I'm 5'6" and I've been done growing, at least vertically, for 20 years).

Thompson Center Dimension. LOP adjustable (with spacers) from12.5"-13.5". This is TC's switch barrel bolt action design. It's ugly as heck but shoots very well. Calibers from 204 Ruger to 300 Win Mag are available and user interchangable in about five minutes.

The Weatherby has a hinged floor plate and the TC uses a magazine. My Weatherby is probably my favorite rifle. Great balance, great Monte Carlo stock, and the best trigger of any rifle I own. The Thompson Center is so accurate it's hard not to love.

The Mossberg 464 SPX would also be worth a look. Another ugly as heck rifle, but it's hard to argue with a 30-30 lever action. LOP adjust from 10.5-15" in seconds (AR style sliding stock). I've never handled one, but I've been tempted to buy one.
 
Lever actions are good for training, simply because you have to lift the rifle, and reset your natural point of aim. Slows you down a little, and teaches you to repeat your firing posture.

I wanted to comment on this as well. .224 can be shot out to 1000 yards, and is regularly used at 300-500 yards, however I wouldn't risk hunting with it at that range.
 
Has he got a .22? Getting the deer version of that might narrow down the field quickly.

As for cartridge a .260 or 6.5x55 is probably a better choice. Even a 7mm08 with the light 120gr loads or 130gr handloads would. But you're already in the .243 and comfortable with it for the purpose, so why not stick with it.

I would not consider a barrel less than 20" due to increased muzzle blast. Even the 20" is noticeable. 2" more of barrel isn't a big deal in a standard or light taper barrel. As he should be trained to always use a rested aim, it's even less of a deal than we might make it out.

If you go with one of the rougher actions like a Savage, consider a tactical bolt handle to help the little fellow out.

Also consider that he might be stuck with the rifle here on out. I know I've still got my old .30/30 I got when I was that age. I'll never sell it even though I never did like that rifle.

I'd jump on this: http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=455910224

Another option would be the Ruger American Predator in 6.5 Creedmoor swapped over to a youth stock. I think Ruger and Boyd's sell those.
 
I was going through something similar about 10 years ago myself with the oldest grandson. He got it in his red toe head that he wanted to shoot himself a hog. There as no talking him out of it and he simply WOULDN'T shut up about it. I have quite a few rifles but like your issue nothing to fit a tiny kid. Even with my daughter, she started out shooting a Rem 760 in .243 with some reduced loads. Even with that she was still stretching to reach everything.

So I tried everything in my safe and the only thing that would fit the boy was the Ruger Compact in .308 I had been using myself. So I dropped some cash on an EER scope, worked up some of the Hodgdon reduced loads and off to the races we went. He started off with around 36gr of H-4895, shooting 3 rounds at first, then 5, then all I would load up and bring with me. By the time hunting season rolled around the following year he was up to 40 or so grains and shooting around 1.5" at 75 and 100yds. I wasn't going to let him shoot a critter that far out but it made him try harder to keep things where they should be.

I realize the little Ruger's aren't the spit and polished versions of some brands, but they are tough as nails and will hold up to a LOT of punishment. I know mine has been bounced up and off the front end of my 4 wheeler numerous times, run over a couple, and been so full of rain water I may as well have just dunked it in the lake. Wipe it off, spray it down and go hunt.

If you go with the .243, like you mention there are quite a few mid weights that would work well for him even with reduced loads. The first to come to mind is the 95gr Nosler Ballistic Tip. While it might be pretty explosive driven to top end, they behave quite nice in the range of around 2500fps. That would give him a good soft load that would still be capable of driving through the vitals on a deer, if ranges are kept short of course. Then there are some of the lighter bonded core bullets as well as even the Partition in a couple of weights. I wouldn't opt for one of the solid copper ones until you start getting the velocity up into the 27-2800 range for reliable expansion. That might sound high, but with the 85-95gr bullets it isn't really all that.

Give the Hodgdon reduced loads a hard look, as well as their data for the other weights in .243. Any bullet weight that has a listed load using H-4895, can be reduced 60% from the top end. Those make for some nice loads for a youth, especially when they want to shoot, but aren't quite up to full recoil. To be honest those lighter loads in my .308 have been some of the most accurate ones I have used. When we finally went to the full power factory loads, we wee shooting the 130gr TSX over a 42gr load of H4895, which was getting right around 2850's from my short 16.5" barrel. Those are some REAL fun little buggers to shoot as well.

My middle grandson leaned towards wanting to get started early as well. However once he got popped by the recoil he dropped that idea real quick. I got him the Ruger Compact in the laminate stock and it is a good deal heavier than my .308. Even with the reduced loads with 85gr bullets he was backing off. The youngest of the three however is a glutton for punishment. Not to be outdone by "big" brother, he bellied up to the 308 for his first round shot, and hit the bull almost dead center. Course he wanted no more of that action, but he DID fall in behind the .243 and work off about 20 rounds through it. He however hasn't got the strength to manage it though unless it is on bags or a rest. My criteria to hunt is not only being proficient in shooting, but they also have to be able to manage the rifle as well. I can't hold it up for them and aim and have them pull the trigger. IF they can't do those things I might as well do it myself. The oldest, like mentioned above, red toe headed boy that he is, managed the .308 even when he got it over a bit far and worked on his collar bone a few times. He raised up a few tears along the way but, he never said I quite or I don't want too. Now just turning 13 last week, he has shot about every rifles I use, up to and including my Sendero in 7mm STW. It isn't the heavy synthetic either, it is the lighter weight laminate. The scary thing is after he shot it the first time, he had this big ol smile on his face. You know the one, The "its mine you just don't know it yet".

I wish you all the best with your venture. Fit is foremost, and if it fits him good the recoil can be worked around.
 
This is the rifle I am leaning towards, http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/7-G19708. I think it was by far the smoothest rifle I handles the other day while looking.



His 22 is a cricket. I am not to sure I want to get him the Handi rifle, I have heard lots of bad stories about recoil on those.


As a Savage owner/builder, I can tell you that that rifle can be the basis of a lot of great gun. With just a few simple handtools, you can swap the barrels out and change for every cartridge in the 308 family. Swap for bolt, and you can do the 223 or PPC families. Custom stocks and chassis abound! Mine started out in much the same configuration as the picture in the link you posted. Here it is now
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You don't have to drop a $600 custom stock onto it. There are hundred dollar laminate stocks that you can cut down to his link the pool and put a nice recoil pad on for him
 
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If you handled a Savage along side those others and it was the smoothest, drop everything and BUY THAT RIFLE. It usually takes a couple hundred bucks for a 'smith to get one like that.
 
There have been many good suggestions given already. A 243 with a shortened stock, loaded with 100 grain Partitions to about 2800 FPS will give you mild recoil and dead deer all day long. It's a good choice.

Here's a wild, off the wall suggestion: A used Savage/Stevens 30-30 bolt action can easily be had for $200 or less. Most of them are about 2 MOA. They will easily take down a deer at 125-150 yards or so.... more if you use Leverevolution ammunition, which takes them out to 200. Recoil is mild.

That's something you can cut down. If you save the piece you cut off, you can screw it back in place later when he gets a little bigger.

It's something inexpensive that will serve him well until he gets a bit more growth.

Also, if you can get what you want in a new 260, he'll have a rifle that will last him for as long as he wants to hunt deer.

Good luck. And good on you for preparing him and getting him equipped.

Well, according to Gunbroker, those 30-30s sell for more than that now. Darn. They originally sold for $99.95 at Western Auto in the late 70s. I bought mine about 3 years ago for $165.
 
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Think I am going to take the boy into town tonight. We will see how the Youth rifles fit him. I might just order a Boyds stock and put it on the Rem 783 I just bought, then I might by my self a higher quality 243. Either way he gets a new gun. I was kinda hoping to find a nice used Remington or similar, I could cut down to fit him. But for what people are asking for some of those used rifles I might as well by a new one, its cheaper.
 
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