Yugo SKS: Can I replace the stock or not?

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Hi all,

I've got a Yugo SKS with bayonet and grenade launcher. I've been reading up on 922(r), etc., and I think I'm more confused than I was when I started reading.

All I want to do is replace the beat-up wooden stock with a synthetic, normal, non-folding, non-pistol grip stock. Just a plain old stock. In other words, replacing the stock will not add any new feature or change the function of the gun -- it will just replace the old one.

Since I'm not adding a pistol grip or any other "new features" to the gun, can I do this without having to replace a host of other parts to meet the 10-parts-rule?

Thanks for any tips.... these rules are ridiculous.
 
Not without removing the "non sporting" features. That is, the bayonet, grenade launcher, and night sights. Then it will be like any other "sporting" rifle.

The problem is that any alteration voids the C&R status of the rifle. Without that status, you have an imported non sporting rifle, and you have to either play the 10 or less part replacement game or you have to strip off the evil stuff.

Stupid, yes. But them's the rules.
 
People like Tapco sells kits to replace a bunch of the parts. All the parts in the gas system can be replaced also.
 
Your Yugo was imported as a Curio and Relic. Once you take it out of that status (adding an aftermarket design stock) you will need to make it compliant.

The only way to legally replace your "beat-up wooden stock" w/o complying withe the 922r is to replace it with a "brand new Yugo SKS stock".
 
Thanks for the info everyone. Maybe I'll just take a stab at refinishing the existing stock. I'd rather not have to buy a bunch of other parts and lose the ability to keep my bayonet.
 
I thought as long as you didn't change the fact that the magazine was nondetachable it didn't matter because it must have a detachable mag to be an "assault rifle"
 
I have a chinese that was from a never fired SKS that was removed for a dragunuv stock. I think the only difference is that the chinese has the sling mount on the side as opposed to the russian sling mount on the bottom. Then again all sks seem to be made differently to a degree. Or try anti-gun-bay or gunbroker. Here are a few for you http://cgi.ebay.com/Nice-wood-sks-g...ryZ36258QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

this one's a yugo
http://cgi.ebay.com/SKS-Wooden-Rifl...ryZ73951QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
 
Does replacing the gas piston put one in violation?
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No you are replacing a part with the same part

I thought as long as you didn't change the fact that the magazine was nondetachable it didn't matter because it must have a detachable mag to be an "assault rifle"
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It has to do with sporting-non sporting gun importation not the assault ban, that doesn't exist anymore
In fact you almost have to add a detachable mag to bring the US parts count up

I don't know about brand new Yugo stocks but they are available online of you look

I just gave away two last month
They usually go for about $10

Chinese stocks will fit a Yugo if the bayo is correct
 
Second hand stocks are easy to come by. I would like to dress mine up with the nice tapco ones--but I'm not investing the time and money in the 10 parts compliance either. My goal was a neat and cheap back-up rifle--and that the SKS is. The rules are silly--but it's probably better to leave them alone lest they garner un-wanted attention:).
 
According to this: http://www.victorinc.com/SKS-FAQ.html

replacing your stock with a non-folding stock would be okay.
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No, it wouldn't. Read lower. The 59/66 falls under C&R regulations, which mean that ANY modification voids the C&R status. Since it is a non-sporting firearm due to the grenade launcher, night sights, and bayonet, the only thing that makes it legal with those items attaches is that C&R status. If you change a thing, you void that status, and you now have a firearm that is illegal because it is an imported non-sporting weapon. Then those three things need to go in order to make it "sporting."

What happens if I modify a C&R SKS Carbine?

It appears that just about any modification you can think of causes a C&R rifle to lose its C&R status: Replacing a wooden stock with a synthetic one, adding a muzzle break, removing the bayonet, etc.

Look at it this way: SKS Carbines would normally be prohibited from importation due to its “non-sporting” features. The ONLY reason it is allowed into the country is because it is C&R eligible, meaning that it has some sort of historical value. Furthermore, ATF has stated repeatedly that in order for a surplus military firearm to retain C&R status, it must be complete and in its “original military configuration”. Otherwise, it is not C&R and may not be importable under Title 18 USC § 925(d)(3).

Should C&R status be lost, any remaining “restricted features” will need to be removed. For most SKS Carbines, the bayonet is the only “restricted feature”. For Yugoslavian Type 59/66A1 SKS Carbines, the grenade launcher, and night sights may also be “restricted features”.
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According to this: http://www.victorinc.com/SKS-FAQ.html

replacing your stock with a non-folding stock would be okay.
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Unfortunately, that apparently was written with non-Yugos in mind.

What modifications can I do to my imported fixed-magazine SKS Carbine without violating Title 18 USC § 922(r)?

As long as your SKS Carbine contains more than ten imported parts, the answer is: “Not very much”. Some guidance can be gleaned from a letter to the NRA from ATF Technology Branch, printed in the NRA magazine, American Rifleman May, 1994. It specifically mentions the following the following modifications of an standard SKS Carbine would not be violations of Title 18 USC § 922(r):

1. Replace the existing stock and handguard with a non-folding wooden or synthetic stock having either a Monte Carlo or thumbhole design. [See the discussion of pistol grips and thumbhole stocks.]

2. Attach a muzzle mounted recoil compensator, provided that the device is not also designed as a flash suppressor.

3. Replace the existing 10 round magazine with a fixed 5 round magazine or install a block in the well of the 10 round fixed magazine to limit its capacity to 5 rounds.

4. Replace the existing receiver cover with a cover having a telescopic sight based and/or rings.

5. Replace the front and/or rear sight or install an ambidextrous safety.

The full text of this letter can be found in an older SKS FAQ, which can be found on William Bardwell’s web site. The letter is dated, so it does not address Yugoslavian Type 59/66 that are imported with bayonets, night sites, and grenade launchers. It is reasonable to assume that all three of these features must be removed if these rifles are modified out of their C&R status. The letter also mentions detachable magazines (see the LCMM discussion) and fixed large capacity magazines (see the 20-round magazine discussion), but these modifications are no longer allowed.
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Technically, the GL was supposed to be de-activated or removed before being sold in CA. But of course none of the large corps sending them in got in trouble, it would be the individual with the CA titled "Destructive Device" still attached to the muzzle.

Just another confusing CA SKS conundrum we SKS owners have to deal with. :rolleyes:

Justin
 
It's obvious here that nobody knows what the hell they're talking about. Including the morons who wrote the rules in the first place.

OP, just replace the stock, gas piston, op rod, and mag (from TAPCO) and call it a friggin' day.
 
It's obvious here that nobody knows what the hell they're talking about.
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Well, that's a pretty non-high-road thing to say, in addition to being just flat-out wrong.

Facts:
1) The Yugo SKS (especially the 59/66) has a rather convoluted legal status.
2) Curio & Relic regulations allow its importation, but any alteration (short of "restorative" work, which would be stock or metal refinishing or simple repair) voids that status.
3) If the C&R status on that rifle is voided, then 922r applies, and you can either play the 10 or less game or just remove the offending parts.

Yes, the rules are stupid. No argument there. But that doesn't mean they are impossible to understand or that those who try to explain them don't know "what the hell they're talking about." This is why I usually tell people the Yugo SKS is a great gun as-is, and really isn't worth the trouble of trying to mod.

OSS is simply asking about a stock replacement and has indicated no interest in messing with numerous parts replacements.
 
I hope this is not a thread hijacker.

Say I take my Yugo, get the Tapco T6 stock and put it on. Who is going to arrest me for being in violation of the 922r rule?

Would any cop finding it in my vehicle on a traffic stop know? How does one know if their is ten or less without being fully educated on it?

Say I get the T-6 stock and thirty round mag, how does an authority know if you changed gas rods and what all?

I am very curious?
 
Im283 said:
I hope this is not a thread hijacker.

Say I take my Yugo, get the Tapco T6 stock and put it on. Who is going to arrest me for being in violation of the 922r rule?

Would any cop finding it in my vehicle on a traffic stop know? How does one know if their is ten or less without being fully educated on it?

Say I get the T-6 stock and thirty round mag, how does an authority know if you changed gas rods and what all?

I am very curious?
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When in doubt, the authorities confiscate and inspect.
 
Would any cop finding it in my vehicle on a traffic stop know? How does one know if their is ten or less without being fully educated on it?
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Maybe he does, how many years of your life are you willing to risk on that bet?

As the site being sourced said
The gun itself may not pose any real problem
The real danger is it for some reason you have to use it and it is found to be non compliant, the charges just start stacking from there
 
3) If the C&R status on that rifle is voided, then 922r applies, and you can either play the 10 or less game or just remove the offending parts.
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This applies to me, as I have a yugo with the bells and whistles. Let me get this straight, and maybe figure everything into a non-confusing mess.

The standard imported Yugo is compliant only as is under the C&R status.
If you replace the stock with a wood or synth of the same length and design (no folder, draganov, etc), you are still considered compliant as it is covered under a repair.
Likewise, were you to replace the gas-switch or piston, or bolt piston and spring (in the receiver itself) with a USA replacement, you are still in compliance under repair status.

If you do anything that would be considered a modification, such as a folder stock, bipod, etc, you MUST either remove the GL, Bayonete, and night sights, or replace enough parts with US made parts to cover the 922 rule.

Does that cover it?
 
When in doubt, the authorities confiscate and inspect.
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Maybe he does, how many years of your life are you willing to risk on that bet?
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It is not worth doing any of it. for about the amount it would cost to modify a Yugo that is C&R I could buy one already modified and not have to screw around with it. Then still it might be prudent to carry the bill of sale with the rifle so one can prove it was bought that way.

I guess I will keep refinishing the stock a different color when I get bored with it.
 
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