Zero and vertical adjustment for scopes on AR15s & AR308s

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Where are your optics zeroed in terms of total elevation travel and are you using a canted mount on an AR15/AR308?

A few months back I sent a Leupold Mark 4 3.5-10x40mm M1 FFP scope to Leupold to have the vastly superior M5 adjustments installed. Once I got it back I mounted the scope on a POF P308 rifle using Nightforce Ti rings that came with a Nightforce scope I bought in 2013. The center of the scope sits 2-7/8" above the center of the bore. It was easy to zero the scope and all was good. Earlier in the week I ordered/received a Vortex Viper PST 4-16x50mm FFP scope with the idea that I would use it on the POF and move the Leupold to another rifle. Before removing the Leupold it occurred to me to see where the zero was in terms of total elevation travel. It turns out that a 100 yard zero only left me with 5.2 mils of vertical adjustment which means that I would run out of adjustment beyond 600 yards. That particular Mark 4 has 20 mils of total vertical adjustment so the zero is at 3/4 of the total travel i.e. only 1/4 of the total vertical range is useful. I have the new Vortex mounted but haven't zeroed the scope yet. I'm hoping that it zeros much closer to the center of the vertical adjustment range giving me something closer to 8 mils of vertical adjustment but somehow I think I'll be back where I was with the Leupold.

Most AR mounts that I've seen/used including LaRue and GG&G don't have any cant built in. Some companies do make canted one-piece mounts but most seem to be for bolt action rifles rather than AR15/AR308 rifles. Back to the original question ... where are your optics zeroed in terms of total elevation travel and are you using a canted mount? Here's the rifle with the Leupold scope. POFs forend and integral rail add about 1/2" to the top of the receiver, hence the medium rings which put the scope where it needs to be.

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I looked at the LaRue LT112 but the 1.535" height from the top of the rail to the center of the scope is too high. The Nightforce rings currently on the rifle are 1.125" from the top of the rail to the center of the scope. Thanks for the link to American Defense Mfg. The AD-RECON-SL might work with 1.110" from top of rail to center of scope. Once I zero the Vortex, if I don't have at least 8 mil of elevation I'll look more closely at the RECON-SL. I wonder if it has a built in recoil lug.

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I sent an email to ADM since I can't tell if the cross bolts have a square or round cross section. I have a couple of GG&G mounts with a similar design and with round cross bolts but they didn't work well on my POF.
 
Bobro also makes mounts with cant options, don't know the height over rail choices though.
 
I have a Adm recon with a 20 moa cant and I am a big fan. I use it to swap the scope between my ar15 and ar10. A write down all of my adjustments when moving or and it returns to zero. Ar15 I come left 12.5 moa and down 3.25 moa for a 100 yd zero, I reverse it going back to the 308

I'm using a vortex viper PST ffp In moa 4-16
 
Update: I ended up ordering three mounts from ADM including the following:

AD-RECON-SL (30mm)
AD-RECON-20 (30mm)
AD-RECON-20 (30mm)

I received the mounts yesterday and managed to get the Vortex PST 4-16x50mm Front Focal on the POF P308 using the AD-RECON-SL mount which is their lowest ring height model. It's designed for bolt action rifles but my POF has an integral rail/forend that adds 1/2" to the top of the receiver so it works very well on that rifle. After mounting the scope and resetting zero (down 5.9 mils) I ran the vertical adjusment through its entire range a number of times. I now have +14.9 mils vertical from a 100 yard zero. Overall I'm very pleased with the mounts. The cam system is an interesting variation on a theme and I really like the double square cross section recoil lugs and large throw levers with a clever locking system. Here are some photos of the mount and scope on my POF.

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