Zimbabwe has total gun control, right?

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/frontpage/story/0,,2119003,00.html

Panic buying swept through the streets of Zimbabwe yesterday, as stores ran out of basic goods and shopkeepers complained that they were selling goods at a loss after the government ordered prices to be halved in a last-ditch effort to tackle hyper-inflation.

Shoppers desperate to restock in a country ravaged by shortages cleared out supermarkets in the capital, Harare, and Bulawayo, where shelves were bare of essential items such as maize meal, cooking oil, sugar, milk, soap, bread, chicken, beef and other items.
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"I am selling goods at less than what I paid for them. I am selling bread at less than what it costs to bake it," a distraught Harare shopowner said, pleading for anonymity so as to avoid government retribution. "I am following the government's orders. Army soldiers came here this morning to check prices. Mugabe has threatened to seize any business that does not do what he says. I don't know how long this can continue."

Inflation is currently estimated at 10,000% and rising. Armed soldiers and the youth militia are patrolling shops and open-air markets to enforce President Robert Mugabe's price controls. More than 200 retailers have been charged with crimes of charging more than the official prices, police confirmed yesterday.
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"Whatever money we have, we are using it to buy goods," said John Katsvete, a Harare engineer. "The shops are very busy. People are buying but it is not a happy atmosphere. They are buying out of panic."

The government ordered that cement must sell at Z$150,000, 10 times lower than the Z$1.5m it sold for last week. Mr Mugabe's youth brigade - known as the Green Bombers for the colour of their paramilitary uniforms and the chaos they stir up - stormed a building supply store and found the owner was storing 1,000 bags of cement in the back, reported the state-controlled Herald newspaper yesterday. The youth militia forced him to put it on sale immediately.

The price cuts were announced last week after Mr Mugabe gave a vitriolic speech in which he threatened to take over any business or mine that does not adhere to his policies.

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Vice-president Joseph Msika vowed that price controls would be enhanced. "If anything, government wants to see prices further reduce," he said, acting as president while Mr Mugabe was in Accra, Ghana, for the African Union summit.

"Those found on the wrong side of the law will be punished severely," Mr Msika told state radio. "We will take their businesses, we will take their licences. They have raised prices to a level the people cannot afford so they must die in agony with hunger."

Elliot Manyika, head of a government taskforce on prices, accused businesses of deliberately fuelling inflation as a strategy to topple the Mugabe government.

"The campaign is political and our detractors through business and industry have been trying to bring down the government the Yugoslavia way. We have a real war - we will overcome them," Mr Manyika told the Herald yesterday.

He said all state-owned enterprises, including Air Zimbabwe, the national railways, the electricity supply utility and the telephone company, have been ordered to cut fares and charges. A long defunct state trading company is being revived to take over businesses that collapse or are seized if they are found to be "delinquent" in their manufacturing or retailing operations.
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Mr Mugabe's chaotic and violent seizures of white-owned farms provoked a collapse of the agricultural sector that has left poor black farmers even worse off than before, according to agricultural experts. The UN estimates that one-third of Zimbabwe's 12 million people will need food aid over the next year.

Ah, but it's the independent small shopkeepers who are the problem this time. :rolleyes:
I guess their answer is "Mr Mugabe, here are the keys to my store --it's yours now"?

Wouldn't most countries have developed an armed resistance movement to
such a tyrant by now? I really don't know much about Z's internal politics
or laws (especially gun laws), but it seems that the only thing holding Z together
right now is a tyrannical regime that has a total monopoly on arms and force.
 
Inflation is currently estimated at 10,000% and rising.

A sixth grade education could have told Mugabe that was going to happen. I wonder if he feels stupid for taking the farms away from the whites. The only people that knew how to farm, and the staple of his economy, were forcefully removed. What a dip$###!
 
Trueblue, I think Mugabe did this on purpose and not out of stupidty. It
would seem similar to the collectivization that Stalin did to the farms in
the early Soviet Union.....they had total gun control there.
 
Trueblue, I think Mugabe did this on purpose and not out of stupidty.

He thought bushmen knew how to farm or he wanted to dive inflation? Every time I hear that mans name it makes me want to buy an attack helicopter. What he did to the farmers was unforgivable (and incredibly stupid). He tried to paint the farmers as holdouts from the Apartheid era, that is ridiculous.
 
If there was any country

who needed access to guns, Zimbabwe is the one.

And Isn't it the dems in this country who want total government control of everything here?
 
Good thread. Thanks for the alert. Let me start by saying that this thread could reasonably be put here if you want your focus to be legal, but the legal I see being discussed is a price of fods etc. Inflation. Earlier, there was a thread started in Strategies and Tactics. Here is the thread. :

http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=287090&highlight=50,000

I think it should be in Startegies and tactics. Stock up on some supplies, not mere firearms and ammo. You can't eat them. To me, is seems a prudent strategy to prepare one's self for this very possibility. If you read my post to this thread that got closed (see above), you will see it fits very nicely to what is described herein. If someone did as I proposed in the other thread, one would have nothing to fear other than being killed for having stocked up on your supplied.

JMHO
 
I would like to point out (again) that the UN has put Zimbabwe in charge of their economic development council.

Now while this may seem ironic to most people I think we can see the future the UN has in mind....
 
Zimbabwe has total gun control, right?

At that inflation rate it's safe to say Mugabe has NO control, of any type. That country is ripe for the picking, anybody want to buy a country?
 
My father went to Zimbabwe last year hunting. He had every round fired or not inventoried coming into and leaving the country. He also almost had his rifle seized by local officials ( he had to bribe them to not seize it) The whole place is rife with corruption. The stories he told were amazing.
 
There are not really any gun laws. They don't need gun laws... anymore.

http://www.zwnews.com/issuefull.cfm?ArticleID=12207

The news report begins:
"Zimbabwe police have ordered all civilians to surrender firearms in what insiders said was a precautionary measure in a charged country after the government demolished thousands of homes and informal businesses in a controversial urban clean-up exercise.

"Police at the weekend said they were revoking licences for all automatic rifles and some types of pistols and said civilians owning such weapons had until today to surrender them.

"The law enforcement agency did not give reasons for the action but warned Zimbabweans that they could be prosecuted for failing to hand in their guns."


You have to understand the program whereby all the property was stolen by Mugabe and given to his flunkies was shall we say... disappointing to some. Now that they have the lowest standard of living in the world and the shortest life span they don't have anything to lose.
 
T6, thanks for the link. Very relevant here:

A statement issued by the police read in part: "Police would like to advise members of the public that firearm licences of the following self-loading weapon: G3, FN 7.62mm rifles and scorpion pistols have since been revoked in terms of Sub-Section 7 of Section 6 of the Firearms Act (Chapter) 10: 09) . . . possession of the above-listed firearms is now unlawful."
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This is not the first time that the government has cancelled firearm licences. At the peak of its chaotic and often violent farm seizure programme in 2000, the government issued a decree compelling civilians to surrender their guns. The move was targeted at white commercial farmers who at that time held a number of assault guns for self-protection.

Question: weren't most FALs in African armories the semi-auto versions to
begin with?

Regardless the color, it seems that one day full-automatic weapons were legal,
then they weren't. Time passes and then semi-auto weapon that were legal,
no longer are.

It just depended on Mugabe's mood when he issued an Executive Order.

BTW, here are some other gun-related snippets on Z-land:

Police who raided MDC offices say they found evidence to implicate several suspects in allegations of weapons possession, state-controlled media reported Sunday. Some were expected to appear in court this week, said the report.

The opposition party dismissed the claims as typical state media propaganda and "absolute rubbish."

No weapons were found in two days of police searches at three main opposition offices in which membership lists, chequebooks, financial records and computer data were illegally seized, opposition spokesman Learnmore Jongwe said.

Wow....let me guess, this kind of harrassment is usual business there.
Oh, yes, apparently it is:

Army digs up ex-MP’s farm in search of weapons of war

Chimanimani - Zimbabwe army soldiers and the police have for the last three days scoured jailed popular opposition member, Roy Bennett’s farm, digging up large swathes of land in search of arms of war they claim are hidden on the farm, Zim Online has learnt. The security forces have already arrested one of Bennett’s workers, Rueben Mangiza, who is employed as a security guard and are believed to be planning to arrest more workers at the farm, known as Charleswood Estate, over the suspected weapons cache. An operations manager at the farm, James Mukwanyayi, yesterday told ZimOnline that the security forces have since Monday used heavy duty earth moving equipment to excavate large areas on the farm saying they had information that there were weapons cached at the farm. He said: "They are looking for arms of war at Charleswood but there is nothing there . . . the excavations have been going on for the past three days and they are using graders and caterpillars. Both members of the police and the army are doing the excavation.”
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White and popular among both black and white Zimbabweans, Bennett is a former opposition Movement for Democratic Change (MDC) party Member of Parliament for Chimanimani constituency under which his Charleswood Estate falls. He was jailed last year after ruling Zanu PF party parliamentarians used their majority in the House to vote for his imprisonment for shoving down Justice Minister Patrick Chinamasa during debate. Bennett was unable to contest last month’s parliamentary election and his wife who stood in his place lost to Zanu PF’s Samuel Undenge. Chimanimani is among 16 constituencies whose results the MDC is challenging in court in what the opposition party says is an exercise to demonstrate how Mugabe and Zanu PF stole the March 31 ballot. The government has in the last three years ignored several High Court orders not to expropriate Charleswood under its chaotic land reforms instead sending the army and its violent youth militia to occupy the farm on several occasions in a bid to displace Bennett. Mugabe last year openly called on Zanu PF supporters in Chimanimani to seize Charleswood, which is one of the most successful agro-firms in the country.

Holy frack....
 
Ok, I've seen enough.....

http://www.zwnews.com/issuefull.cfm?ArticleID=11982

Mon 30-May-2005

Mutare - Residents in Zimbabwe’s eastern Mutare city - driven to desperation after their informal businesses were destroyed by the government – pleaded for weapons at the weekend to wage war against the government because they were just “fed up.” Several hundreds of residents, who attended a meeting held at Sakubva Beit Hall in the working class suburb of Sakubva in the city, told local Member of Parliament, Innocent Gonese, to source guns for them to fight the government. Even the presence of the police at the meeting did not deter the irate residents with several standing up to openly declare they would rather die trying to “remove President Robert Mugabe from power” because they had nothing to live for after their only source of livelihood was destroyed in the ongoing controversial campaign by the government to clean up cities. “We want you to provide us with guns because we are fed up,” a middle aged man rose from the crowd to declare boldly. With the angry crowd urging him on, the man continued: “This government has no respect for the people. Our houses have been destroyed, our businesses have also gone. We have nothing to live for. We are prepared to die removing Mugabe. We don’t want to hear all this talk of going to court (to sue for compensation from the state).”

Gonese, a lawyer and a senior member of the main opposition Movement for Democratic Change (MDC) party, had trouble trying to calm down the residents who wanted him to say whether his party was prepared to lead an armed resistance against the government. “Going to the bush (to wage a guerrilla war against Mugabe) is not the solution,” the legislator tried to explain. “Of course we have a wicked government but we should seek legal recourse. That is the best solution,” he said. More than 18 000 people have been arrested and goods worth several hundreds of millions of dollars destroyed in a crackdown against informal traders and homeless people that began in Harare two weeks ago and has now been widened to include other cities and towns. The government says the campaign is meant to rid cities of filthy and crime particularly the illegal black market which it says was thriving among informal traders. But MDC leader Morgan Tsvangirai accuses Mugabe of unleashing the police against residents in urban centres, all of them strongholds of the opposition, to punish voters there for backing the MDC in last March’s disputed general election. The opposition leader has also accused Mugabe of wanting to provoke spontaneous and violent reactions by residents so he could find a pretext to declare a State of Emergency and rule by decree.

Seems like people there have been putting up with a lot for a while now.....
 
Before we go bashing the people of Zimbabwe I would like to point at that 20 years ago they were the largest food exporter in Africa. They have literacy rate comparable to the US. This change was all brought about one highly educated and intelligent man (Mugabe) backed by foreign (North Korean ) troops.

Bring enough social economics to the table and this is the kind of hell that gets created.
 
Before we go bashing the people of Zimbabwe I would like to point at that 20 years ago they were the largest food exporter in Africa. They have literacy rate comparable to the US.

Well, I'm sure it could never happen here.;)
 
I would like to point out (again) that the UN has put Zimbabwe in charge of their economic development council.

Thanks, Titan6, for adding some hilarity to this US-taxpayer atrocity.

The US taxpayer funded every step of Mugabe's reign, from the beginning (along with that of every other dictator since WWII, including Pol Pot). Every death there is on our hands.
 
I saw a couple of ''animal'' references to Mugabe. He is very intelligent and well educated little communist/ facist. 20 years ago he sounded a lot like several of the people running for the US Presidency next year.

I guess what I am trying to say is don't assume it can't happen here...
 
Don't go gettin all tinfoily hat on us now Titan.:neener:


I could and do see it happening to us here on a daily basis.
 
communist/ facist

Anywhere else in the world the combination would be impossible, but in bizzaro world (Africa) anything is possible.

I will disagree with the statement that Mugabe is intelligent though. He has destroyed his economy and his people hate him.
 
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