Zimmerman/Martin shooting
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That would be a good defense, yes. It sure does not explain why the kid was yelling for help, if he was, if it was the kid's voice. If it was Zimmerman's voice, then it would explain it. A lot of focus of this trial will need to be expert analysis of whose voice is heard on the "9-1-1 tapes." We don't know whose it was right now. Dead men tell no tales. The forensic evidence must speak for them.
Fred Fuller
Moderator Emeritus
Since the temptation to speculate, or to advance opinions not supported by available facts, seems to be irresistible to some members, we're going to give this one another vacation until there is more reliable material to bring to the table.
That may take a while...
In the meantime, if you see something factual that has bearing on the ST&T lessons we can take away from this incident, please PM a moderator here with the link so it can be added to the thread.
That may take a while...
In the meantime, if you see something factual that has bearing on the ST&T lessons we can take away from this incident, please PM a moderator here with the link so it can be added to the thread.
Zimmerman judge is recused
http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/18/justice/florida-teen-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
I believe defense attorney O'Mara used the recusal opportunity (tactic) to avoid having to try the case before a judge who has limited experience with criminal cases. I suppose this stategy worked.
Apparently, the judge was originally assigned this high profile case at random.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/18/justice/florida-teen-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
I believe defense attorney O'Mara used the recusal opportunity (tactic) to avoid having to try the case before a judge who has limited experience with criminal cases. I suppose this stategy worked.
Apparently, the judge was originally assigned this high profile case at random.
Fred Fuller
Moderator Emeritus
Zimmerman out on bail
Bond Hearing - Zimmerman says he's sorry for shooting Martin:
http://news.yahoo.com/zimmerman-says-sorry-trayvon-martins-death-150227466.html
Zimmerman says sorry for Trayvon Martin's death
By CURT ANDERSON and MIKE SCHNEIDER | Associated Press – 15 mins ago
Drudge is reporting bail was granted - http://drudgereport.com/
No details at this time, will update
Update - http://southflorida.sun-sentinel.com/news/os-george-zimmerman-bond-hearing-20120420,0,4802623.story
George Zimmerman granted $150K bond, apologizes to Trayvon Martin's family
Zimmerman faces second-degree murder charge in 17-year-old Trayvon Martin's death.
Zimmerman head injury photo released (not for the squeamish):
http://abcnews.go.com/images/US/ht_george_zimmerman_head_dm_120419_wmain.jpg
Bond Hearing - Zimmerman says he's sorry for shooting Martin:
http://news.yahoo.com/zimmerman-says-sorry-trayvon-martins-death-150227466.html
Zimmerman says sorry for Trayvon Martin's death
By CURT ANDERSON and MIKE SCHNEIDER | Associated Press – 15 mins ago
Drudge is reporting bail was granted - http://drudgereport.com/
No details at this time, will update
Update - http://southflorida.sun-sentinel.com/news/os-george-zimmerman-bond-hearing-20120420,0,4802623.story
George Zimmerman granted $150K bond, apologizes to Trayvon Martin's family
Zimmerman faces second-degree murder charge in 17-year-old Trayvon Martin's death.
Zimmerman head injury photo released (not for the squeamish):
http://abcnews.go.com/images/US/ht_george_zimmerman_head_dm_120419_wmain.jpg
Fred Fuller
Moderator Emeritus
One more reality lesson here - bail. The 10% that was posted initially is not refunded - it's a fee. For a $150,000 bail bond, the fee is $15,000, and the rest has to be secured with something - real estate, or whatever. Bail is not fun. Bail is expensive. Go looking for someone to bail you out, and you will really find out who your friends are.
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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/04/2...orida-jail-on-150000-bond/print#ixzz1ssIeZj3d
George Zimmerman released from Florida jail on $150,000 bond
Published April 23, 2012
| Associated Press
George Zimmerman was released around midnight Sunday from a Florida county jail on $150,000 bail as he awaits his second-degree murder trial for fatally shooting Trayvon Martin.
The neighborhood watch volunteer was wearing a brown jacket and blue jeans and carrying a paper bag. He walked out following another man and didn't look over at photographers gathered outside. He then followed the man into a white BMW vehicle and drove away.
Moments before, two Seminole County sheriff's vehicles blocked access to the intake building parking lot where Zimmerman was being released. Zimmerman emerged after two public information officers confirmed the credentials of the photographers outside.
No questions were shouted at Zimmerman, and he gave no statement.
His ultimate destination is being kept secret for his safety and it could be outside Florida.
Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester said at a hearing Friday he cannot have any guns and must observe a 7 p.m.-to-6 a.m. curfew. Zimmerman also surrendered his passport.
Zimmerman had to put up 10 percent, or $15,000, to make bail. His father had indicated he might take out a second mortgage.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/04/2...orida-jail-on-150000-bond/print#ixzz1sshV0my7
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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/04/2...orida-jail-on-150000-bond/print#ixzz1ssIeZj3d
George Zimmerman released from Florida jail on $150,000 bond
Published April 23, 2012
| Associated Press
George Zimmerman was released around midnight Sunday from a Florida county jail on $150,000 bail as he awaits his second-degree murder trial for fatally shooting Trayvon Martin.
The neighborhood watch volunteer was wearing a brown jacket and blue jeans and carrying a paper bag. He walked out following another man and didn't look over at photographers gathered outside. He then followed the man into a white BMW vehicle and drove away.
Moments before, two Seminole County sheriff's vehicles blocked access to the intake building parking lot where Zimmerman was being released. Zimmerman emerged after two public information officers confirmed the credentials of the photographers outside.
No questions were shouted at Zimmerman, and he gave no statement.
His ultimate destination is being kept secret for his safety and it could be outside Florida.
Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester said at a hearing Friday he cannot have any guns and must observe a 7 p.m.-to-6 a.m. curfew. Zimmerman also surrendered his passport.
Zimmerman had to put up 10 percent, or $15,000, to make bail. His father had indicated he might take out a second mortgage.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/04/2...orida-jail-on-150000-bond/print#ixzz1sshV0my7
Fred Fuller
Moderator Emeritus
Reuters does a background investigation on Zimmerman - and discovers "He was raised in a racially integrated household and himself has black roots through an Afro-Peruvian great-grandfather"... and other things as well.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012...feedName=everything&virtualBrandChannel=11563
George Zimmerman: Prelude to a shooting
By Chris Francescani
SANFORD, Florida | Wed Apr 25, 2012 5:20pm EDT
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012...feedName=everything&virtualBrandChannel=11563
George Zimmerman: Prelude to a shooting
By Chris Francescani
SANFORD, Florida | Wed Apr 25, 2012 5:20pm EDT
Fred Fuller
Moderator Emeritus
At $400/hour, Zimmerman legal costs "could reach $1 million" - O'Mara
http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/27/justice/florida-zimmerman-money/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
Martin attorney: Zimmerman misled court about money
By the CNN Wire Staff
updated 7:18 AM EDT, Fri April 27, 2012
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Zimmerman'a attorney sets up website
http://www.gzlegalcase.com/
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Judge: Zimmerman to remain free on bond despite donated funds
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/04/27/2770968/zimmerman-attorney-to-tell-judge.html
Judge: Zimmerman to remain free on bond
The judge said he did not want to make a “snap decision” about raising the $150,000 bond he set last week. Zimmerman’s lawyer told the court a website Zimmerman set up had collected more than $200,000 in donations.
BY FRANCES ROBLES
[email protected]
http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/27/justice/florida-zimmerman-money/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
Martin attorney: Zimmerman misled court about money
By the CNN Wire Staff
updated 7:18 AM EDT, Fri April 27, 2012
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Zimmerman'a attorney sets up website
http://www.gzlegalcase.com/
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Judge: Zimmerman to remain free on bond despite donated funds
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/04/27/2770968/zimmerman-attorney-to-tell-judge.html
Judge: Zimmerman to remain free on bond
The judge said he did not want to make a “snap decision” about raising the $150,000 bond he set last week. Zimmerman’s lawyer told the court a website Zimmerman set up had collected more than $200,000 in donations.
BY FRANCES ROBLES
[email protected]
Fred Fuller
Moderator Emeritus
Social media battle precedes court battle -
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/05/01/2778234/myspace-page-is-latest-salvo-in.html
Posted on Tuesday, 05.01.12
Myspace page is latest salvo in Zimmerman social-media battle
George Zimmerman had a Myspace page where he made cracks about Mexicans, though he posted pictures of an ethnically diverse group of friends.
BY FRANCES ROBLES
[email protected]
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/05/01/2778234/myspace-page-is-latest-salvo-in.html
Posted on Tuesday, 05.01.12
Myspace page is latest salvo in Zimmerman social-media battle
George Zimmerman had a Myspace page where he made cracks about Mexicans, though he posted pictures of an ethnically diverse group of friends.
BY FRANCES ROBLES
[email protected]
Some new information has been made public on the injuries sustained by Trayvon Martin and by George Zimmerman in the fatal encounter in Florida. It is now reported that Zimmerman suffered a broken nose; that Martin's knuckles showed evidence of abrasion; and that the fatal shot was fired at close range. The Martin autopsy report also mentions the presence of trace amounts of drugs, not necessarily ingested on the day of the shooting.
This information has been discussed in numerous opinion pages and editorial columns, with the usual slant, depending upon the source.
While it may be tempting to conclude that the few new facts that have become available are consistent with whatever one already believes to have happened, it is clear there are still too many gaps in the evidence that has been made public to support any definitive conclusions. What actually occurred prior to the altercation is of the utmost importance, and at this time, there is only fragmentary evidence and speculation about that.
For this reason, the staff have concluded that the new information does not warrant reopening discussion at this time.
In all likelihood, what happened, and whetheer or not the shooting was justified, will remain unclear at least until the case has been tried, and that may not happen for a long time.
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http://www.slate.com/articles/news_..._life_how_deadly_is_an_unarmed_teenager_.html
Punched to Death
How easy is it to kill a man with your bare hands?
By Brian Palmer|Posted Friday, May 18, 2012, at 7:02 PM ET
A lab report released Thursday showed that Trayvon Martin was shot from close range, probably with the gun pressed against his chest. The new information may bolster George Zimmerman's argument that the two men were locked in combat, and Zimmerman shot the unarmed teenager to protect his own life. How easy is it to kill a man in a fistfight?
It happens more than twice a day, on average. Fists and feet were responsible for 745 murders in 2010, or 5.7 percent of all murders that year, according to FBI statistics. (The data on this have been remarkably stable in recent years. In the five preceding years, the percentage of murders perpetrated by fists or feet fluctuated between 5.6 and 6.1.) It doesn’t even take an experienced brawler to punch someone to death: An 11-year-old California girl appears to have killed a classmate with her bare hands in a February fistfight.
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See full article at link above...
This information has been discussed in numerous opinion pages and editorial columns, with the usual slant, depending upon the source.
While it may be tempting to conclude that the few new facts that have become available are consistent with whatever one already believes to have happened, it is clear there are still too many gaps in the evidence that has been made public to support any definitive conclusions. What actually occurred prior to the altercation is of the utmost importance, and at this time, there is only fragmentary evidence and speculation about that.
For this reason, the staff have concluded that the new information does not warrant reopening discussion at this time.
In all likelihood, what happened, and whetheer or not the shooting was justified, will remain unclear at least until the case has been tried, and that may not happen for a long time.
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http://www.slate.com/articles/news_..._life_how_deadly_is_an_unarmed_teenager_.html
Punched to Death
How easy is it to kill a man with your bare hands?
By Brian Palmer|Posted Friday, May 18, 2012, at 7:02 PM ET
A lab report released Thursday showed that Trayvon Martin was shot from close range, probably with the gun pressed against his chest. The new information may bolster George Zimmerman's argument that the two men were locked in combat, and Zimmerman shot the unarmed teenager to protect his own life. How easy is it to kill a man in a fistfight?
It happens more than twice a day, on average. Fists and feet were responsible for 745 murders in 2010, or 5.7 percent of all murders that year, according to FBI statistics. (The data on this have been remarkably stable in recent years. In the five preceding years, the percentage of murders perpetrated by fists or feet fluctuated between 5.6 and 6.1.) It doesn’t even take an experienced brawler to punch someone to death: An 11-year-old California girl appears to have killed a classmate with her bare hands in a February fistfight.
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See full article at link above...
Fred Fuller
Moderator Emeritus
Zimmerman bond revoked
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/St...bond/-/1637132/14427188/-/m6p8sy/-/index.html
Judge revokes George Zimmerman's bond
State says Zimmerman wasn't truthful about finances at bail hearing
Published On: Jun 01 2012 01:52:02 PM EDT Updated On: Jun 01 2012 03:50:17 PM EDT
SANFORD, Fla. - The judge has revoked the bond of George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watchman charged with shooting and killing 17-year-old Trayvon Martin.
Zimmerman must report to Seminole County jail by Sunday at 2:30 p.m.
The state filed the motion on Friday just before a hearing in Sanford discussing the release of more evidence in the case against Zimmerman.
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Motion to revoke Zimmerman's bond
Zimmerman evidence hearing transcript
Prosecutors say Zimmerman misled the court on his finances during a bail hearing that allowed his release on $150,000 bond. Zimmerman's attorney said several days later that he had discovered his client had raised more than $200,000 from a website with $135,000 available. That money wasn't disclosed at the bond hearing.
Judge Kenneth Lester heard the argument at the evidence hearing because he said the matter was "very serious."
State prosecutors said on Friday Zimmerman's wife, Shelley, knew about the PayPal money from his website and lied at the bond hearing when she said she didn't know of it.
O'Mara commented on the state calling Zimmerman and his wife liars by saying, "I understand the states position on it. I don’t agree with it. That’s what adversaries do."
State prosecutors said Zimmerman also had another passport he didn't disclose to the court.
"The defendant lied to this court," said state prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda. O'Mara defended Zimmerman, saying he didn't deceive the court about his passport.
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http://www.clickorlando.com/news/St...bond/-/1637132/14427188/-/m6p8sy/-/index.html
Judge revokes George Zimmerman's bond
State says Zimmerman wasn't truthful about finances at bail hearing
Published On: Jun 01 2012 01:52:02 PM EDT Updated On: Jun 01 2012 03:50:17 PM EDT
SANFORD, Fla. - The judge has revoked the bond of George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watchman charged with shooting and killing 17-year-old Trayvon Martin.
Zimmerman must report to Seminole County jail by Sunday at 2:30 p.m.
The state filed the motion on Friday just before a hearing in Sanford discussing the release of more evidence in the case against Zimmerman.
Quick Clicks
Motion to revoke Zimmerman's bond
Zimmerman evidence hearing transcript
Prosecutors say Zimmerman misled the court on his finances during a bail hearing that allowed his release on $150,000 bond. Zimmerman's attorney said several days later that he had discovered his client had raised more than $200,000 from a website with $135,000 available. That money wasn't disclosed at the bond hearing.
Judge Kenneth Lester heard the argument at the evidence hearing because he said the matter was "very serious."
State prosecutors said on Friday Zimmerman's wife, Shelley, knew about the PayPal money from his website and lied at the bond hearing when she said she didn't know of it.
O'Mara commented on the state calling Zimmerman and his wife liars by saying, "I understand the states position on it. I don’t agree with it. That’s what adversaries do."
State prosecutors said Zimmerman also had another passport he didn't disclose to the court.
"The defendant lied to this court," said state prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda. O'Mara defended Zimmerman, saying he didn't deceive the court about his passport.
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CoRoMo
Member
Video - George Zimmerman's Reenactment of Trayvon Martin Shooting
I thought that this should be added to the Zimmerman sticky.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zim...artin-shooting/story?id=16616864#.T-MTYLjDVoY
Or the mods can decide if the video content has discussion value.
[Mod: Noted and Merged.]
I thought that this should be added to the Zimmerman sticky.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zim...artin-shooting/story?id=16616864#.T-MTYLjDVoY
Or the mods can decide if the video content has discussion value.
[Mod: Noted and Merged.]
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Fred Fuller
Moderator Emeritus
From Post # 328, re. the status of discussion on the Zimmerman case at THR:
Since the temptation to speculate, or to advance opinions not supported by available facts, seems to be irresistible to some members, we're going to give this one another vacation until there is more reliable material to bring to the table.
That may take a while...
In the meantime, if you see something factual that has bearing on the ST&T lessons we can take away from this incident, please PM a moderator here with the link so it can be added to the thread.
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Since the temptation to speculate, or to advance opinions not supported by available facts, seems to be irresistible to some members, we're going to give this one another vacation until there is more reliable material to bring to the table.
That may take a while...
In the meantime, if you see something factual that has bearing on the ST&T lessons we can take away from this incident, please PM a moderator here with the link so it can be added to the thread.
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Fred Fuller
Moderator Emeritus
http://www.wjla.com/articles/2012/0...on-martin-shooting-documents-state-77322.html
George Zimmerman told truth about Trayvon Martin shooting, documents state
June 26, 2012
The neighborhood watch volunteer accused of killing unarmed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin passed a lie detector test, according to newly released documents.
George Zimmerman “told substantially the complete truth” when asked about the fatal shooting of Martin, according to the conclusion of a Voice Stress Analysis test conducted after the shooting.
Zimmerman, who is facing a second-degree murder charge for killing Martin, was asked several questions. They include, “Did you confront the guy you shot?” Zimmerman answered “no.”
He was also asked, “Where you in fear for your life, when you shot this guy?” Zimmerman answered, “yes.”
See the results and questions below.
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tepin
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Zimmerman thread
Thought this URL might be considered for the Zimmerman thread.... thanks
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2012/6/24/122557/873
George Zimmerman : Witness Support and Legal Recap
By Jeralyn, Section Crime in the News
Posted on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 11:25:57 AM EST
Tags: George Zimmerman, Trayvon Martin (all tags)
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I've made a new category called "Reference Docs" for the George Zimmerman case. It is for handy access to things like the witness interviews and case photos and maybe some legal documents. I'll be adding to it over the next few days.
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"Detached reflection cannot be demanded in the presence of an uplifted knife." by Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr. in Brown v. United States, 256 U.S. 335, 343 (16 May 1921).
George Zimmerman told truth about Trayvon Martin shooting, documents state
June 26, 2012
The neighborhood watch volunteer accused of killing unarmed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin passed a lie detector test, according to newly released documents.
George Zimmerman “told substantially the complete truth” when asked about the fatal shooting of Martin, according to the conclusion of a Voice Stress Analysis test conducted after the shooting.
Zimmerman, who is facing a second-degree murder charge for killing Martin, was asked several questions. They include, “Did you confront the guy you shot?” Zimmerman answered “no.”
He was also asked, “Where you in fear for your life, when you shot this guy?” Zimmerman answered, “yes.”
See the results and questions below.
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Today, 04:17 PM
tepin
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Join Date: June 21, 2006
Location: MN
Posts: 327
Zimmerman thread
Thought this URL might be considered for the Zimmerman thread.... thanks
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2012/6/24/122557/873
George Zimmerman : Witness Support and Legal Recap
By Jeralyn, Section Crime in the News
Posted on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 11:25:57 AM EST
Tags: George Zimmerman, Trayvon Martin (all tags)
Share This: Digg!
I've made a new category called "Reference Docs" for the George Zimmerman case. It is for handy access to things like the witness interviews and case photos and maybe some legal documents. I'll be adding to it over the next few days.
__________________
"Detached reflection cannot be demanded in the presence of an uplifted knife." by Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr. in Brown v. United States, 256 U.S. 335, 343 (16 May 1921).
Fred Fuller
Moderator Emeritus
Updates...
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...urder-defendant-legal-defense-fund-new-felony
George Zimmerman released from jail after posting $1M bond
By Rene Stutzman, Orlando Sentinel
3:33 p.m. EST, July 6, 2012
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...or-angela-corey-chief-bill-lee-arrest-warrant
Sanford police took one position on Trayvon shooting in public, another in paperwork to prosecutors
By Rene Stutzman, Orlando Sentinel
8:30 p.m. EST, July 7, 2012
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...rge-zimmerman-special-prosecutor-angela-corey
George Zimmerman evidence, including FBI interviews, to be released Thursday
By Rene Stutzman, Orlando Sentinel
2:10 p.m. EST, July 11, 2012
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...merman-new-judge-neighborhood-watch-volunteer
George Zimmerman: I want a new judge
By Rene Stutzman and Jeff Weiner, Orlando Sentinel
6:07 p.m. EST, July 13, 2012
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...von-martin-george-zimmerman-shellie-zimmerman
'Witness 9' tells prosecutors Zimmerman molested her
By Rene Stutzman and Jeff Weiner, Orlando Sentinel
11:44 a.m. EST, July 16, 2012
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...urder-defendant-legal-defense-fund-new-felony
George Zimmerman released from jail after posting $1M bond
By Rene Stutzman, Orlando Sentinel
3:33 p.m. EST, July 6, 2012
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...or-angela-corey-chief-bill-lee-arrest-warrant
Sanford police took one position on Trayvon shooting in public, another in paperwork to prosecutors
By Rene Stutzman, Orlando Sentinel
8:30 p.m. EST, July 7, 2012
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...rge-zimmerman-special-prosecutor-angela-corey
George Zimmerman evidence, including FBI interviews, to be released Thursday
By Rene Stutzman, Orlando Sentinel
2:10 p.m. EST, July 11, 2012
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...merman-new-judge-neighborhood-watch-volunteer
George Zimmerman: I want a new judge
By Rene Stutzman and Jeff Weiner, Orlando Sentinel
6:07 p.m. EST, July 13, 2012
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...von-martin-george-zimmerman-shellie-zimmerman
'Witness 9' tells prosecutors Zimmerman molested her
By Rene Stutzman and Jeff Weiner, Orlando Sentinel
11:44 a.m. EST, July 16, 2012
Fred Fuller
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGB72I9B8Sc
Entire George Zimmerman Hannity Q & A. Major News: First Time Talking To The News!
Here is George Zimmerman's news Q & A on the Hannity Show, that was on Fox News on July 18, 2012.
Entire George Zimmerman Hannity Q & A. Major News: First Time Talking To The News!
Here is George Zimmerman's news Q & A on the Hannity Show, that was on Fox News on July 18, 2012.
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