155mm question

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You guys heard a while back about that avelanche control round into a back yard? It was 105 not 155, but still shocking having shrapnel fly inches above the head of your kid watching TV :what:

Incidently, who here knows why shrapnel is technically(if not for common usage making it so :p ) the wrong word there?
 
Shrapnel (named after Dr. Shrapnel of course) consists of little metal balls inside the casing of an exploding shell.

The term fragment applies to the common small bits of metal whizzing about at high velocity you are thinking about.

:neener:

Off topic, how is Missouri?
 
I heard the avalanche control guys are having a problem because the Army took their 105s back to use in Iraq. Don't know what they use for avalanche control now, although with global warming it's less of an issue these days.
 
Admittedly I was wrong about the Dr. part.

I thought 106 recoiless rifles were used for avalanche control?
 
No big thing about a title-its kind of funny in a way. Doctors who become surgeon generals still like to be called Dr for the most part.

I think some places might use recoilless rifles in avalanche control. The 106 sure has the range-about 8k yards worth, and unlike RPG's, they use a pre-rifled band on the warhead, so the round does not depend on fins for stabilization.
I did a little research, and the 106 is still listed in inventory as substitute standard.

Had a Marine Corps friend who was trained on the Ontos. 6-106mm's could really screw you up, but having seen a single 106 fired off a jeep, you better keep the motor running, because any concealment behind you is going to gone in the backblast!
 
just my .02 cents,

from being a cannon cocker for one year {in the nasty guard} (between stints as a huey crewchief)
1) the safety officer at each firing point is supposed to check the numbers cranked into the gun by the crew, prior to pulling the rope
2) the army uses RAP (rocket assisted rounds) to gain distance to their 155's
3) yes, people have fired outside the range limits lots of times. happened at camp roberts one year; impacted near a roadside park on hwy 101
4) last time I drove thru the training area at ft. hood, they had billboard sized signs warning of overhead fire from points outside the impact area (got whizzed then)
5) the noise inside a self propelled howitzer (when firing) is nothing compared to outside
6) if the forward observer does not see the round impact, he is supposed to call a cease fire. this happened to our battery once.
on our gun, we fired 3 round in 45 seconds one time (on a priority fire mission-hand rammed)
being a redleg for a year was a blast. but I missed my hot showers while in the field. :)
 
Actually, the avalanche control people use the m102, we would not allow them to use the m119 because we don't have enough for the active army.

We are building more m119s soon.
 
Thanks for that info, Paladin - makes sense that avalance control would use the (shorter-range) M102. For comparison, here are pictures: first the M102, then the M119.


m102.jpg



m119-4.jpg
 
I am not sure about this...but I was under the impression that sound waves caused avalanches?

Or am I under the "what you see on TV is the truth" sickness?


If that is the case, and you need an actual detonation...then why not use some sub-caliber munitions? We used them when we were doing OPFOR training in Hoenfels...but they were just blanks....we then started using some kind of wierd simulator that we mounted on top of the gun block.

Any gun-bunnies out there with the info? :D

Darrell
 
Red Bag

There are two type of 155mm powder charges.

Green Bag, and White Bag.

I believe red is a color on the powder bag.

And 155mm batteries fire much more than 12 rounds per day even in training.
 
These days in Iraq it seems it takes authorization from the President of the United States to fire anything over a 120mm mortar...even then your pressing it with the current ROE it seems :( But yeah they do have shifts... the ones that rattle the cages of most men are the illum rounds as they have the largest boom when leaving the tubes.... as far as actual round count for the shift I have never seen. They physically record the tube count for calibration, maintenence, and critical events summary reasons only.
 
Motion to award this thread

LOL

Sorry ... did not read the dates on this ... just responded :eek:D
 
"There are three types of charges, green bag, white bag and red bag. Green bag has five charges, white bag has seven and red bag has eight."

Our boys had exactly the same thing with their FH-70 155mm howitzers. Terrible things they were, made me, and everyone else except the crew, swear everytime they went off.
 
Never saw a red bag

I spent about 8 years as a Red Leg.

155mm SPs. 8 inch Sps

Never saw or heard of a red bag.

when I was first in all exercises ended in firing a Nuke with charge 7W?

On an 8 inch SP (M110) charge 7W was absolutely deafening. Can't even imagine a charge 9 Red bag.

Perhaps red is strictly in towed Howitzer units? Or perhaps it was introduced after I left the military?

Anyone actually use a red bag?
 
Red Bag

Fosbery.

Ok so apparently you did use this charge.

Like I said I can't imagine anything above a 7W.

I can understand why you would swear after firing anything like that.
 
MACS is also available for US 155mm. Not to go too far off topic, the President does not need to be woken up for 120s.
 
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