650XL primer seating depth
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Got the new small primer punch from Dillon today and no joy. Still will not seat a primer below flush unless I grease the index pawl and underside of shellplate to allow extra torque on shellplate bolt. 
Called them back and they had no other troubleshooting steps & said if I can't get it sorted out send the whole thing to them. Suggested I also try another shellplate & of course I only have one #3. Don't want to spend $41 if that doesn't solve the problem. Anyone have a 650 setup for .223 willing to test my shell plate? I can send it to you and see if it works on your press. If it seats primers just fine for you, that means something else is my issue. Or send me yours and I will test it on my machine to see if different shell plate works. Will send you $60 paypal if you send me yours - you can refund that to me when I return it
I did a big run of 9mm. Without greasing underside of shellplate, it seats primers fine. BUT I have to torque bolt way too much, requiring readjusting the index block, and very jerky snap into position. 4.8 gr W231 (almost exactly half full) flings out powder from 9mm - not as messy as .223 with H335, but still a decent bit to clean every 100 rds (1-6 specs of powder each case). Backing off the shellplate bolt ~1/8 turn would calm it down, but don't get good primer seating depth.
And no matter what, with the machine clean, it will not reliably seat SRM in .223 below flush unless I put a dab of grease on index pawl & light coat on entire underside of shellplate which allows me to put more torque on shellplate bolt - enough that it would lock up the press without the grease (where it's not supposed to be).
Oh, and I'm running all the stock parts, have tried the replacement index ball & spring from spare parts kit. I also tried the various upgrade kits like needle roller bearing, phenolic ball, reduced power spring, etc...Those only made things worse - grease or not. It will not function with any of those "upgrades" in either caliber. Shellplate bolt must be tightened to the point it will not index correctly with any of those parts installed. Unless I want flush & occasional proud primers.
My $15 light kit hack is still working fantastic so that's good. And I've loaded 7 x 30 cal can of .223 (~4200) and 3 x 30 cal can of 9mm (~3600) - so not like the thing is unusable...just not "right". The case feeder has been an absolute champ - requires cleaning from case lube build up occasionally, but its hiccups (that weren't self-inflicted like a .40 case mixed in with 9mm) are about 1/4 of 1% - about 20 hiccups in all that. In under 4 hrs total yesterday I did 1200 9mm. That was with taking a little snack break, a couple brief THR check-ins, take the dog out, quick cleaning of machine every 100 (lots of powder mess), etc. So not hard at it 4 hrs solid & manged 300/hr+ pace which included all prep work, primer filling, refilling consumables, etc.
So not real sure what to do. It is making ammo, my workaround seems like it works. Yeah, I have to clean up a lot of powder, but overall still much more efficient than my LCT. And I haven't switched over to large primer to see if issue remains with 308 & 45. My workaround might work forever....just concerned it is a symptom of something else wrong and continuing to use it might lead to a severe breakdown? Once I do a run of .45ACP I can afford the downtime to send it to Dillon - this will last a long time. Just seems like a hassle shipping it off and after today's call and "there's nothing else to do for it" not sure it would do any good. Or they say "it runs fine on WSR" which doesn't do me much good with 16k+ of various SRM it won't seat like it should.....
Called them back and they had no other troubleshooting steps & said if I can't get it sorted out send the whole thing to them. Suggested I also try another shellplate & of course I only have one #3. Don't want to spend $41 if that doesn't solve the problem. Anyone have a 650 setup for .223 willing to test my shell plate? I can send it to you and see if it works on your press. If it seats primers just fine for you, that means something else is my issue. Or send me yours and I will test it on my machine to see if different shell plate works. Will send you $60 paypal if you send me yours - you can refund that to me when I return it
I did a big run of 9mm. Without greasing underside of shellplate, it seats primers fine. BUT I have to torque bolt way too much, requiring readjusting the index block, and very jerky snap into position. 4.8 gr W231 (almost exactly half full) flings out powder from 9mm - not as messy as .223 with H335, but still a decent bit to clean every 100 rds (1-6 specs of powder each case). Backing off the shellplate bolt ~1/8 turn would calm it down, but don't get good primer seating depth.
And no matter what, with the machine clean, it will not reliably seat SRM in .223 below flush unless I put a dab of grease on index pawl & light coat on entire underside of shellplate which allows me to put more torque on shellplate bolt - enough that it would lock up the press without the grease (where it's not supposed to be).
Oh, and I'm running all the stock parts, have tried the replacement index ball & spring from spare parts kit. I also tried the various upgrade kits like needle roller bearing, phenolic ball, reduced power spring, etc...Those only made things worse - grease or not. It will not function with any of those "upgrades" in either caliber. Shellplate bolt must be tightened to the point it will not index correctly with any of those parts installed. Unless I want flush & occasional proud primers.
My $15 light kit hack is still working fantastic so that's good. And I've loaded 7 x 30 cal can of .223 (~4200) and 3 x 30 cal can of 9mm (~3600) - so not like the thing is unusable...just not "right". The case feeder has been an absolute champ - requires cleaning from case lube build up occasionally, but its hiccups (that weren't self-inflicted like a .40 case mixed in with 9mm) are about 1/4 of 1% - about 20 hiccups in all that. In under 4 hrs total yesterday I did 1200 9mm. That was with taking a little snack break, a couple brief THR check-ins, take the dog out, quick cleaning of machine every 100 (lots of powder mess), etc. So not hard at it 4 hrs solid & manged 300/hr+ pace which included all prep work, primer filling, refilling consumables, etc.
So not real sure what to do. It is making ammo, my workaround seems like it works. Yeah, I have to clean up a lot of powder, but overall still much more efficient than my LCT. And I haven't switched over to large primer to see if issue remains with 308 & 45. My workaround might work forever....just concerned it is a symptom of something else wrong and continuing to use it might lead to a severe breakdown? Once I do a run of .45ACP I can afford the downtime to send it to Dillon - this will last a long time. Just seems like a hassle shipping it off and after today's call and "there's nothing else to do for it" not sure it would do any good. Or they say "it runs fine on WSR" which doesn't do me much good with 16k+ of various SRM it won't seat like it should.....
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