7.62x25 Tokarev

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Sorry, you are wrong about 7.62 Tok sub gun ammo.
The Czechs produced the stuff.
I have seen it. Somewhere around here I have a box of the stuff.

BTW I reload Tok ammo using 7.63 Mauser dies.
There are very subtle differences in the case designs that really don't matter.
 
If you get a CZ52, heed the wisdom of Mooseman. DO NOT dry fire them. The firing pin will break.
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The as-ssued CZ52 firing pin is cast steel. The armorer's field kit for maintaining CZ-52s was allegedly mostly replacement firing pins (plus some of the spring clips that hold the grip halves together). Yes: the as-ssued CZ52 firing pins may break if you dry-fire. I think that point cannot be repeated often enuf.

There are replacement firing pins of forged machined steel that are more robust.

I shoot my CZ52 in the modern military pistol match at the local club, 30 rounds for score per match, 210 rounds per season (7 matches). If cushioned by a primer, the cast pins last. Since the slide locks open consistently on last shot, I never drop the hammer on an empty chamber and don't stress the firing pin. Even so, I jumped on a bargain on two spare firing pins and have them in reserve JIC.
 
Got a CZ52 with both barrels, shoot up a bunch of .30 Tok, pull slide, change in 9mm barrel, reassemble, fill same mag w/ 9mm and blast away. Note much less recoil with 9mm.. I checked the 9mm ammo box to make sure I wasn't shooting some kind of reduced recoil stuff...

Prefer my TTC, but it does eject brass off to never-never land. or maybe low earth orbit, frustrating to me as a reloader
 
I beg to differ, Onmilo. JohnnyC is a cartridge collector that specializes in 7.62X25. He belongs an international collectors Assn. I get my info from him. If there is such a thing as an expert on that caliber, he is it. No country ever loaded special "Hot loaded" 7.62X25 ammo marked for subguns only. Especially not the Czechs. Their ammo reportedly achieved higher velocity than the rest of the Warsaw Pact Countries, But it was not loaded to higher pressures. The Russians would not allow one of their satellite states to load ammo too powerful to use in other nation's guns.

The CZ52 is not a particularly strong action anyway, despite its fancy roller locking mechanism. Or so I have heard from the many posters on this forum that have damaged them simply by shooting them.

PM JonnyC, because if you do have a box of 7.62X25 that is clearly marked for submachine guns only, he will most certainly want to buy it from you, because it isn't supposed to exist.
 
I have a Polish Radom made Tok, arsenal refinished and around $220 if I recall. The barrel was excellent, as was the refinish. It is a blast to shoot.......I think PPU ammo claims something like 1700 or 1800 fps, but I may be wrong on that. I am a CZ fan with maybe 17 pistols and rifles, and my FFL buddy went with the CZ52 and me the Tok. I like em both but do prefer the Tok. Accurate, simple, cheap and cool. What is a Mak 9x19 doing in this thread? Nothing to do with the subject at hand. And they don't shoot at 1700fps, do they? Plus the OP has 3,000 rounds of 7.62x25. Pic of mine. If you get one from JG Sales or Aim Surplus do not bother paying for their "hand picked" fee to get a good one. These things are packed in bags of oil and I am fairly certain no one is going through the bags looking for nicer guns. They are literally soaked and it would not be possible to really see condition unless they were cleaned first.
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I have a cz and its a great fun gun and a piece of history. Useless for sd/hd in built up areas for the over penetration. 36 inches on SB ammo is mighty deep!

Guaranteed to give you elbow room at the range as people move away.

It would be a great round in a carbine for varmints or whatever. Lotta zip wasted on a pistol unless you are shooting at vehicles or something.
 
PabloJ said:
As I said if one has many pounds of inexpensive surplus ammo TT is good choice. For same money as Romanian TT I found this......

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The fit and finish is very good. On the inside even some small parts have three digits of serial number etched on them. This was surprising I did not expect to find that.
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Pablo, I agree that the Makarov is a more modern and useful design. It still sees lots of service in active duty Russian military and police. Heck, there are photos from just last year of Russian air force techs running around with them (with leather flap holsters) on one of their flight lines in Syria. The new MP-443 Grach pistol they adopted is expensive and adoption has been rather slow. That, and troops report that they really like the small and handy Makarov. It's a great pistol.

The TT, while fun and interesting guns (especially if you have 3K rounds of ammo lying around), are inferior. It's no real wonder why they got replaced by the PM (Makarov).
 
PabloJ, I bought a Romanian TTC while sitting on no ammo for it.

Why? Because I wanted one. So did fellow poster Cooldill. I don't think either of us was unwise for doing so.

(I'm not mentioning any guns in any other caliber because they're not what the OP asked about.)

I've said it before: There are two reasons I have for wanting a particular gun. One is that I don't already have one, and one would be cool. The other is that I do already have one, and another one would be cool.
 
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I had a Cz-52 and I really couldn't warm up to it. The ergonomics (for me, as this is of course subjective) were quite bad, the trigger was heavy and I found the sight to be lousy. As a result, I wasn't very good with it.
Mine was absolutely reliable though. I won't say they're bad, just certainly not for me.

I discovered the Yugoslavian M57 and loved it so much that I sold the Cz-52 to buy a second M57. Everything worked out quite well for me on this arrangement as the Cz-52 was drying up rapidly at this time and I actually sold the Cz-52 that I paid $125 a couple years prior for $400 to someone who really must have wanted one.
Polish 7.62x25 could still be had for under $100 for 1260 rounds and Yugo milsurp PPU was nearly as cheap. With the funds of that Cz-52, I purchased that second M57 and thousands of 7.62x25 with a few buck still left in the wallet.

It was one of the best "trades" I ever made.

I also like the Tokarev, but that M57 with the extended grip (due to the 9 round magazine) fits my hand better. Little things like the captured recoil spring assembly and the FAR superior manual safety than those slapped on most imported Tokarevs are nice as well. Tokarevs don't have the best sights either but I do shoot them so much better.
 
I'd also like to add that I do believe that the Yugoslavian M57 was designed and manufactured with that manual safety that looks and functions so well. It was not something installed to meet importation requirements like most the rest.

If one likes the location and function of the 1911's safety, they will appreciate what Zastava did with their M57.
 
I agree with those who want to go modern. Why use an old (1896) cartridge when you can use an up-to-date and modern 1902 cartridge?

Jim
 
MI2600 said:
If you're looking for a TT33 style, but want a 9mm, why not buy a Zastava 88A?
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Buying that gun or full size ZCZ 9x19 makes sense because unlike 7.62x25 the Luger is actually cheaper than .45ACP to shoot.
 
This is what my Chinese Tok looks like. I am guessing they are sturdy guns. Someone shot this one a whole lot of times before I bought it, and it still functions perfectly. The safety and I have agreed to ignore each other.

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Funny, ask a simple question on a thread and it spins right into the weeds:). I have no interest in a 9x19 or in a SD or HP gun. My interest was sparked watching a fellow a while back who had a M57 that he had replaced the sights on. I noticed he had an adjustable rear sight. He was shooting reloads in the pistol at 50 yards and it was pretty impressive. I wish I would have asked more questions about it at the time. But I thought it would be a great trail gun for coyotes and varmits. I have plenty of other handguns in many different calibers. I just find the bottleneck case intriguing and the fact that the Tok is a flat shooter. We all like what we like, some us like unusual cartidges just for what they are. Appreciated all the coments from everyone.
 
The standard Yugo, Romanian, or (Fill in Combloc country of your choosing) are pretty robust guns. They are accurate with modern ammo. The surplus ammo is OK, but it was mostly mass-produced in the 1950s with the expectation that it would be used in WWIII.

Do not dry fire any of these guns. The hammer falls hard and will crack the firing pin spring retaining pin. If that breaks, the firing pin mechanism will eject itself when you cock the hammer back.

I'd also like to add that I do believe that the Yugoslavian M57...
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It's the M57A.

http://www.zastava-arms.rs/en/civilianproduct/pistol-m57a

That is the model with the factory added PPK type safety.

There are m57 with ATF mandated safeties as well, but they are not true safeties (kind of like the "safety" on the Romanian pistols). They work in a manner that makes them function like a safety, but they really just deactivate the trigger and don't make the pistol drop-safe a la the m57A.
 
Tallball said:
This is what my Chinese Tok looks like. I am guessing they are sturdy guns. Someone shot this one a whole lot of times before I bought it, and it still functions perfectly. The safety and I have agreed to ignore each other.

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What you have there is number one selling 9mm handgun in slums of developing countries. It is very reliable with ball ammo easy even for novice to use and hit targets with. The going rate from new one is just over $100. In slums of Eastern Europe that function is fulfilled by $120 Russian military type Makarov. You know the kind people in USA pay $1000 or more for. Krazzzy world isn't it. One mans pile of iron ore is another mans pot of gold.
 
PS. My "slum lord" special from DDR I posted pics of above was $199 plus tax. Not a bad little knockabout defensive pistola.
 
The Tokarev has massive knock down punch and devastating wound capability.

But, the Russians actually found the 9x18mm Makarov ammunition to be just as effective.

See, the internet teaches you things every day!
 
I think that this Thread is an excellent example of just how annoying repeated, persistent OT comments can be.

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Skyshot, when I got my the first couple of Toks and my CZ-52s long ago, I also acquired a 9x19 barrel for each type.

After installing and firing the 9 in one of my CZs (Saturday, 12Oct02) I never did the same with the Tok barrel.

I just found 7,62x25 ammo too accurate and fun to bother with shooting 9mm in the pistols. :)

Maybe someday.
 
MedWheeler said:
Like staying on thread-topic in a discussion forum?
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Sick burn bruh! :D

No no, seriously. let's get back to Tokarevs.

I like my Romy. Shoots about like an M1911A1 but is smaller and lighter, makes a better packer for sure. The round penetrates a lot as well. Too bad it's not so cheap these days.
 
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