Another no-knock warrant and cover up

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what I have noticed is how bad BOTH sides of these sketchy cases are.

For example, the police get a raid warrant and wait forever to execute it, giving the suspect plenty of time to get rid of the drugs. They also did not turn any probable reasons for it after the case was made public, suggesting that someone pulled a lie. Then, the gag and cover-up, as well as the silencing of the neighbor make it very fishy as well.

However, the guy did have a 'broken gun', a police scanner, and the necessary trafficking materials for drugs, even though it was supposably his sister's. The guy's track record is also not very good, either. He may have been a felon, even though that wasnt outright reported from what it seems.

this sounds like the Chesapeake VA shooting case to me: police conduct a raid based on evidence that was probably produced under illegal circumstances (example: the VA case evidence was produced by PI breaking into the guy's house) in order to acquire the warrant on a guy who very well may (or may not) have been a criminal. Screwing up a raid isnt that bad when you compare it to constitutional violations.
 
Keep exploring truth from conjecture

The challenge when a story is not 'fully covered', by the media, is to determine what is the 'truth'. Of course, if you asked all members of the SWAT team, they would have each seen/experienced something different by the virtue of their different locations and focus. That does not make them wrong, just a different perspective.

What does seem clear is the treatment of Tracy Ingle after his release from the hospital seems inadequate and inhuman. He probably was not the most pleasant person to deal with, but he had been shot by the same organization that had him in custody. The number of bullet holes (19) in Ingle's body and his residence seems excessive. But, I am not an authority on how to properly shoot at a human in his bed or falling out of it.

The article does state that Ingle did not have a felony conviction, so he was within his right to own a firearm.

The warrant sure does look like it was modified from a generic suspicion of crack to suspicion of meth and issued weeks before - http://www.theagitator.com/tracywarrants.pdf

It would be interesting if a number of people inquired with the North Little Rock Chamber of Commerce and the local Realtors ( http://www.littlerockrealtorsassoc.com/ ) about their local police department's policies on using SWAT teams, in their research for consideration in moving to the thriving metropolis in Arkansas. Of course, if I was considering expanding my business, I would look long and hard at the realities of the Little Rock area. Especially, if I was not employing only white collar professionals, and was concerned about my staff of all economic strata. Economics wins often over ethics in our changing world.

Just for your information, the North Little Rock Chamber of Commerce is at
100 Main Street, North Little Rock, AR 72114
Phone: (501) 372-5959
Fax: (501) 372-5955
E-mail: [email protected]
http://www.nlrchamber.org/business/demographics.aspx
 
Scanner, gun, scales, baggies. Come on.
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I have all of the above, and more. Does that justify any search--we'll ignore the violent invasion for now, and just go with a peaceful search--of my home?

I'm both a reloader and a ham radio operator, BTW. I have them for perfectly legitimate purposes. Either that, or it's all a cover story. Think you can make a case for the warrant?

Think I can make an equally-strong case against you?

The problem here isn't the officers conducting the raid, it's the system allowing the abuse of liberty. We've adopted an attitude of "I don't need that, so you must be guilty," and that attitude begs the question of whether the "guilty" should even be a crime in the first place.

I suspect it's going to get a lot worse before it gets better, and your comment shows just how effective the government's propaganda war has been.
 
I think that some "social justice" lawyer type needs to get enough of these people who homes have been raided badly and their families of deceased and injured and push for a hearing in Congress in DC. That is what needs to be done. I am sick and tired of blotched home invasions. Scares me to death. As a law abiding citizen I should not have to worry about the police. It interferes with my pursuit of happiness.
 
Calling your congresscritter to pass legislation on this is barking up the wrong tree. No-knock warrants and SWAT deployment are a national epidemic, but the solution is a change in leadership at the local level.

Judgment on SWAT use and warrants is (and must be) a local one. This has to change district-by-district. Remember, Sheriff is an elected office.
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Agreed. I think the best way to get a change in the use of, or complete abolition of, no knock warrants is to put the pressure on locally. Local cheifs, sherrifs, and politicians will be easiest to reach, for one, and also, wil be the quickest to see those that put them in thier position are not happy with them. If enough people pressure the local govt/police, they will begin to fear for thier jobs, and are likely to change things to keep from getting recalled, are from not being re-elected or re-appointed (in the case of a police chief).

congressman wont really care much about 1000 people from little town, AK complaining, as that isnt enough people to vote them out, or stop thier re-election, when compared to the whole states population of 5 million. however, that same 1000 people, in a town or county of, say, 50,000 is a noticeable percentage, and will begin to put the fear of unemployment in them.Once the people in little town, AK get that city to change its loacal laws/policies, people then focus on the next town, or that county the town in in, and do the same, likely bringing in more supporters now that word has gotten out about the problem, and people see that they CAN get things change. some of the apathy that "why bother, the politicians will just ignore us" will start to fade. Once the next town or the county changes, you get more exposure to the issue, less apathy and more supporters willing to be heard, and it can start to snowball up from there, and as it doues, it will spread to other states too.


I got yer activism right here, Art! :neener:
 
The whole story seems a little lopsided, but I think criminals have enough practice lying that they can come up with some god stories. Scanner, gun, scales, baggies. Come on.
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Its great that they can create evidence out of nothing. Hopefully you nver have your home mistakenly raided- having a stove in your kitchen along with sandwich bags in a drawer is ample evidence to hold you in jail a few days because you are a 'meth cook.'
 
However, the guy did have ... the necessary trafficking materials for drugs, even though it was supposably his sister's.
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The scary thing is, so do you. So do I. So does every household in the United States that owns scales and plastic kitchen baggies.

The thing is, what they did NOT find is more telling. No drugs. No drug residue. No equipment for cooking meth. No chemicals to cook meth. In short, the house was absolutely clean, and the fact that they are trotting out a jewelry scale and a box of kitchen baggies as justification for the raid shows you just how clean that house was.

I wonder what the local media's take on this is, BTW.
 
The one significant thing that seems to be passed over in every one of these heated debates is the fact that each of us shouldn't be worried about a no-knock warrant unless YOU are doing something wrong.

The agencies/officers that have been responsible for a botched warrant (wrong address, bad shoot, etc) have often been held accountable, even if the popular internet opinion says otherwise.
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Kind of contradictory there, you don't have to worry about it but if it does happen they might be held accountable........???

As far as what they took from the guys house. I've got a scanner (legal in my jurisdiction), I've got a cabinet full of "baggies" (we use them to put food in), I've even got a broken gun in the corner near my bed. I've also got an "arsenal" (more than 10 guns) bomb making supplies (blackpowder fro my muzzleloaders and some left over plumbing parts), thousands of rounds of ammo, precisions scales( I'm a reloader).
So even though I'm pretty sure my neighbor is a doper and dealer since I'm not doing anything wrong I don't have anything to worry about.

Anytime we see one of these "No-knock" raids get screwed up we need to bury our elected reps, Local State and Federal with complaints about it.
 
Anytime we see one of these "No-knock" raids get screwed up we need to bury our elected reps, Local State and Federal with complaints about it.
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There the guys we pay to protect us from this kind of abuse, yet we generally give them a pass when it happens. Why is that?
 
There the guys we pay to protect us from this kind of abuse, yet we generally give them a pass when it happens. Why is that?
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A large portion of Americans lacks self reliance and likes to have a strong government 'protecting' them from the evils of the world. They view militarized police and these raids in a favorable light. They see that the .gov is out there doing something and protecting them. This feeling of being safe and protected is so important to the sheep-like that they are willing to overlook 'mistakes' like, oh maybe a no-knock raid at the wrong house.

Just a theory of mine.
 
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It should have only taken the loss of one innocent victim in a no-knock warrant invasion to have stopped the whole thing.

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Hmmm... Sounds oddly like the argument that the anti-gun movement uses. "If it only saves one life, it is worth taking away everyone's guns". Perhaps we should ban cars because of drunk drivers too?


Totally different thing. On one hand your taking about taking away a basic tool handed down over the centuries, at one time, in common general use.

On the other hand, your talking about a government imposed policy of random violence against innocent people. I continue to hear people here and on other boards go about how if you don't do anything wrong nothing will ever happen to like this. Dream on. Ask my wife what its like to get dragged naked out of your bed and thrown in the street by masked gunman. When you talk to her about it the fact it was the LAPD didn't make it any less terrifying, humiliating and destructive.

It's a heinous policy, its unconstitutional and worst of all, innocent people have had their lives taken for no better purpose than to keep someone from continual erosion of our basic rights. Yet, while a lot of you harp on one hand about gun grabbers, the other hand is doing the high five over aggressive para-military police actions that "make us safer".

ETA: As for the drunk driving analogy, does your state have sobriety check points? If it does when was the last time you asked your self why you have put up with this since your not driving drunk? Abuse of the people by the government takes on many forms. Whether you chose to see it is up to you. IMHO, lots of you folks have your blinders on and keep them on. Time to stop this abuse.
 
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Well, here's my activism. I don't expect to see the anoucement of a new bill tomorrow, though:

Honorable Senator Campbell and Representative Dantzler,

I'm writing today to express my interest in legislation that would ban or severly limit the use of "No-Knock Warrants" in our great state of South Carolina.

"No-Knock Warrants" can and sometimes do end in tragedy for both the Law Enforcement Officers and innocent civilians when wrong addresses are visited or the warrant was issued on false information. I have listed links below detailing such incidences from around our country.

As a side note, I would like to thank both of you for your hard work and dedication to our great state and the time you take to read my numerous emails and requests.

http://www.cato.org/raidmap/

http://www.arktimes.com/Articles/ArticleViewer.aspx?ArticleID=68509828-1566-472d-9a68-79f43b522950

http://www.nbc6.net/news/15843682/detail.html

http://hamptonroads.com/2008/01/fatal-shooting-officer-leaves-neighborhood-numb

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=455037&in_page_id=1770

http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070505/A_NEWS/705050317

These are just a sampling. There are many more.
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Legal question: since when is a radio scanner illegal or prima facie evidence of a crime ?
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or a broken firearm for that matter. or baggies, or a scale, or any of a thousand other things that police like to claim are somehow evidence of some kind of criminal activity. what happens is after they realized how bad they screwed up, the PR flacks got together and came up with the best story they could in the limited time they had.
 
I will concede that many of you are not wrong in saying that a major tragedy could occur if the police were to negligently run a no-knock warrant on your house, rather than the intended meth house next door. But, an issolated handful of mistakes across our very populated nation does not convince me that the entire system is completely broken!
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Even if it is your house?

Pilgrim
 
I will concede that many of you are not wrong in saying that a major tragedy could occur if the police were to negligently run a no-knock warrant on your house, rather than the intended meth house next door. But, an issolated handful of mistakes across our very populated nation does not convince me that the entire system is completely broken!
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Considering the stakes invloved, the error rate better damn well be approaching zero. This isn't filling out TPS reports for crying out loud. This requires the utmost in due diligence, and based on the CATO chart, I ain't seeing it.
 
Has it escaped everyone's notice;that as our "betters" systematically disasrm us in the nam e of "safety"; that those whome our "betters" issue badges to seem to need more and more in the way of special equipment and powers???
Look across the pond in the late Great Britain ; were the Metro cops have geared up a bit more as more an dmore of what used to be legal suddenly had its status changed.This also applies to speech/information and the exchange of ideas.
I truly fear that between the increasing sheeple/blissninny population and the scammers in both major parties that this is where we are heading. Especially as there are morte and more calls from the sheeple for the gov't to "do something"( except actuially secure our borders ,or stand up for our sovereignty!).
 
Also remember that the scale, baggies, broken police scanner, and broken firearm were not obtained nor even known about by police until they did the search. So they searched this guy's house inside and out and that was ALL they could find. No drugs, no drug residue, no cash, nor anything else. So that means there really is no smoke and likely no fire either. I hope this guy manages to get the money to defend himself properly.
 
For me, I have a scale to measure my weight though I doubt police would call that drug equipment. I have baggies in the pantry. I have a weather radio. I have number of firearms and ammo such that most cops probably would think it is a lot. Would they automatically assume I am doing something illegal? I would hope not. Would they find me with a gun in my hand if they broke down my door? Probably so.
 
Legal question: since when is a radio scanner illegal or prima facie evidence of a crime ?
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I don't believe the article claimed it was prima facie evidence of a crime. It may however be circumstantial evidence of a crime that added to other circumstantial evidence may be able to convince a jury (though I'm skeptical it will in this case).
 
The whole story seems a little lopsided, but I think criminals have enough practice lying that they can come up with some god stories. Scanner, gun, scales, baggies. Come on.
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I have a scanner, used it back when I was a volunteer SAR member, the county couldn't afford radios so most of us used scanners in our trucks...one way communication is better than no way communication. I have a broken gun that I am fixing. I have a precision scale, used for reloading. I have lots of small baggies, I use them for cataloging fired brass from wildcatting projects. I own all four, does that make me a criminal?
 
If you hang out with people who live a criminal lifestyle............................

From the Arkansas Times:
http://www.arktimes.com/Articles/ArticleViewer.aspx?ArticleID=68509828-1566-472d-9a68-79f43b522950

As someone who knows what it is to be down and out, he's always been an easy touch, his family says, for those looking to crash at his place long term. They say Ingle would take in nearly anyone with a hard luck story; a situation that even he admits led to a lot of shady characters hanging around the house. Before Christmas, before he put most of them out, there were five full-time roommates living in the house,including a cousin who had recently gotten out of jail after serving time for making meth.
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You shouldn't be surprised when you get caught up in their criminal lifestyle.

In the warrant obtained to search the house at 400 E. 21st St., a copy of which was obtained by the Arkansas Times, police say they believe the house in question contained “crack cocaine.” That description has been carefully scribbled out, with “methamphetamine” written in above and initialed by Judge Randy Morley. According to an affidavit signed by NLRPD narcotics investigator Mickey Schuetzle, narcotics had been sold from the residence. In that document, Schuetzle doesn't elaborate on who sold him the narcotics, what was sold, or when.
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Of course it's inconceivable to the conspiracy theorists among us that the cousin who had recently been released from jail for cooking meth was just doing what he knows best when he was living with poor Tracy. :rolleyes: That would spoil a good conspiracy. :uhoh:

Of course none of the conspiracy theorists have ever used a boilerplate form from a computer program and printed it out with a line or word they forgot to change. To some of you that's proof positive that Judge Morley, investigator Schuetzle, the states attorney and the North Little Rock Police Department all engaged in a criminal conspiracy to invade Tracy Ingle's home and shoot him down in his bed.:scrutiny: I bet they all planned to live like kings in Guatemala or Costa Rica on the millions they were going to take from poor Tracy after they killed him in his bed and stole his life's savings as the proceeds of the drug trade. :rolleyes:

Ingle is a victim of the cousin who sold meth from his house. Of course the poor meth cook doesn't have deep pockets like a city. So it's better for him if he plays the victim here. His own poor judgment is responsible for his plight.

When you hang around with people who live a criminal lifestyle, don't be surprised when you get caught up in it.

Poor Tracy is lucky he's still alive.

Jeff
 
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isn't the whole point of a no-knock the need to do the raid quickly

No. It is almost entirely to instill fear in the populace at large. It is almost never really about crime or officer safety, or whatever else is the stated reason. "Behave yourself, or this is what you will get".
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I really do not know why such blatantly incorrect, flame fueling posts are permitted on this board.
 
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