MisterPX
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Sounds like Fudds. The old if it ain't lever, pump, or bolt action, it's OK by them to ban it. 
Anti-gun gun owners
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Zen21Tao
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It never ceases to amaze he how many people (mostly leftist tree huggers and moon bats) want to excercise the very same rights they work tooth and nail to prevent you from having. Just take a look at the concealed carry permits held by Dianne Feinstein and Rosey O'Donnell's body guard. The average pro-gun citizen can't get these permits where these two live but, these bottom feeding anti-gun nuts can.
Mikee Loxxer
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At a public range a couple of years ago I was shooting my FAL and my buddy was shooting his a AR when some guy who looked like he was 60 or so pulled up in his truck and just sat there. I went over to both let him know that we would be willing to share the range with him as well at to make sure that he had hearing protection.
He then asked what we were shooting. I told him “just a couple of military rifles” At that point he stated “ I hate military rifles” and “if it doesn’t have fur or feathers on it I won’t shoot it.” Kinda made me wonder how he sighted his rifle in without target shooting. We then started arguing about the difference between sporting rifles and military rifles. I asserted that there is no clear distinction and that during the Revolutionary War that they were one and the same as far as the Continental Army was concerned. He then made some crack about my FAL being about at accurate as a Brown Bess.
Basically he was just trying to get us to leave so that he could have the range to himself. We kept shooting and he finally gave up and left. He was a real jerk.
He then asked what we were shooting. I told him “just a couple of military rifles” At that point he stated “ I hate military rifles” and “if it doesn’t have fur or feathers on it I won’t shoot it.” Kinda made me wonder how he sighted his rifle in without target shooting. We then started arguing about the difference between sporting rifles and military rifles. I asserted that there is no clear distinction and that during the Revolutionary War that they were one and the same as far as the Continental Army was concerned. He then made some crack about my FAL being about at accurate as a Brown Bess.
Basically he was just trying to get us to leave so that he could have the range to himself. We kept shooting and he finally gave up and left. He was a real jerk.
ezypikns
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Ugly, Scary guns. Say, they MUST be illegal.
Anyone dumb enough to negelct such a simple thing as hearing protection has no right to lecture you or any other responsible gun owner.
Anyone dumb enough to negelct such a simple thing as hearing protection has no right to lecture you or any other responsible gun owner.
Brass Fetcher
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Whether a person admits it or not, guns are powerful. This calls into mind the idea of personal power, and is also where all things 'gun' get hotly contested. Those without power (the OP had a set of fine guns, in my opinion, and quite 'powerful' as individual weapons that aren't rockets go) are generally scared of those with power, as numbnuts at the range with his kid was exhibiting.
So, I think alot of the issue with the wing shooters and the small bore folks who another poster mentioned were in some cases anti, are of course, not anti about all guns (theirs). Last I recall, an intro double barrel for skeet was at least 600USD and I know that they can go into the many thousands of dollars. 600USD will buy a new Glock and the many thousands of dollars can buy an M16. Speaking of power, those people are scared of the 'unwashed masses' having such guns ... it's a disparity of power (in this case social) that, in the wealthy and prohibition-minded persons primitive mind, is fully compensated for by the possession of effective weapons by folks with less money.
When a person told me my AR15 was 'illegal' (same same as the situation here , almost) I told them "Are you willing to take it from me?" End of discussion. I'm sorry, but I don't think the man with the .22lr wanted to be a gun owner or was 'one of us' - elsewise he would have found out about the whole 'hearing protection' thing somewhere along the line and not been scared at the sight of a more effective gun.
So, I think alot of the issue with the wing shooters and the small bore folks who another poster mentioned were in some cases anti, are of course, not anti about all guns (theirs). Last I recall, an intro double barrel for skeet was at least 600USD and I know that they can go into the many thousands of dollars. 600USD will buy a new Glock and the many thousands of dollars can buy an M16. Speaking of power, those people are scared of the 'unwashed masses' having such guns ... it's a disparity of power (in this case social) that, in the wealthy and prohibition-minded persons primitive mind, is fully compensated for by the possession of effective weapons by folks with less money.
When a person told me my AR15 was 'illegal' (same same as the situation here , almost) I told them "Are you willing to take it from me?" End of discussion. I'm sorry, but I don't think the man with the .22lr wanted to be a gun owner or was 'one of us' - elsewise he would have found out about the whole 'hearing protection' thing somewhere along the line and not been scared at the sight of a more effective gun.
orionengnr
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why I like THR
...I always learn something here.
Mr. Bowman, your response and approach gave me something to think about, are are in keeping with the high standards of THR. Nicely done.
I hope that I can think so clearly and respond so graciously if I am ever faced with this level of idiocy.
This type of discussion (and the thought it provokes) is worth more than all the SHTF and caliber wars put together.
...I always learn something here.
Mr. Bowman, your response and approach gave me something to think about, are are in keeping with the high standards of THR. Nicely done.
I hope that I can think so clearly and respond so graciously if I am ever faced with this level of idiocy.
This type of discussion (and the thought it provokes) is worth more than all the SHTF and caliber wars put together.
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zero_chances
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I hate people like that.
What does EBR stand for? something barreled rifle i am guessing.
What does EBR stand for? something barreled rifle i am guessing.
October of 2005 I was at a gunshow in Antigo, WI for the purposes of getting my fellow gun owners to write their legislators in favor of passing the concealed carry law.
Part of setting up our booth was going around and asking the vendors if they minded us putting some literature on their table if they had the room. Everyone was happy to oblige, and I got a number of "good luck, we need that law passed!" responses.
One guy in particular was frantically setting up his table. From the looks of things he was just about finished. I saw he had room for a small stack of our flyers and asked if he minded placing some on his table.
The guy became immediately flustered - visibly upset - and had a hard time looking me in the eye as he exclaimed he did not believe in people carrying guns and he wanted no part in helping distribute our flyers.
Upon unclenching my teeth from my tongue, I thanks him anyway and went back to place the remaining flyers at our booth.
The man was selling accessories - mostly pistol magazines. I just shook my head as I thought of the people who would be giving this fella their hard earned cash with out knowing he did not fully support their right to keep and bear arms.
I couldn't do anything about it. I'm was not about to sabotage the man's sales, that would have been inappropriate. I promised myself to give him - free of charge - my 2 cents should I see him at another gun show and I'm attending in a personal capacity.
Part of setting up our booth was going around and asking the vendors if they minded us putting some literature on their table if they had the room. Everyone was happy to oblige, and I got a number of "good luck, we need that law passed!" responses.
One guy in particular was frantically setting up his table. From the looks of things he was just about finished. I saw he had room for a small stack of our flyers and asked if he minded placing some on his table.
The guy became immediately flustered - visibly upset - and had a hard time looking me in the eye as he exclaimed he did not believe in people carrying guns and he wanted no part in helping distribute our flyers.
Upon unclenching my teeth from my tongue, I thanks him anyway and went back to place the remaining flyers at our booth.
The man was selling accessories - mostly pistol magazines. I just shook my head as I thought of the people who would be giving this fella their hard earned cash with out knowing he did not fully support their right to keep and bear arms.
I couldn't do anything about it. I'm was not about to sabotage the man's sales, that would have been inappropriate. I promised myself to give him - free of charge - my 2 cents should I see him at another gun show and I'm attending in a personal capacity.
Legionnaire
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EBR = Evil Black Rifle. Moniker for ARs and the like.
Well here is a gun show for people that hate guns
Here is a quote about the East Coast Fine Arms Show in Stamford, CT.
http://antiquesandthearts.com/AS-2006-01-24-14-27-57p1.htm
Clearly these people don't want to associate with the unwashed gun owners. I was all set to go until I read that quote. I guess there won't be any EBRs there.
Here is a quote about the East Coast Fine Arms Show in Stamford, CT.
http://antiquesandthearts.com/AS-2006-01-24-14-27-57p1.htm
Clearly these people don't want to associate with the unwashed gun owners. I was all set to go until I read that quote. I guess there won't be any EBRs there.
thexrayboy
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And some people lack a mind to make up. Sounds like this one was a
candidate for a Carlos Mencia Dee Dee Dee award.
Prince Yamato
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Can we impeach FDR post mortem?
yhtomit
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I had no idea Clinton was doing that to gun laws!
If Clinton did to gun laws what the tempestuous father claims he did, I'm a little angry about it. If he singed any of our many, many honorable and important gun laws, then perhaps he should have kept his cigars in a safer place.
I mean, if you're going to apply some flame to the gun laws, might as well get it right and give them the quick and dignified death they deserve
timothy
If Clinton did to gun laws what the tempestuous father claims he did, I'm a little angry about it. If he singed any of our many, many honorable and important gun laws, then perhaps he should have kept his cigars in a safer place.
I mean, if you're going to apply some flame to the gun laws, might as well get it right and give them the quick and dignified death they deserve
timothy
David904
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EBR = Evil Black Rifle.
I, however, prefer the term, "SUR: Sport Utility Rifle."
I, however, prefer the term, "SUR: Sport Utility Rifle."
joe4702
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Many of these folks view firearms and shooting like golf - just another hobby. They have no appreciation of the importance of gun ownership in a free society. If all guns were banned, they'd just take up another hobby and probably not even lose a nights sleep over it.
ProguninTN
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They don't respect firearms as defensive tools and as tyranny insurance. Some of them are even gun grabbers who want to become tyrants. 
The dad's definitely a Fudd.
Pity the kid didn't get to see you enjoy shooting your SUR. I remember watching my grand-dad shoot his AR-15 when I was a kid. After that, summers at his ranch with my mom became my respite from my at the time anti-gun dad and step mom. Fortunately, my dad and step mom overcame that affectation, as I taught him and my step mom pistol shooting.
Pity the kid didn't get to see you enjoy shooting your SUR. I remember watching my grand-dad shoot his AR-15 when I was a kid. After that, summers at his ranch with my mom became my respite from my at the time anti-gun dad and step mom. Fortunately, my dad and step mom overcame that affectation, as I taught him and my step mom pistol shooting.
Dr. Dickie
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I must say, it is stories such as these that makes me more and more thankful for the range to which I belong.
The club just opened a "Members Only" 100 yards rifle range (an active member could bring a day shooter with them). After three months, they had to change the rules to "One Day Shooter Only with Active Member," (you can imagine why).
Really cuts down on the bozo quotient. The ROs stay on the other ranges and just drive up every now and then to make sure everyone has the correct badges and to shoot the breeze.
For pistols they have about 7 bays (25 meter wide by 25 meter deep) that you can do what you want (safely of course), practice IDPA, shoot bullseye, plates, whatever. Of course the usual pistol ranges as well as a members only 200 yard rifle and misc small bore rifle ranges.
If they ever get run out of business, I do not know what I will do. I cannot go back to shooting pistols only in some dark, gloomly, congested inside range. That was what drove me away from shooting 30 years ago (I did not know this place existed then, but I wish I had!)
I know many things about myself, and number one is, "I do not suffer fools very well." I likely would have greatly offended that man (and perhaps taught his kid a few new words--something I would not want to do).
The club just opened a "Members Only" 100 yards rifle range (an active member could bring a day shooter with them). After three months, they had to change the rules to "One Day Shooter Only with Active Member," (you can imagine why).
Really cuts down on the bozo quotient. The ROs stay on the other ranges and just drive up every now and then to make sure everyone has the correct badges and to shoot the breeze.
For pistols they have about 7 bays (25 meter wide by 25 meter deep) that you can do what you want (safely of course), practice IDPA, shoot bullseye, plates, whatever. Of course the usual pistol ranges as well as a members only 200 yard rifle and misc small bore rifle ranges.
If they ever get run out of business, I do not know what I will do. I cannot go back to shooting pistols only in some dark, gloomly, congested inside range. That was what drove me away from shooting 30 years ago (I did not know this place existed then, but I wish I had!)
I know many things about myself, and number one is, "I do not suffer fools very well." I likely would have greatly offended that man (and perhaps taught his kid a few new words--something I would not want to do).
Deanimator
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Back in the '80s, NPR ran a week-long feature on the 2nd Amendment and gun control.
They started out with a "pro-gun" spokesman who ONLY shot trap and skeet, who said he would NEVER own a handgun, and who on-air stated that if push came to shove, he'd willingly give up his shotguns if there was enough public sentiment for that.
That pathetic individual was an example of two things.
First, he was a demonstration of the willingness that some "gun owners" have to sell the rest of us out. It was as if a Reformed Jew was practically jumping up and down with eagerness to sell out the Chasidim to the Nazis, secure in the insane belief that he wasn't next.
Secondly, it's a glaring demonstration of the sheer disconnect from reality of anti-gunners. NPR actually thought that this guy was a representative gun owner. That's certainly one reason why Clinton lost the House, and even HE admitted as much. John Kerry probably had no idea in the world, what an imbecile he looked like with the whole "hunting license" thing during the '04 election. And that is one advantage that we have over anti-gunners. They're like the Japanese in WWII. They KNOW they're right and can't POSSIBLY lose... 'til they see that bright flash and wonder why their clothes are on fire.
The Cavalry
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Mag dump downrange would have brought the discussion to a quick resolution, what with them having no hearing protection and all.
"What's that about Clinton?? Can't hear ya, speak up!!"
"What's that about Clinton?? Can't hear ya, speak up!!"
Prince Yamato
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i tend to refer to these people as "sportsmen". Same way I differentiate "hunters" from gun owner. I may use my guns for sporting purposes, but I always have the thought in my mind that they could be used for their original purposes as well, to kill, (or according to Texas law, to stop.)
Some people just can't stomach the fact that they may have to defend themselves one day.
MarshallDodge
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History Prof, you handled yourself very well. I'm sure as soon as that kid grows up and leaves home he will by himself an EBR
I have a few friends that are big game hunters and think that concealed carry permits and semi-auto's are useless.
I have a few friends that are big game hunters and think that concealed carry permits and semi-auto's are useless.
DEANIMATOR - "Back in the '80s, NPR ran a week-long feature on the 2nd Amendment and gun control.
They started out with a "pro-gun" spokesman who ONLY shot trap and skeet, who said he would NEVER own a handgun, and who on-air stated that if push came to shove, he'd willingly give up his shotguns if there was enough public sentiment for that."
Deanimator, I'd bet a lot of money that guy was a "ringer," brought in specifically by NPR (Neo Proletariat Radio) for the purpose of furthering NPR's Marxist viewpoint.
Dude probably had never fired a shotgun more than a couple of times to be able to claim he was a "shooter."
The various mainstream media outlets are well known for this tactic.
L.W.
They started out with a "pro-gun" spokesman who ONLY shot trap and skeet, who said he would NEVER own a handgun, and who on-air stated that if push came to shove, he'd willingly give up his shotguns if there was enough public sentiment for that."
Deanimator, I'd bet a lot of money that guy was a "ringer," brought in specifically by NPR (Neo Proletariat Radio) for the purpose of furthering NPR's Marxist viewpoint.
Dude probably had never fired a shotgun more than a couple of times to be able to claim he was a "shooter."
The various mainstream media outlets are well known for this tactic.
L.W.
cracked butt
Member
Too bad there wasn't a high power rifle match at the range instead of a lone shooter when the guy showed up- he might have crapped his mamby pamby pants.
hankdatank1362
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Reminds me of my dad.
Whenever I take even something halfway evil-looking over to his house, like an SKS or something, he wants me to wrap it in a blanket so the neighbors don't think he's a weirdo who's got all kinds of "assault weapons."
I love him, but even with his decent-sized collection, he's definitely in the "hunter" category.
Whenever I take even something halfway evil-looking over to his house, like an SKS or something, he wants me to wrap it in a blanket so the neighbors don't think he's a weirdo who's got all kinds of "assault weapons."
I love him, but even with his decent-sized collection, he's definitely in the "hunter" category.
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