Army's Age Now 39--Am I Crazy To Contemplate Joining?

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As was noted a few months ago, the Army has pushed its age for joining the reserves up to 39. I've been contemplating joining, though it appears it will take me some time to get my debt situation together and get my knees fixed. I'm nowhere near in good enough shape, but with work I could get myself together in a year or two. I have no back problems of any kind, and my knee issues need a simple surgery to fix with a very high chance of complete recovery.

Am I crazy? I'd be going in as a Specialist with a BA and JD. I can't go into JAG because 29 is still the cutoff for OCS and that's not likely to change. I know boot camp is tough, but then again I'm not talking about going into the Marines or special forces. There's also the chance, according to one recruiter I spoke with, of getting promotions and getting into JAG through that route after a few years.
 
Basic was an sob when i was a 20 yo kid. I couldn't imagine having to endure it again at 56.

Excuse while i hide under the bed and shiver.
 
You'd think they'd also be loosening the age requisite for OCS. You'd think they'd want as many qualified candidates as they could get at this point. I'd say a JD certainly counts as 'qualified'.
 
I can't go into JAG because 29 is still the cutoff for OCS and that's not likely to change.
Wow, how fortuitous. Check this out. http://www.stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=29616

Army, needing 2nd lieutenants, speeds process for NCOs to become officers


By Lisa Burgess, Stars and Stripes
Mideast edition, Friday, June 10, 2005

ARLINGTON, Va. — Facing an urgent requirement to field an additional 300 second lieutenants in 2006, Army officials have decided to make it easier for nontraditional officer candidates to enter that career track.

Two-star generals now can sign waivers that would allow Officer Candidate School admission for NCOs who are older than 30 or who may have minor criminal or military offenses on their records, according to a memo sent to Army leaders on May 25.

Previously, all OCS waivers had to come from the Department of the Army itself, according to Lt. Col. Bryan Hilferty, an Army personnel spokesman. Army leaders decided to delegate OCS waiver authority to lower levels in order “to speed the process” of admissions to OCS, Hilferty told Stripes.

But the May 25 memo did not change the waiver standards themselves, Hilferty noted.

The Army is allowed to grant age waivers to OCS candidates who are as old as 42, and to applicants who have “minor infractions” on their records, such as “a conviction for underage drinking that occurred prior to enlistment several years ago,” Hilferty said.

However, “felonies cannot be waived,” Hilferty said, and “drug offenses and sex offenses are not waived.”

“We look at the overall quality of the candidate, time elapsed since the incident, and demonstrated maturity of the candidate,” Hilferty said.

Speed is of the essence, Hilferty said. Instead of the 4,300 new officers Army officials originally thought they would need to produce in fiscal 2006, the real requirement is 4,600.

The additional 300 officers are necessary to support the Army’s ongoing addition of 30,000 troops to its ranks, which Congress mandated last spring in order to staff missions in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Only OCS, which lasts 96 days, is short enough to bring the additional leaders in a one-year window, Hilferty said.

To meet its immediate requirement for officers, the Army also is shifting the student load from ROTC programs and West Point to the officer school: Instead of the Army’s original goal of graduating 1,000 new officers from OCS next year, the new goal is 1,400.

With the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan making recruiting a challenge, Army officials hope streamlining the OCS waiver process will convince their battle-hardened NCO cadre to consider the officer ranks.

“The leadership and combat experience soldiers are receiving today in Iraq and Afghanistan are huge assets that we need to leverage as much as possible,” Hilferty said. “We think our great young NCOs would make great young officers.”

NCOs who are interested in taking advantage of the Army’s waiver streamlining program should act fast, because the program officially ends October 2006, according to the May 25 message.

For more details on the OCS waiver, go to MILPER message 05-129 at https://perscomnd04.army.mil/milpermsgs.nsf.

Me again. With the new rules regarding the promotion to Sergeant, you would probably make that list in a heartbeat and then you could get your waiver and go to OCS.
 
I think for OFC you still have to be able to do 20 years before age 60..which means you can go.

Cosmoline, go for it, if you want to. You're not crazy.
 
If the quality of the Army kids we PT with is any indication of how tuff they are, you have nothing to worry about. You might even embarrass a few young uns.

You and the Navy, Full Speed Ahead.
 
What, knees? You should have seen my 90 year old grandmother after she had her knees fixed. She was running around and doing yoga. I just pounded the bejesus out of them when I was younger and they can't take jogging anymore. The orthopods have pretty much perfected the surgery, though.
 
Any medical condition can be accompanied by a doctor's waiver and they say that they'll "consider it" and do their little evaluation. If they okay it or not is beyond any of our control. It think it also partly depends on the physical profile of the MOS you want. Some MOS aren't as demanding as others so they might be more lax on certain problems.
 
They can raise the age as much as they want but IMHO the Army is a young man's game. I was in from 18-21 and at 30 I couldn't remotely imagine going back in. Not only is it physically demanding but there is a lot of BS to put up with. Not sure if I want a 23yr old E-5 and 22 yr old 0-1 in charge of me in my 30s.
 
You're not crazy for contemplating it. Several here have given you reasons not to do it, but those reasons belong to the persons who posted them. If their reasons are not yours, by all means, try it. At the time I joined, I had way more reasons not to sign up than to take the enlistment, but now I wouldn't have wanted things to work out any other way. I wish you luck whatever you decide.
 
Part of my interest has been brought on my my pessimism. I don't see a letup in the wars to come, from the mid-east to China, North Korea and Taiwan. And I don't want a draft. The fact that they're considering letting old farts in is some indication that I'm not alone in my pessimism. If they're trying to get more people now, it's because they expect to need them down the line.

It appears OCS is now actually a possibility, though they're still a lot more picky about who they let in there. We'll see what happens.
 
Have you considered FBI, CIA and State Department. You JD qualification might be more usefull to them. Of course they would need a full time commitment.

If you are in good PhyTraining condition go for OCS
 
Remember that the 39 age limit is for the reserves, not the active army.

I would recommend the OCS route as well, If you have no major law violations, you should be good for OCS...If the recruiter offers OCS that is...

Remeber to get everything in writing... :scrutiny:

Pwolfman

ps, you aren't crazy, I am putting in a 38 year old mother of a soldier in the reserves...she is one highly motivated woman!!
 
Not crazy. I just had a young friend join the Marine Corps and it awakened some thoughts in me . I was too young and immature when I was in but if I knew then what I know now and had the mindset I have now things would have been a lot different. I look back at the oppurtunities I waisted while in with regret. That being said,I dont know if I could hold up to the physical strains of boot camp now,maybe if I started really training for a year or two prior ,it would definately be tough. Having some 22 year old nco bossing you around would be trying too. I say go for it.
 
Lots of remminising going on here. I just wish one of you guys would get in to take my nephew's place on convoy duty in Icrap. Don't forget, as soon as you get in, you'll be going overthere. I'm not a bleeding heart lib. I'm a consevative rep.(big deal). You still have to deal with multiple tours of rotation. So many times that you family goes to hell. Your morale drops through the floor. All to save the freedoms of a people who never had freedom. Don't really care about the"devil's freedoms". Maybe a little for the cash, or for a chance to boost their own social status. But what happened to the people with the flowers in their hands as the GI's come rolling in? Oh yeah. They call those IED's now. It's a big fat LIE. I wouldn't go to war for Rumsfeld or his bosses for nothing. Besides I can't. To busy trying to see what more of my constitutional rights they want to eliminate in the name of national security. Oh Oh! I hope no one from the feds reads this I'd hate to be incarcerated without charge for ever without due process in the name of the patriot(they wouldn't know one if it bit them in the butt)act. I know I may sound a little bitter but, My boy is being shot at and the reason "to me" is a little bit skinny. Pray for our boys and girls over there.
PS consider shipping some personal things over there like feminine products and the like. They are hard to come by.
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Cosmo-

AFAIK, if you've got a JD and you've passed the bar, you can get a direct commission in JAG. Not sure what the age limit there is for active duty. Specialty professional fields like JAG, doctors, nurses, and chaplains have their own special rules, and your average recruiter might not be familiar with them.

I don't have the URL off the top of my head, but a bit of poking around www.goarmy.com or a google search for JAG (Judge Advocate General) might get you the info you need.

And for the record, the oldest individual I've put through basic in the last 18 months was 41. Arabic language translator. They get even more waivers than other soldiers.
 
In the back of my mind, I have the idea to tell the VA to keep my disability (left knee) and go back in. From talking to other folks, I am not alone.

Maybe they should put a "gimp & geezer" brigade together for us old and broke soldiers who still want to do our part.

On a serious note, am I the only one who thinks of the firends I had and the yougn troops I mentored while I was in and get an overwhealming feeling I should be over there with them? keeps me up at nights.
 
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