Banned Glock pistols
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berettaman
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Not enough bat points.(batfe actually)
There is a point system used to grade guns being considered for import.
Larger size, larger caliber, and things such as target triggers, thumb rests, adjustable sights, etc. (sporting features) earn more points.
If the gun doesn't earn enough points it's not eligible for import. The .380 caliber earns very few points which means that .380 and smaller caliber pistols end up with a point deficit that's hard to get out of. The Glock .380 doesn't have enough other "sporting features" to make up for the loss due to being chambered in .380. Glock could make them in the U.S.--that would be perfectly legal--but importing them is not.
My guess is that Glock doesn't figure the demand (profits) would be high enough to warrant the hassle of modifying them to garner the proper number of points.
Larger size, larger caliber, and things such as target triggers, thumb rests, adjustable sights, etc. (sporting features) earn more points.
If the gun doesn't earn enough points it's not eligible for import. The .380 caliber earns very few points which means that .380 and smaller caliber pistols end up with a point deficit that's hard to get out of. The Glock .380 doesn't have enough other "sporting features" to make up for the loss due to being chambered in .380. Glock could make them in the U.S.--that would be perfectly legal--but importing them is not.
My guess is that Glock doesn't figure the demand (profits) would be high enough to warrant the hassle of modifying them to garner the proper number of points.
GreenFurniture
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Which all go back to the GCA '68.
Dravur
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If I remember right...
and Im not an expert, but I rememver reading that you have to have 75 points to be allowed to import and the Glock 380 scores 68 or 70.... This is not in any way scientific, just what I remembered.
and Im not an expert, but I rememver reading that you have to have 75 points to be allowed to import and the Glock 380 scores 68 or 70.... This is not in any way scientific, just what I remembered.
patentnonsense
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The Glock web site explains all this in detail.
stevelyn
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The BATFEces
pukes who make the determination of what can and can't be imported using the arbitrary and subjective "sporting purposes" clause of GCA '68, won't award it enough points.
pukes who make the determination of what can and can't be imported using the arbitrary and subjective "sporting purposes" clause of GCA '68, won't award it enough points.WarMachine
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Funny how they ban the .380 model, but have no issues with the .45 or 10mm
With the billions that are spent on pharmaceuticals each year, you would think they could common up with a "Common Sense" pill. Forget the 500mg tablets; I'm talking 1kg blocks
With the billions that are spent on pharmaceuticals each year, you would think they could common up with a "Common Sense" pill. Forget the 500mg tablets; I'm talking 1kg blocks
longeyes
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Isn't it a blowback version of the G26? Why would you want the same gun in .380 when you can get it in much more powerful 9mm?
Is the .380 Glock a blowback? Or is it a rare recoil operated .380?
The only advantage the .380 has over the 9mm in a gun of the same size is less recoil, but in order for this to hold it would need to be a recoil operated design IMO.
I suppose if the Glock .380 is blowback, it may be a bit cheaper to buy?
Too bad they don't sell them in the US... would be fun to see one.
Having said this, the only .380 that I would consider for last-ditch defense is the Beretta Cheetah or Sig 230/232. If I'm going to go with a Glock, it has to be 9mm or higher. I say this because my Glocks have NOT been 100 percent reliable, so I want every shot to hit a little harder.
The only advantage the .380 has over the 9mm in a gun of the same size is less recoil, but in order for this to hold it would need to be a recoil operated design IMO.
I suppose if the Glock .380 is blowback, it may be a bit cheaper to buy?
Too bad they don't sell them in the US... would be fun to see one.
Having said this, the only .380 that I would consider for last-ditch defense is the Beretta Cheetah or Sig 230/232. If I'm going to go with a Glock, it has to be 9mm or higher. I say this because my Glocks have NOT been 100 percent reliable, so I want every shot to hit a little harder.
I believe the only reason Glock chambers a gun for the .380 is for the countries that don't allow their subjects to own a caliber that's used by the military or police. Not only can't Glock easily import it to the US, but as you say, who'd want it? I suppose a Glock collector would want one, but other than them?
The GCA act of 68 was very logical and did exactly what it was intended to.
It reduced the availability and raised the price of small pistols in the U.S.
It reduced the amount of competition that U.S. gun makers had from foreign makers. I've read information indicating that at least some U.S. gun makers pushed the law.
It reduced the availability and raised the price of small pistols in the U.S.
It reduced the amount of competition that U.S. gun makers had from foreign makers. I've read information indicating that at least some U.S. gun makers pushed the law.
The primary obstacle is the 1989 ban on importing sub-compact non-sporting handguns. In order to achieve the necessary 75 points, the designer has to make it appear to be a target pistol.
Here is the scoring system:
Characteristic-Points
Length: for each 1/4" over 6" - 1
Forged steel frame - 15
Forged HTS alloy frame - 20
Unloaded weight w/mag (per oz.) - 1
.22 short and .25 auto - 0
.22 LR and 7.65mm to .380 auto - 3
9mm parabellum and over - 10
Locked breech mechanism - 5
Loaded chamber indicator - 5
Grip safety - 3
Magazine safety - 5
Firing pin block or lock - 10
External hammer - 2
Double action - 10
Drift adjustable target sight - 5
Click adjustable target sight - 10
Target grips - 5
Target trigger - 2
Here is the scoring system:
Characteristic-Points
Length: for each 1/4" over 6" - 1
Forged steel frame - 15
Forged HTS alloy frame - 20
Unloaded weight w/mag (per oz.) - 1
.22 short and .25 auto - 0
.22 LR and 7.65mm to .380 auto - 3
9mm parabellum and over - 10
Locked breech mechanism - 5
Loaded chamber indicator - 5
Grip safety - 3
Magazine safety - 5
Firing pin block or lock - 10
External hammer - 2
Double action - 10
Drift adjustable target sight - 5
Click adjustable target sight - 10
Target grips - 5
Target trigger - 2
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