Bias Against Glocks or Is It Just Me?
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Much of the antipathy is projected onto Glocks, due to the behavior of some of the fans.
However, some of that behavior is in turn triggered by statements of those who were already biased against Glocks. For example, on TFL, someone made the remarkably foolish comment that the Glock was great for the untrained and ignorant masses who didn't understand what a quality weapon was. Needless to say, this caused quite a bit of uproar as the Glockers rallied. By the end of the thread, you saw some of the pro-Glock nonsense complained of.
However, some of that behavior is in turn triggered by statements of those who were already biased against Glocks. For example, on TFL, someone made the remarkably foolish comment that the Glock was great for the untrained and ignorant masses who didn't understand what a quality weapon was. Needless to say, this caused quite a bit of uproar as the Glockers rallied. By the end of the thread, you saw some of the pro-Glock nonsense complained of.
romma
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They shoot nice from my limited experience, but to me, having to pull the trigger just so I can field strip a firearm, seems wrong.
I know I am careful with firearms, but there seems to be a high rate of NDs' that may be related to this process...
I know I am careful with firearms, but there seems to be a high rate of NDs' that may be related to this process...
1911Tuner
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Disclaimer:
This is my twist on Glocks. YMMV
I don't like Glocks...not because they're not good pistols, but simply because they don't fit my hand. I've tried. I borrowed one and shot it for 3 solid months...and I just can't warm up to'em to save ol' skinny.
Aside from that, no issues at all. The one that I lived with for a while was dead reliable, and more accurate than it needs to be for its intended role. It ate every type of ammunition that I fed it. it never failed to function over the course of about 2,000 rounds, give or take...and the takedown for cleaning was simplicity personified.
The fact that pulling the trigger in order to strip it is necessary didn't bother me in the least. Clear the weapon...and make sure it's clear before beginning. It's that simple. Getting careless with guns is risky. They bite when you don't maintain respect.
The trigger disengaging safety does make me a tad nervous when reholstering the piece...but it only needs to be done carefully to avoid holes in one's leg. That may be the single biggest drawback in a pistol intended for duty. Sometimes, it's necessary to reholster in a hurry. A good holster that's specifically designed for the system is the most logical solution to that concern.
This is my twist on Glocks. YMMV
I don't like Glocks...not because they're not good pistols, but simply because they don't fit my hand. I've tried. I borrowed one and shot it for 3 solid months...and I just can't warm up to'em to save ol' skinny.
Aside from that, no issues at all. The one that I lived with for a while was dead reliable, and more accurate than it needs to be for its intended role. It ate every type of ammunition that I fed it. it never failed to function over the course of about 2,000 rounds, give or take...and the takedown for cleaning was simplicity personified.
The fact that pulling the trigger in order to strip it is necessary didn't bother me in the least. Clear the weapon...and make sure it's clear before beginning. It's that simple. Getting careless with guns is risky. They bite when you don't maintain respect.
The trigger disengaging safety does make me a tad nervous when reholstering the piece...but it only needs to be done carefully to avoid holes in one's leg. That may be the single biggest drawback in a pistol intended for duty. Sometimes, it's necessary to reholster in a hurry. A good holster that's specifically designed for the system is the most logical solution to that concern.
... Love it!!!That's my take also.
For every "Glock is the perfect weapons system" person there is a "if you don't shoot a 1911 you aren't a real man" person. One is just as bad as the other.
I like Glocks and carry one daily. That said, it's not the perfect weapons system, nor is it for everybody. I think the pulling the trigger to takedown "issue" is completley overblown. Do the people who freak over that not do any dryfire practice?
I'm not a particular fan of revolvers, doesn't mean they are horrable weapons, however. They just aren't my cup of tea. Same with Glocks. Nice, reliable and inexpensive weapons system...but they aren't the 2nd coming either.
ScottyT
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I hate fanboys of any firearm (or anything else).
Use what is most comfortable for you to shoot. Use what you can afford and be effective with.
Glocks are incredibly reliable and durable firearms, there is no question. I find the Glock grip to be horribly uncomfortable and sometimes question if the designers have ever heard the word "ergonomics".
I prefer the XD, which is actually built to be used by human hands, but my best friend swears by his Glock 21 and IN HIS HANDS it is the best gun.
Use what is most comfortable for you to shoot. Use what you can afford and be effective with.
Glocks are incredibly reliable and durable firearms, there is no question. I find the Glock grip to be horribly uncomfortable and sometimes question if the designers have ever heard the word "ergonomics".
I prefer the XD, which is actually built to be used by human hands, but my best friend swears by his Glock 21 and IN HIS HANDS it is the best gun.
DougDubya
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The redhead in that last photo - I am in love.
As for Glocks, they're great. But, anyone stating any firearm is perfect just hasn't discovered gunsmiths.
As for Glocks, they're great. But, anyone stating any firearm is perfect just hasn't discovered gunsmiths.
MCgunner
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Change the title of this thread to "bias against Taurus" and I'd agree with you, or maybe "bias against Kel Tec", or maybe even "bias against Ruger". I don't like safe action triggers, so I don't own a Glock, but there's nothing wrong with 'em other than I just don't like safe action triggers for carry.
Actually, I think there is some bias against Glocks from the 1911 crowd, you know, the whole plastic thing and that. But, then, those guys don't like anything that isn't a 1911, not Glocks, not shotguns, not rifles, not revolvers, nothin'. It must be a pretty dull life being restricted to one type of gun. But, hey, that ain't MY problem.
The most ignorant rant I hear is "it doesn't fit my hand." Christ, I can shoot glocks to revolvers, I adapt and go from there. I just plain don't quite understand the "doesn't fit my hand" thing except maybe the birds head grip of a NAA .22 mini.
Actually, I think there is some bias against Glocks from the 1911 crowd, you know, the whole plastic thing and that. But, then, those guys don't like anything that isn't a 1911, not Glocks, not shotguns, not rifles, not revolvers, nothin'. It must be a pretty dull life being restricted to one type of gun. But, hey, that ain't MY problem.
The most ignorant rant I hear is "it doesn't fit my hand." Christ, I can shoot glocks to revolvers, I adapt and go from there. I just plain don't quite understand the "doesn't fit my hand" thing except maybe the birds head grip of a NAA .22 mini.JohnBT
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Glocks don't fit my hand.
Well, they don't. They feel like a brick with a trigger.
I don't like 10/22's either.
I like everything else, although some of the Ruger autoloaders are a little boxy too.
John
P.S. - Sounds like you need to work on understanding like you have on your shooting.
Well, they don't. They feel like a brick with a trigger.
I don't like 10/22's either.
I like everything else, although some of the Ruger autoloaders are a little boxy too.
John
P.S. - Sounds like you need to work on understanding like you have on your shooting.
DawgFvr
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Rediculous. Anybody worth their salt can adapt to any grip.
I can go from an M16 to a Mossberg Shotgun to a M1 Garand to a Ruger revolver to a P3AT...etc., etc., in a blink of an eye. What's to fit? A human being has a hand that can adapt to anything.
I agree with MCgunner's statement,
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First, McGunner, I'd appreciate you not using The Lord's name in vain. Second, if either of you gentlemen are qualified surgeons who can modify my wrist, hand, and forearm so a Glock points naturally for me please send me a PM and I'll give you my contact details. Last, while you're in there doing surgery could you please enlarge my hand and fingers so I can actually grip a Glock 20/21 size frame? I'd really love a G20 because it's about half the price of a 1911 in 10mm. If S&W would make the M&P in 10mm or SA the XD in the same chambering I'd be good to go: I can actually grip their .45 ACP frames. Before you ask, no I can't get a proper grip on a 21 SF either, and yes, I tried. Do you two now understand the grip size and angle problems I and some others have with Glocks?
To the OP, if you'll read the above posts I've quoted you'll see why this board may seem a bit biased against Glocks. When people make ignorant responses to legitimate reasons others post for why they don't like Glocks it allicts responses like mine.
Justin
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Ok, color me a deep shade of grumpy, but if you can't grasp the basic notion of "keep your finger off of the trigger unless you intend to fire your weapon" perhaps you ought not be trusted with things like guns, police cruisers, pepper spray, mirandizing suspects, or pointy-ended scissors.
1911Tuner
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Beware the man with one (type of) gun.
Besides...Revolvers are my first love.
I'm especially partial to Smith K-Frames.
Not I...and I'd say I'm worth a little salt, thank ya very much.
"God" isn't His name. It's His title.
Precisely.
JohnBT
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"A human being has a hand that can adapt to anything."
A human being has a mind that can adapt to anything. Try adapting to the concept that the Glock is too wide and too square to fit my hand - specifically the space between the base of the thumb and index finger.
Let's look at shotguns. Most folks can adapt to any shotgun - short stock, long stock, neutral cast, too much cast, etc. - but they quickly discover that they shoot better with one that fits them.
Try it, you'll see.
I can adapt to any airline seat too, but that doesn't make it a good fit either.
John
P.S. - Do you think all the folks paying for Glock grip reductions and reshaping are idiots and just wasting their money?
A human being has a mind that can adapt to anything. Try adapting to the concept that the Glock is too wide and too square to fit my hand - specifically the space between the base of the thumb and index finger.
Let's look at shotguns. Most folks can adapt to any shotgun - short stock, long stock, neutral cast, too much cast, etc. - but they quickly discover that they shoot better with one that fits them.
Try it, you'll see.
I can adapt to any airline seat too, but that doesn't make it a good fit either.
John
P.S. - Do you think all the folks paying for Glock grip reductions and reshaping are idiots and just wasting their money?
hahaha. Priceless. It's true though. I can, and do shoot Glocks very accurately, and I actually like them as pistols go. But my M&Ps point more naturally and quickly for me, so I own M&Ps and not Glocks.
I want to be clear. I think Glocks are great guns. They are accurate, uber-reliable, strong, durable good value, etc... It's just the angle of the dangle, and the shape of the grip that doesn't work for me as well as other guns.
All in all, revolvers (especially my 4" 19-3 and 3" SP101) point more naturally and feel the best in my hands anyway.
CountGlockula
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To every one problem, there's 10 solutions.
What's so great about Glocks, is that if you can't easily or comfortably grip a Glock you have options:
Hogue Glock Grips.
Glock grip reduction.
Or try out the other Glock models-full size, compact & subcompact.
What's so great about Glocks, is that if you can't easily or comfortably grip a Glock you have options:
Hogue Glock Grips.
Glock grip reduction.
Or try out the other Glock models-full size, compact & subcompact.
I admit that I've always been biased against Glocks, for as long as they've been out. I just don't like them.
I have handled them and thought that their grip felt awkward and the trigger felt weird, but that's not why I didn't buy one. I didn't buy one simply because I just didn't like it. I could make innumerable excuses for why I pass on buying one, but I'm not going to do that. I just don't like them, period.
But because I feel that way, I'm not going to say they're junk. There's too much evidence to the contrary to conclude that. I'm happy that the majority of Glock owners really love their guns. So I respect them for being a hallmark of function and durability.
But, for me, I just don't like them.
I have handled them and thought that their grip felt awkward and the trigger felt weird, but that's not why I didn't buy one. I didn't buy one simply because I just didn't like it. I could make innumerable excuses for why I pass on buying one, but I'm not going to do that. I just don't like them, period.
But because I feel that way, I'm not going to say they're junk. There's too much evidence to the contrary to conclude that. I'm happy that the majority of Glock owners really love their guns. So I respect them for being a hallmark of function and durability.
But, for me, I just don't like them.
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I admire your effort. Alas, the various grip length Glocks only change the grip length and height of the butt swell relative to each other. They do not change the grip circumference, nor the angle.
With a grip reduction you permanently alter the frame. If it doesn't work you've ruined the gun, and destroyed the resale value. Glock needs to take a clue from S&W, Walther, and FN; they need to offer changeable backstraps. With these you can change the grip without permanent modification to the frame. Heck, you can even order spares and play with adding material to or removing material from these to get a custom fit. With other pistols you can change the grips and/or mainspring housing to fit the gun to you.
True enough, but the height of the hump in the rear of the frame can change the way the gun points depending on the shape and size of your hand. Grip reductions also modify the "pointability" of the gun.
I used to hate Glocks with an unrivaled passion. Then I realized they are just another tool. I now carry a G19 and it works just peachy, even if it is butt ugly, has no soul, and the trigger sucks.
CountGlockula
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I try to help as much as I can, but it all boils down to individual preference.
I brought those other options as to how to make it better for others. For me, I'm content with a stock Glock. And I've shot with Hogue grips, grip stippling and different size models.
I'm very fortunate to be able to grip them all well...including Hks, 1911A1s, Rugers, XDs, S&Ws, Sigs, etc. Maybe I'm not as picky.
By the way, I'm 6'1 driving a Nissan Xterra where my right knee hits the bottom of the speedometer console and I'm as comfortable as a baby to a crib. Pissing match over.
I brought those other options as to how to make it better for others. For me, I'm content with a stock Glock. And I've shot with Hogue grips, grip stippling and different size models.
I'm very fortunate to be able to grip them all well...including Hks, 1911A1s, Rugers, XDs, S&Ws, Sigs, etc. Maybe I'm not as picky.
By the way, I'm 6'1 driving a Nissan Xterra where my right knee hits the bottom of the speedometer console and I'm as comfortable as a baby to a crib. Pissing match over.
We don't hate Glocks here, as a rule.
We also don't fawn over them, as a rule.
They are a tool, and like any tool, they have advantages and disadvantages.
If you expect rapid fanboyism, you're going to be disappointed. If you expect gallons of Hateraide, you're also going to be disappointed.
Mike
PS Full disclosure: I own, and really like, a G20, and I fully believe that "Glocks don't fit my hand". Not just the G20.
We also don't fawn over them, as a rule.
They are a tool, and like any tool, they have advantages and disadvantages.
If you expect rapid fanboyism, you're going to be disappointed. If you expect gallons of Hateraide, you're also going to be disappointed.
Mike
PS Full disclosure: I own, and really like, a G20, and I fully believe that "Glocks don't fit my hand". Not just the G20.
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