Bias Against Glocks or Is It Just Me?
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MICHAEL T
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Glock the ugly side of the Hi Point family.
Just had to say that
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They don't feel right in my hand The grip angle wrong and no safety belongs on a trigger and I really don't like poly pistols
You keep your Glocks I'll keep my Colts ,Dan Wesson, and Kimber.
Just had to say that
. They don't feel right in my hand The grip angle wrong and no safety belongs on a trigger and I really don't like poly pistols
You keep your Glocks I'll keep my Colts ,Dan Wesson, and Kimber.
Gaston Glock was a trail blaster. He used modern materials, modern manufacturing methods, and came up with a concept that was actually revolutionary.
Regardless of the merits of his pistols, I don’t care for any of these DAO type pistols. I have enough mechanical aptitude that I can operate a pistol with a safety. If I wanted to.
I like a clean, short, trigger pull. I demand accuracy. I prefer reliability. My revolvers have outstanding triggers, are very accurate, and are totally reliable. I have a couple of M1911’s that I play with.
Half plastic high capacity bottom feeders. Bah!
Regardless of the merits of his pistols, I don’t care for any of these DAO type pistols. I have enough mechanical aptitude that I can operate a pistol with a safety. If I wanted to.
I like a clean, short, trigger pull. I demand accuracy. I prefer reliability. My revolvers have outstanding triggers, are very accurate, and are totally reliable. I have a couple of M1911’s that I play with.
Half plastic high capacity bottom feeders. Bah!
ceadermtnboy
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Glocks are great! They shoot accurately enough (do a decent job at what they are designed for ) and will take any kind of abuse you through at it. That sounds like a girl I used to ugh! go out with some times at my conveniece. She was fat and ugly and even though I treated her like crap most of the time, she continued to work if I needed her. However, I married my wife. She was pretty, slim, a little picky about me taking good care of her, but when I did she made me feel good about having her! Well I quit seeing that girl. Sold my glock. Got married. Bought a 1911. Life has been great ever since!
DougDubya
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Uhm... too square?
We must not be handling the same glocks, or you guys are holding it by the slide and not the grip.
We must not be handling the same glocks, or you guys are holding it by the slide and not the grip.
DawgFvr
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A chimp can grip a glock. A human that does not have the basic ability to adapt is at a terrible disadvantage...really Ugy...this is such a simple skill. tsk, tsk...
I don't get it??? The Glock grip is shaped "exactly" like the hi-cap magazine that goes in it, and not one single person has said anything bad about how uncomfortable a mag feels when you hold it in your fist. Many of my auto pistols have very uncomfortable mags in them...mainly due to the square corners. Out of curiosity, does anyone have square corners in the palm of your hands?
Well, here's my $.02 cents on it:
I think Glocks are great handguns that are sturdy, reliable, and dependable. But, I personally do not like them. I find them a bit too basic for their price. Perhaps I'm spoiled, but I am accustomed to polymer guns coming with adjustable backstraps, and I do like my fully supported chambers. And some just personal preference but I think that a pin gun should have at least 2 safeties, A trigger safety is an accident waiting to happen in my opinion.
I think Glocks are great handguns that are sturdy, reliable, and dependable. But, I personally do not like them. I find them a bit too basic for their price. Perhaps I'm spoiled, but I am accustomed to polymer guns coming with adjustable backstraps, and I do like my fully supported chambers. And some just personal preference but I think that a pin gun should have at least 2 safeties, A trigger safety is an accident waiting to happen in my opinion.
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Raw grip, and a proper firing grip are two different things. I can shoot Glocks okay, but I can shoot other guns better. I can squeeze my size 10 4E foot into a 9 B shoe, but it's not in the least comfortable. Why do you think there are so many differently sized and shaped grips for common revolvers? Why do you think every RFI and RFP in the last few years for a concept military pistol has specified the capability to change the grip so that it fits from the 5th to 95th percentile of hand sizes? Why does body armor come in different sizes? Uniforms, Boots, Etc? Why does your vehicle have a seat that at minimum slides back and fourth and has a way to adjust the back angle. I can stick a chimp in a Humvee and he can grasp the steering wheel, reach the pedals, and reach the shift lever. It doesn't mean he can drive that Humvee. Humans are all shaped differently. If you can't grasp this concept I don't know what else to say.
JohnBT
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"A chimp can grip a glock. A human that does not have the basic ability to adapt is at a terrible disadvantage...really Ugy...this is such a simple skill. tsk, tsk..."
A chimp can grip a banana, but we're discussing guns, human hands, biomechanics and optimum user systems. Go reread my earlier post about most people being able to wrap their body around most any gun, but how a gun that really fits makes shooting, accurate shooting, so much easier.
Tsk, tsk? You sound like an old school marm.
I used to believe that logical reasoning was a simple skill, but maybe I've been wrong all these years.
John
A chimp can grip a banana, but we're discussing guns, human hands, biomechanics and optimum user systems. Go reread my earlier post about most people being able to wrap their body around most any gun, but how a gun that really fits makes shooting, accurate shooting, so much easier.
Tsk, tsk? You sound like an old school marm.
I used to believe that logical reasoning was a simple skill, but maybe I've been wrong all these years.
John
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i like 1911's i like glocks, i dont like "accuratized" finicky target pistols that jam all the time. i think the original issue 1911 with all the slop between the parts was just as good as the glock (and probably just as accurate).
say gaston had brought the glock to market with a regular barrel, alloy frame and grip angle similar to a 1911 would the gun be great or would just as many people still hate it because its so successful?
is the xd so successful because the grip and barrel make that much of a difference or people just want to spite glock?
say gaston had brought the glock to market with a regular barrel, alloy frame and grip angle similar to a 1911 would the gun be great or would just as many people still hate it because its so successful?
is the xd so successful because the grip and barrel make that much of a difference or people just want to spite glock?
Dingdingding.
It's not a question of whether or not you CAN adapt your grip to fit the gun. It's a question of whether or not you should have to do so, when there are other acceptable options available. If the grip fits you and you shoot the gun well, great. If the grip doesn't fit you and you shoot something else better, then shoot something else.
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JohnBT
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"or would just as many people still hate it because its so successful?"
People have listed specific problems they have with the guns and yet you're still claiming mnay people hate it because it's successful?
Why is it when it comes to Glocks there is always someone (or two, or three, etc.) who won't listen to specific user complaints? You know, we're not idiots, not petulant little kids and not willing to be dismissed by the use of inaccurate comments. Facts matter.
The Glock is successful and the 10/22 is successful and I haven't found a good use for either one yet based on my needs. I'm am selfish and self-centered when it comes to guns - I don't buy them based on how many other people like them. Only if I do. Don't take it so personally.
Anybody else noticed how many vendors provide Glock grip reductions? Lots. And I don't even have small hands. I wear XL gloves.
John
People have listed specific problems they have with the guns and yet you're still claiming mnay people hate it because it's successful?
Why is it when it comes to Glocks there is always someone (or two, or three, etc.) who won't listen to specific user complaints? You know, we're not idiots, not petulant little kids and not willing to be dismissed by the use of inaccurate comments. Facts matter.
The Glock is successful and the 10/22 is successful and I haven't found a good use for either one yet based on my needs. I'm am selfish and self-centered when it comes to guns - I don't buy them based on how many other people like them. Only if I do. Don't take it so personally.
Anybody else noticed how many vendors provide Glock grip reductions? Lots. And I don't even have small hands. I wear XL gloves.
John
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nothing to see here, these aren't the droids you are looking for
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Northalius
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Y'see, this is where I bring up facts about Glocks, not "Blind faith, Kool Aid drinking, FANBOY bs" like others might spread sometimes, or others might say they hear a lot, etc.
Why get Glock if you really want something else? What splits them apart from (imo) all others? This'll be a "full package" type reason as to why, so no one jump on me picking one or two reasons I post for owning a Glock, because it's not just one or two reasons, but many more. Okay?
Well, let's see, for me:
1) Glocks are WELL-KNOWN for their reliability.
2) Glocks are WELL-KNOWN for their simplicity.
3) Glocks are WELL-KNOWN for their durability.
4) Glocks are WELL-KNOWN for their higher-than-usual capacity of rounds.
5) Glocks are WELL-KNOWN for their very reasonable price for such great performance.
6) Glocks are WELL-KNOWN to have a HUGE aftermarket for enhancement AND replacement parts.
7) Glocks are WELL-KNOWN to've pioneered most of what is mentioned above.
8) Glocks are WELL-KNOWN for their torture tests.
9) GLOCK have two very GOOD 10mm platforms (Glock 20 full size, and Glock 29 sub compact for CCW) to use, which're THE ONLY durable, reliable and simple 10mm platforms in existence, that I know of. Even Ted Nugent loves his Glock 20 for hunting, and he's NO gun novice... THAT'S for sure. I am in good company here.
10) Glocks have calibers of .357 SIG, 10mm, .45 ACP, .45 GAP, 9mm and .40 S&W (.380, as well, but can't be shipped to the U.S. due to traitorous, unconstitutional laws and rules enforced by ATF)., which also are in the sub compact, compact, standard, some in competition size, and some in "long" (6" barrel) size.
11) Then you see so many police agencies around the country and world STILL using Glocks after 20+ years? So many competition shooters using Glocks after SO many years? So many civilians STILL using Glocks after so many years?
I mean, seriously, if Glocks were crap and there were simply "blind, dumb, kool aid drinking" morons spreading garbage, then Glock wouldn't be so popular today, would they? There's a very good reason why they're so popular. I know, popularity alone isn't good enough reason, but with all the facts I stated above to back that popularity? I don't think I have to say much more on that subject.
P.S. Glock has SF ("Short Frame = grip is shorter, front to back) models now, but in .45 ACP models so far; I believe they're planning to make them in other caliber models, as well. But one can simply heat up the back of the grip (when fully unloaded, of course) and push in that "hump" down there. The hump is there because there's a hole there; the hole is there so one can slip their finger inside and grasp the magazine in case it somehow gets jammed inside.
I've seen women shooting Glock 20's, and have read someone say they let a 16 yr old girl shoot his Glock 20 with no problems whatsoever. So, those gun owners complaining about "feel" are just nitpicking on that, and that alone. The gun can easily be shot IF you give it a chance. However, many of the nitpickers already have bias against Glocks, and then they hype the "feel" up so much, and thus give up before giving it a chance. The guns can be easily shot by ANYone, if given the chance. So many police departments have people with ALL different sized hands, yet I don't see them dropping Glocks because of complainers talking about "awkward feel"... do you? That's because, if given the chance, the Glock can be an accurate, GREAT shooting (not just "feeling") pistol.
If Glock didn't have the whole package stated above, and were EXACTLY like other guns, then I can see how others would rightly justify "feel" in not wanting Glocks. But "feel" is no where in sight once you see the multitude of other positives the Glock has over other gun brands. Yeah, they're now going to label me a Glock fanboy now, for saying that. It's the truth, however... whether they'd like to know it now, or later... but it's not changing.
Northalius
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Those worried about no safety, are also those that lack confidence in keeping their finger off the trigger until on target and ready to fire! So, is it the gun? Or the person? There're those that say they don't like guns because that little projectile that comes flying out of the barrel at 1000+ fps is dangerous and can kill people; is it the person that murders, or the bullet? It's the person. Same argument.
P.S. I know about the Glock kB stories, blah blah. Ever think of this: There're more Glock kB! stories, because... well, there're SO many more Glocks being used around the country compared to ANY other pistol? I believe over 70% of police departments use Glocks today... that's A LOT!
Just like you hear more about car crashes than motorcycle crashes; why? More cars being used today, than motorcycles. Simple.
It's funny, because if Glocks were to really blame, then you know you'd expact AT LEAST 85% of ALL police departments to drop Glock since they're "constantly kBing on them" right? But we don't see that happening, now do we? Ah, didn't think so.
There're people that said they shoot lead rounds ALL the time, but they just have to clean the barrel more thoroughly afterward. There're people that shoot reloads ALL THE TIME with stock Glock barrels... they just use good, strong brass, and do not make the rounds TOO hot.
Again, people let BS get ahold of them, and become scared of Glocks. It's almost no different than the gun-grabbers listening to hyped up stories on guns supposedly murdering people... so they don't want anything to do with ANY guns at all. Are they logical in your point of view now? If not, then now consider how you look at Glocks because of the hyped up stories spread around the 'net, and then compare their huge success in the other direction. Now, when you come to reality, you see Glocks aren't the problem.
P.S. I know about the Glock kB stories, blah blah. Ever think of this: There're more Glock kB! stories, because... well, there're SO many more Glocks being used around the country compared to ANY other pistol? I believe over 70% of police departments use Glocks today... that's A LOT!
Just like you hear more about car crashes than motorcycle crashes; why? More cars being used today, than motorcycles. Simple.
It's funny, because if Glocks were to really blame, then you know you'd expact AT LEAST 85% of ALL police departments to drop Glock since they're "constantly kBing on them" right? But we don't see that happening, now do we? Ah, didn't think so.
There're people that said they shoot lead rounds ALL the time, but they just have to clean the barrel more thoroughly afterward. There're people that shoot reloads ALL THE TIME with stock Glock barrels... they just use good, strong brass, and do not make the rounds TOO hot.
Again, people let BS get ahold of them, and become scared of Glocks. It's almost no different than the gun-grabbers listening to hyped up stories on guns supposedly murdering people... so they don't want anything to do with ANY guns at all. Are they logical in your point of view now? If not, then now consider how you look at Glocks because of the hyped up stories spread around the 'net, and then compare their huge success in the other direction. Now, when you come to reality, you see Glocks aren't the problem.
Experienced shooters, when looking to purchase, pick up a gun, point it at something, and if it doesn't feel natural, it goes back on the counter.
Doesn't matter how many "positives" there are.
The Glock must feel right to some people, but if it doesn't feel right to you, there's no compelling reason to buy one. Ditto for anything else, including a $2500 1911.
Doesn't matter how many "positives" there are.
The Glock must feel right to some people, but if it doesn't feel right to you, there's no compelling reason to buy one. Ditto for anything else, including a $2500 1911.
Northalius
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Last I checked, guns weren't created to feel alone, but to shoot. Yeah, you can bring up stories on how people didn't shoot Glocks well because of the feel, just as I can bring up stories about how people "hated" the feel of Glock grip, yet loved Glocks only after they shot them at the range.
Again, with all the positives mentioned in my first post, and with seeing police departments filled with ALL different shapes and sizes of peoples' hands holding Glocks, it seems they're not dropping Glocks in a heartbeat because other guns feel better in their hands... huh?
Again, Glocks are awesome once you GIVE them a chance, and see all the positives they have going for them, as mentioned in my first post.
Anyone that dismisses a Glock simply and solely because of "ugly looks," ? Even in light of all the other things the Glock has going for it? Wow... I don't know how old they are in body... but in mind, they must be pretty young... that's for sure.
Again, with all the positives mentioned in my first post, and with seeing police departments filled with ALL different shapes and sizes of peoples' hands holding Glocks, it seems they're not dropping Glocks in a heartbeat because other guns feel better in their hands... huh?
Again, Glocks are awesome once you GIVE them a chance, and see all the positives they have going for them, as mentioned in my first post.
Anyone that dismisses a Glock simply and solely because of "ugly looks," ? Even in light of all the other things the Glock has going for it? Wow... I don't know how old they are in body... but in mind, they must be pretty young... that's for sure.
Guns only shoot straight and quick if they feel right. Glocks don't feel right to a good number of people. They don't point naturally for me. Lots of other guns do. I'd love to have a gun made in the world's greatest nation, Austria, but only if it points well for me. So I have a German gun instead. And we Austrians don't like the !@#$ing Germans very much. Well, other than the Bavarians, who are okay.
And, while I didn't think so before, now you're starting to sound like a fanboy.
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CountGlockula
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LOL!
Northalius
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ArmedBear, that's most likely because you're simply used to other "straighter angled" grips. It's that simple. It's all in how you stand, as well. The "over 70% of police departments in the U.S. use Glocks" point is very important. If the Glock grip was that bad, as to what you're trying to make it seem like, then... again: They'd drop the Glock for something that "points more naturally" wouldn't they? Sure! But they don't.
If you grew up with holding Glocks, and Glocks alone, then you'd not say "they don't point naturally for me" because your body has become accustomed to the angle. We can do this now, even after holding grips which're straight; it just takes patience and a non-biased person to see.
Fanboys are morons that follow something blindly, like dumb sheep; they dont give good reasons for why they like what they like. I, however, can (and have already) bring up plenty of reasons for why I beieve Glock is the greatest pistol today "for me", and why others don't like Glocks, and those reasons they give are simply petty when you look at all the other things Glock has, compared. If they give Glock a chance, then they'll realize this; until they do, then they'll simply keep living in the dark.
P.S. to add more good additions for owning Glocks: Glock 20 and 29 can have 9x25 conversion barrels put inside them, if anyone wants the true rival to the .357 Magnum in their semi-auto pistol. They now also have a .50 cal conversion for Glock 20's. The smaller Glocks can, of course, share magazines from bigger models. You can buy 25 round mags for the .45 ACP Glock models, 29 round magazines for the .40 Glock models, 33 round mags for the 9mm Glock models. Glock also has a full-automatic 9mm model, the Glock 18, which is sadly not allowed to be owned by the vast majority of Americans... again, due to traitorous, unconstitutional laws and rules, enforced by the ATF.
There's a lot going for Glock in general.
If you grew up with holding Glocks, and Glocks alone, then you'd not say "they don't point naturally for me" because your body has become accustomed to the angle. We can do this now, even after holding grips which're straight; it just takes patience and a non-biased person to see.
Fanboys are morons that follow something blindly, like dumb sheep; they dont give good reasons for why they like what they like. I, however, can (and have already) bring up plenty of reasons for why I beieve Glock is the greatest pistol today "for me", and why others don't like Glocks, and those reasons they give are simply petty when you look at all the other things Glock has, compared. If they give Glock a chance, then they'll realize this; until they do, then they'll simply keep living in the dark.
P.S. to add more good additions for owning Glocks: Glock 20 and 29 can have 9x25 conversion barrels put inside them, if anyone wants the true rival to the .357 Magnum in their semi-auto pistol. They now also have a .50 cal conversion for Glock 20's. The smaller Glocks can, of course, share magazines from bigger models. You can buy 25 round mags for the .45 ACP Glock models, 29 round magazines for the .40 Glock models, 33 round mags for the 9mm Glock models. Glock also has a full-automatic 9mm model, the Glock 18, which is sadly not allowed to be owned by the vast majority of Americans... again, due to traitorous, unconstitutional laws and rules, enforced by the ATF.
There's a lot going for Glock in general.
You said your piece before. Now you're just digging yourself deeper.
What you're saying is that, if someone has no other handguns and he's never learned to shoot a pistol, he could probably learn to shoot a Glock as well as the average cop can. I'd quit there.
What you're saying is that, if someone has no other handguns and he's never learned to shoot a pistol, he could probably learn to shoot a Glock as well as the average cop can. I'd quit there.
Northalius
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Digging myself deeper? Please show me specific areas where I'm actually being unreasonable? I'd love to see it.
Cops have to qualify for accuracy every year (or every 6 months, I believe, so some?), and I'm sure if Glock accuracy was bad "because of unnatural feel" then police departments would drop them.
I think you just have so much bias against Glock, that you can't take hearing such truth... so you label me a fanboy, and supposedly digging myself deeper? Heh. Nice try though.
Cops have to qualify for accuracy every year (or every 6 months, I believe, so some?), and I'm sure if Glock accuracy was bad "because of unnatural feel" then police departments would drop them.
I think you just have so much bias against Glock, that you can't take hearing such truth... so you label me a fanboy, and supposedly digging myself deeper? Heh. Nice try though.
Hawk
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Yup. Fanboy.
Don't you think "petty" is a pretty subjective term when discussing someone else's reasons?
As others have noted, there's no bias against Glocks on the forum of which I'm aware. There is a mild bias against fanboys of any stripe. I had a Glock for several years and thought it was servicable. However, I could never warm up to the trigger which felt like trying to snap a wishbone embedded in a sponge. While I could no doubt eventually get used to it I saw no reason to do so if the STI trigger suited me better and didn't require a learning curve of any type.
While a nice trigger is important to me I'd grant that it's probably "petty" to many others.
But if you really want to know how it feels to be a "man without a country" in the caliber and pistol wars try my selection - an STI VIP. It's polymer, holds 12 rounds of something other than .45ACP (.40 S&W, actually), has no bushing, has a ramped barrel, non-changeable grip panels and a guide rod that defies description. You'll find no comfort in the 1911 camp as it differs in too many fundamental ways from a JMB 1911 but still has insufficient polymer and far too many manual safeties to be welcome in the polymer camps. Sure, XD owners will split a beer with you but they won't let you date their sister.
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