California does it again: passed the ammo bill.

[444]

What if you police brass from a range to handload?

"The new technology, microstamping, uses powerful lasers to make extremely precise, microscopic engravings on a handgun's firing pin or inside the firing chamber."

I guess that would depend on whether the microstamp is on the firing pin or on the chamber wall. If it is on the firing pin then no, only the number of the last gun to fire the round would be on the primer. Obviously, if the stamp is inside the chamber then the case would have multiple stamps assuming the case had been fired multiple times in a gun that was made after this law came into effect and that the gun had not been altered. As far as using brass from a police range (mentioned in another post), that is assuming that the police are using guns with this technology and the gun that previously fired the round was new enough to have this technology and it hadn't been modified. It would seem to me that handloading police range brass would just give another clue: this was fired by gun X, the case was picked by someone with access to range X who is also a handloader....................

Obviously this is only going to work if someone is using a handgun they legally purchased, and the handgun was made after this goes into effect, and it the handgun has not been modified. Equally obvious is that if they made modifying the gun illegal (which they will), I am sure that anyone wanting to illegally shoot someone else would be stopped cold at the idea of breaking the law by modifying the gun. But again, that is all obvious to those of us blessed with brains.

California currently has a law requiring handguns sold there to pass some kind of drop test or something. That limited the types of guns sold in that state to guns that the manufacturer was willing to submit for testing. This law is going to further limit the guns sold in that state to guns that have already passed the previous drop test or whatever it is AND is willing to use this new firing pin engraving.

 

[Nathan Williams]

Ah well back to the good old days of black powder drive byes for Kali gangbangers I guess.

What goes clip clop clip clop bang bang?

An amish drive bye

 

[PinnedAndRecessed]

California currently has a law requiring handguns sold there to pass some kind of drop test or something. That limited the types of guns sold in that state to guns that the manufacturer was willing to submit for testing.

Plus, they passed into law that as of 2007, all semiautomatic handguns have a) a loaded chamber indicator and b) a magazine disconnect.

That's going to guarantee the elimination of all but a few currently available semiautos since no way the major manufacturers are going to retool for every single model.

Plus the added cost for the above improvements, plus the cost for the new legal firing pin, is going to completely eliminate the lower end semiauto handguns. Because these lower end handguns will now be too expensive for their target clientele.

Kal pols are going to eliminate all firearms unless Kal firearms owners get on the ball. There are enough firearms owners in Kal to start their own political party if they just cared enough to do it.

But as a whole, they just don't care enough to do it. I lived there until late last year and their philosophy was they didn't much care was Sac did unless it impacted "their own" guns.

 

[pax]

Didn't see it coming ...

Why not??

Isn't there a single gunowner in that entire overcrowded state ... just one person ... who is willing to keep an alert and dedicated eye on what the critters in Sac are up to?

It only takes one person to sound the alarm about something like this.

Apparently there's not even one gunowner in the entire state who cares enough to do the work it would take.

Without such work, freedom dies.

pax

 

[orangelo]

Any gun manufacturer that goes along with this crap just to appease the west coast communists loses my business forever. I own ZERO ruger products, and I have 1 Smith & Wesson model 19-3 made in 1974. Of course since I don't waste money on products from those backstabbing companies that leaves me plenty of money to buy Class 3 goodies. I'll probably be getting a Barrett in the near future, just because Ron Barrett doesn't take that kind of crap from the California kommies.

Are the police departments exempt from that garbage? Or do they have to purchase weapons with those boondoggles installed too?

I'm guessing they can probably purchase and carry regular guns, since they can get AR-15s and .50BMG rifles that are considered too dangerous for the peasants to own.

 

[Sawdust]

Easy, Pax. Take a breath.

Not everything in the gun world takes place at THR.

Lots of discussion of this and other CA legislation at www.calguns.net


Sawdust

 

[Nathan Williams]

I support Barret after their decision not to sell to gov depts in Kali.

 

[pax]

Lots of discussion of this and other CA legislation at www.calguns.net

Okay, so you did all see it coming.

In that case, why weren't you shouting it from the rooftops? Why wasn't it cross-posted to all the busiest firearms discussion sites on the 'net, so that you could all coordinate your calls to your legiscritters offices?

Again, it would only take one person to spot what the critters were up to and alert others. And it would only take a couple of others to scream bloody murder throughout the firearms blogosphere.

But no one did it.

"Stand and fight" my left toenail. Blech.

pax

 

[50 Shooter]

And if anyone took the time to stop bashing Kali and did some reading they would know that it's not over.

Stand up and fight all you Kali people, get off THR and get on Calguns.net! Call, or write your assembly member, don't waste time with emails!

For all you haters out there. http://calnra.com/legs.shtml?year=2006&summary=ab352

 

[orangelo]

California is a lost cause. The simple truth is:

"stand and fight" californians = bonus electoral college votes for gore, kerry and klinton

Not much else to it.

 

[PinnedAndRecessed]

Isn't there a single gunowner in that entire overcrowded state ... just one person ... who is willing to keep an alert and dedicated eye on what the critters in Sac are up to?

Truth is the entire state is slowly eliminating the shooting sports/ownership of guns.

The DOJ is hounding FFLs out of business. In order to get a new FFL, govt officials notify everyone within 100 yards of your proposed place of biz to see if anyone objects. And that's the easy part.

The megarapid housing boom is shutting down gun ranges. I attended a meeting re a gun range in Modesto where people who have moved in decided they were "uncomfortable" with the range. In spite of their inaccuracies the range was shut down. That is becoming a very common scenario throughout the state.

Kal also changes the laws so frequently about such things as how to legally transport your firearms that not even law enforcement knows what's legal and what isn't. I got to where I was calling local LEOs before I left the house to go to a range to see if I was legal. They'd have to transfer me two or three times before someone could answer.

It's obviously getting to the point where, since there are fewer and fewer places to shoot, fewer and fewer people even care about guns.

 

[pax]

50 Shooter ~

Just to be clear, I am not "bashing" Cali, the state.

I am very plainly and clearly bashing the Cali gun owners who were and are too #%^& LAZY and SELFISH and DISINTERESTED in their own government to get off their fat behinds and do any work to kill this sort of legislative nonsense and to keep killing it until it stays dead.

Yeah, I'm cruel and all that. But every time someone mentions the word "California" on this board, two very predictable things happen:

1) someone who doesn't live there says, "You should just leave."

2) a chorus of Californians reply, "No, you should have stayed and fought. That's why we're staying!"

I'm only pointing out what an empty lie that is. It's so hollow it echooooeees. If all you California-defenders really stayed in California to fight, why do the rest of us only hear the complaints when you've lost another one? Why don't we ever hear the grunts of effort to prevent such losses in the first place?

To be fair, I realize THR ain't the be-all and end-all of the gun world or even of the online gun world. But do you all really believe that every gun owner in Cali reads Calguns? I doubt it.

Or are you so complacent that it never occurs to you that you all need to drum up as much noise as possible for every single one of these outrages and recruit more help to fight them -- and that that means you should be talking about such efforts everywhere you go, in an attempt to gather up the missing Cali gun owners and bring them into the fight, too?

I take a walk around the firearms blogosphere nearly every day. If any one of you "stand and fight" people were actually standing and fighting, I think there would have been some whisper of the effort elsewhere. Either y'all were totally blindsided, or no one in your world made even a minor attempt to get the word out to other gun owners somewhere online.

Sorry if those are harsh words. I'd like to be proven wrong. Stand and fight, you "stand and fight" people. Prove to me how wrong I am.

Don't whine. Get up and DO.

pax

 

[Henry Bowman]

As I understood the original bill, Police were NOT exempt. It only makes sence that individual LEO brass needs to be accounted for at a scene.

Does anyone know if this is still the case?

 

[50 Shooter]

Pax,
I'll give you the one about "some" Kali gun owners, as you can tell people think this is over. There is still time to fight it in the Assembly, if it goes further than that it still has to pass Arnie. Personally if it gets to Arnie I'm sure it's a done deal, the Dem in him (frankenswine) will show if he needs something.

The sad part is that there are to many gun owners that sit on the wrong side of the fence. They would give up their guns if told to do so tomorrow, on top of that not enough of them vote to help us out.

 

[Nightfall]

So I wonder how big an investment this microstamping laser equipment is. How many mfgs are going to shell out so they can sell their handguns in CA, on top of all the other hoops they already have to jump thru?

The antis can't quite get an outright handgun ban in Cali, so they're happily killing private ownership by a thousand cuts. Boy howdy, it looks to be workin' well too.

 

[pax]

I'll give you the one about "some" Kali gun owners, as you can tell people think this is over. There is still time to fight it in the Assembly, if it goes further than that it still has to pass Arnie.

Say it louder, brother.

Say it and keep saying it.

Who do you need people to contact? Which legiscritters are up for re-election this fall? Which ones are vulnerable to a little arm-twisting? When is it going to the Assembly? When's the next hearing? Who's the legiscritter in charge of it?

Say it louder. Say it everywhere. Keep saying it.

Get that word out!

pax

 

[ArmedBear]

I am very plainly and clearly bashing the Cali gun owners who were and are too #%^& LAZY and SELFISH and DISINTERESTED in their own government to get off their fat behinds and do any work to kill this sort of legislative nonsense and to keep killing it until it stays dead.

Yeah, I'm cruel and all that. But every time someone mentions the word "California" on this board, two very predictable things happen:

Pax, you are clueless.

The majority of our legislators here have no interest in representing gun owners. It's a permanent majority, at least for this decade, and the culture of the legislature is utter comtempt for the citizens of the state. It doesn't MATTER how much hell is raised. NRA-ILA has been on this, CalGuns has been on this, GOCa, CRPA, and it doesn't matter because the majority of the legislature has authoritarianism as its objective, one bit at a time, no matter what we do or say. This bill is only a TINY part of that.

This is a list of the Assembly Bills currently in play:
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/bill/index_assembly_bill_author_topic

And here's what's in the State Senate:
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/bill/index_senate_bill_author_topic

You're assuming that our government is representative of the people of the state, at least to a degree. It's not. That's why we have so many propositions here. The only groups that have real power over the state are public employee unions.

You think that the fact that our legislators pass this sort of bill means that we don't care? Come here and see for yourself.

P.S., as far as Arnie is concerned, he is our only hope here. But I'm not banking on it, because lately he sounds like John Edwards. We'll try, though, and maybe it'll work better than the .50 BMG ban.

 

[50 Shooter]

Here's the link to the Assembly members, find yours and contact them!

http://nramemberscouncils.com/legs/asm.shtml

 

[pax]

ArmedBear ~

If it's that hopeless, why are you still there?

(Oh? To "stand and fight"? DO THAT. Don't whine about how hard the job is. Don't announce there's no point. Do it.)

Edited to add for clarity: I'm not upset at y'all because the legislation passed. I'm upset at y'all because not one of you saw fit to scream about it on either of the two busiest gun boards I know, before it passed.

pax

 

[Jorg Nysgerrig]

Hmmm.. Looks like we wont be getting any new handgun models here. I doubt manufacturers are going to go along with this just to make CA happy.

That's the plan, you see. That way California isn't stopping the sale of guns. The evil gun manufacturers just don't care enough about the safety of California's children to make the change.

California is trying to make it prohibitively expensive to be in the gun business in that state.

 

[pax]

50 Shooter ~

Not quite loud enough. Start a fresh thread, title something like: "California Gun Owners! Contact Your Representatives NOW!"

PM one of the L&P Moderators and request they make it a sticky.

Put a brief synopsis of the situation at the top of the post, starting with what you want people to DO about it.

Put your links next. Not too many links, and make sure they are clearly marked: "This link takes you to a page where you can find out who your Representative is and how to contact your Representative's office... This link explains more about the legislation... This link takes you to ________" (ArmedBear's post was an excellent example of this.)

pax

 

[Vitamin G]

I have to agree with Pax. Cali is a lost cause because it doesn't seem like most people CARE. Its unfortunate, but sometimes you have a lose a battle to win the war. Bail out! What we need is a counter offensive in some other state to swing the momentum. Not Montana or Wyoming or some small state. I mean something like a gun-friendly "mainstream" "moderate" state like PA or TX (someone with more than 3 electoral votes) passing laws de-regulating SBR's or permitting NFA weapons if they were built in-state, thus avoiding the interstate commerce crap.
I vote for PA, but i'm not biased or anything ;0

 

[ArmedBear]

If it's that hopeless, why are you still there?

Not to stand and fight: 50shooter wrote that, and I was the one who mocked the idea. California will have to spiral downward without us; it already is, and I'm not talking about gun laws. No new businesses are starting here, existing ones are leaving, and our last thread of hope, the Govenator, has joined the other side. Only by hitting "rock bottom" might the place change, but I doubt it.

I'm still here because something really important is already underway. Our midwife is here and we're having a son in a few months. Gotta use vacation time then; this is a bad time to quit the job.

After that, we already have plans to leave. Two scouting trips done already.

It's sad; this isn't the California I grew up in. It was a wonderful place. Living at the beach in San Diego doesn't suck, either; only the politics do.

 

[pax]

Vitamin G ~

I don't agree that Cali is a lost cause, and I don't think people should bail out.

I just think that if they're staying to stand and fight, then they should bloody well fight -- not go down with barely a whimper.

pax

 

[anotherKevin]

Why didn't we fight it?

Simple answer for me is that I checked the NRA california bills list yesterday, and it was listed as defeated. Like several other folks, I had no clue this was even out there.

However, I'm done with this state. The family completed one scouting trip a few weeks ago, we have another one late in the year, with a final one next spring.