Can My Employer Search My Car

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My wife pointed this out, my "friend" has seen the gun and can describe it well enough to prove she's seen it (I.O.W she has enough information to hem me up real bad) the last thing she expects is for me not to carry the gun it would go far better for me if she called the local PD to report a gun that wasn't there than one that was there.
 
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I'd stop carrying the firearm for a while (until this silliness blows over). Find something else to put in the lockbox/safe in your trunk -- extra cash, CD's, or other pilferable items you don't want stolen. If they want to search your car as a condition of your employment show them your trunk and if they insist open the box.

Next time keep it to yourself.
 
If you are not parked on company property what right do they have to search your vehicle? - It would be all the same if you had alcohol or something else in your vehicle that your employer banned while on company time. As long as it is not on their property they have no right to get into it for any reason. If you were parked at your home would you let them check it?. As far as firing you, in MIssouri, unless you have a contract with your employer they can let you go without any reason and you have no recourse.
 
At this point I think the issue is more the danger that having everyone I work with (at least) strongly suspecting there's a gun in my car poses. as opposed to some body searching my car for a gun that isn't there. AFAIC I learned two very good object lessons 1. concealed means CONCEALED 2. The people I work with are NOT my freinds they have no business in my car OR my private life
 
No, sorry. Gun owners are NOT a protected class. They can discriminate against you for being a gun owner and there is generally nothing you can do about it legally.

You need to be very careful about making bold statements like this. Employment law is complex, and unless you have legal training and know the specifics of a situation it's impossible to come to any reliable conclusions. Ordering a search could be OK, or it could be in violation of an express contract. It could be in violation of an implied covenant of good faith and fair dealing. If you have a serious question like this you really need to seek legal advice from an attorney in your jurisdiction.

True, very true. Possibly I should have reconsidered my statement before I posted.

But, since when was actual knowledge of a subject a requirement to post about it on the web?

Cosmoline is right. If you *really* want to know the answer, contact an attorney familiar with the relevant law in your state.

The rest of us are just talking out of our *****, more or less.
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+1 to Riverdog.

Let them search your car, and when they don't find anything, this person will loose their creditbility. Now if they continue with this nonsense, you may be looking at harrasment suite if you don't have one already.

Unless you are a bad employee and they are just looking to get rid of you, then you are screwed no matter what you do.

Good Luck
 
I would almost hope she tried to get the police after me if I were you. Since you are breaking no laws (right?) it proves harassment.

After finding a new job, I would file complaints left and right harassment, hostile environment, and discrimination. May or may not work, but payback is just fun.
 
I don't think I'm a bad employee, the kids love me & they listen to me & I do my paper work correctly and on time. I do a lot of the grunt work on campus cause I'm the only guy that works there.so I don't THINK performance is an issue.The issue that I see is that I got along fine W/ my "freind" ( she knew about the gun because I gave her a ride to work one day & I forgot & open the GB in front of her) until the day I told her that I had no intention of ever cheating on my wife that's when our relationship went down hill . Things that make you go hmmmmmmmm?
 
Don't sweat anything. You are legally carrying the gun in your car, parked on non-company property.

The worst case scenario is that you are fired. If that is the case, I'd sue the crap out of the company.

until the day I told her that I had no intention of ever cheating on my wife that's when our relationship went down hill

So your "friend" is using sexual harassment as a tool to keep you in line? That's not cool at all. If she ever brings up the gun, bring up this and your intention to reveal this to her superiors and/or a criminal court.

Don't sweat it. You are in the right.
 
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until the day I told her that I had no intention of ever cheating on my wife that's when our relationship went down hill

So your "friend" is using sexual harassment as a tool to keep you in line? That's not cool at all. If she ever brings up the gun, bring up this and your intention to reveal this to her superiors and/or a criminal court.

I missed this the first time around. Go to HR and immediately file a sexual harrassment claim against the troublemaker. Turn the tables on her, so to speak. There's no need to put up with stuff like this.

Bob
 
Yeah, I missed that too...

If you act on that make sure your own house is in order. It will become a "he said, she said" and your employer may decide that the safe action is to try to terminate you both, you for "weapons violations", and her for "sexual harrassment".
 
I work in a place that has a "no weapons " policy on company property . but I live an hour away and won't leave myself unarmed . So I came up with a simple solution that hasn't had to be tested yet . I have a lock box behind the truck seat where I put my gun before going on company property . If ever they would want to "search" my vehicle , I'll let them . And when they ask to see what's in the lock box , I simply can't open it since I don't have the key on me :rolleyes:

"But hey , I'll be sure to bring the key in tomorrow so you can have a look inside " :D
 
Legally it doesn't matter if you use your vehicle for company business or if you part on company property or not. According to the U.S. laws, if you own the vehicle and you say they do not have permission to search your vehicle, then they can not search it without a search warrant. If they do you can file charges against them for a "Unlawful Search And Seizure" <spelling> And if your employer decides to fire you for not letting them search your vehicle, then you can take them to court and sue them for unlawful and unjust job termination and you WILL WIN. Trust me my friend, unfortunately I've had to deal with this scenario in real life a few times before in real life. As long as you say "no" and they don't obtain a search warrant, they can't do a thing to you and if they do, you can take them to court and either file criminal charges, sue, or both. Don't simply roll over and play dead on this one! You have the upper hand on this one.
 
Trebor:

But, since when was actual knowledge of a subject a requirement to post about it on the web?

Knowledge of a subject was never a requirement to post about it on the web and still isn't. The web is the ultimate democracy. Everyone gets to have an opinion, everybody gets to express it, and all opinions are equal.

If anything, knowledge of a subject could be a disadvantage: a knowledgeable message might stifle discussion, if anyone paid attention to such a message, which fortunately happens so rarely that it's statistically insignificant.

In fact the less knowledgeable messages are perhaps the most valuable because they stimulate still more discussion and spur others to contribute misinformation and unfounded opinions.

The best messages on the web might be those that completely ignore the issue and allow the writer an opportunity for completely irrelevant self expression. This message could win an award for that class of message, if there were awards for such things, which there should be.

This is just my opinion, of course. :)
 
the company has had a 90% turn over rate since I started 2 months ago

This says everything about your employer here. A group home who cannot keep staff is no better than a mom who brings in any dirtbag off the street for 2 weeks at a time for the kiddies to call "Daddy".

Now she's giving you "The Treatment" because you're faithful to your wife (I'm gathering she had her eyes on you) is definitely sexual harassment.

Job hunting time, my friend.
 
i know that most cars have alarms now a days. but i advice to have an alarm system.

i was working at one of our locations with my car outside the restaurant. someone broke the window and opened the car door setting off the alarm. they ran away. i ran outside within one minute of the alarm going off. i never leave my gun inside a car without a lock box. they could just smash and grab with the alarm going off.
 
Seems more to this story than is being revealed, IMO. There has to be some reason for conflict. Unfortunately, if its 'office politics', there's little the 'accused' can do. Seems Ms has decided her private knowledge is a facile lever to remove an impediment or enemy. Best to 'move on' -quickly with a clean resume - and cite 'policy differences' as the reason......

Legally, depending upon the state laws prevailing and local ordinances, the 'accused' is perfectly within his rights, so long as he doesn't take that gun to work. However this tale addresses an aspect of law in flux. That is, how much control over an employee's personal life does the company have as a condition of employment ? Increasingly, courts are finding a very great deal.......

The most obvious is health maintenance. Many company's have instituted pogroms against alcohol use, smoking, overweight, lifestyle, etc on the basis of their health care costs. While arguing about alcohol abuse, etc may not get much sympathy, what about skiing, scuba diving, racing, flying, skydiving, or the shooting sports ? All of these can/have/are proscribed by various companies/insurors across the nation as posing 'unneccessary risk'.

With the advent of increasing genome knowledge, the specter of genetic proclivity to certain diseases/ailments is raised. Theoretically one could be fired/not hired because a blood relative succumbed to pancreatic cancer, or heart disease......Greed knows no boundaries, nor recognizes any constitutional rights, it seems. >MW
 
I'd make her life hell...


Go to your top boss and say to her, "Yes I have a gun in my car, she found out about it and said unless I had sex with her, she was going to get me fired..."

That seems to be what she is aiming for, the implication, she is trying to blackmail you for something, it's okay to just "extrapolate" a bit, and assume you know what is really going on, fully, when you may not...

She doesn't deserve any better...


Go for it...
 
I have a similar situation. The policy I signed and aggreed to says no guns on company property and the company has the right to search vehicles on company property. I park off campus. If they ask to search my car, I will simply tell them that I do not have a personal vehicle on company property.
 
First off I would ask my "friend" why she has it in for me all of the sudden. And I would do it in front of others in the office.

And second I would report it just the way EO in post #69 said.

I don't know how employable you are but if you can find other work I would do it right after reporting this to HR.
 
Frankly, the idea of all these dependent people being allowed to vote scares me and I think it's the single worst thing about the USA right now. Right up there with the "wars" against the population.

Agreed.

In order to avoid that dependence, in order to have a chance at your own freedom, you must give others their freedom. That includes giving employers the right to include employment conditions we'd rather they didn't have.

Beyond the obvious fact that we must accept the rights of others if we wish for them to accept ours, you get the more practical consideration: If excessive HR policies drive more people out of dependency... that sounds good to me.

Sounds good to me, but think of where these laws came from. As Robert Hairless has pointed out far better than I could in other related threads, during the industrial revolution, businesses and corporations had virtually unlimited power and there was no negotiation -- period. People were killed for agitating for better working conditions, living wages, items of safety and so on.

These laws are supposed to make things "more equal" for the employee, though the attitude is one mainly of minimum quality, maximum price, no matter what.

Since we cannot go to the work/labor model of the 1700's and 1800's, what can we do to be fair to the employee as well as employer? How about demolishing the concept of a corporation having rights as a human being, but not the corresponding responsibilities. If we limit the right to contract back to one human with another and not one human with a corporation, that may help balance things. Having many billions of dollars at one's disposal as well as the anonymity a corporation can provide gives rise to many of the problems we see.

Just my .02.

Oops. Sorry for going off topic.

If it were me, I'd persue the sexual harrassment angle to the hilt. I would also make sure I'm parked off company property and make them fire me. If you act fast on the sexual harrassment thing and you get fired for not allowing your off-site vehicle to be searched, you could draw inferences that the items are related. At least, they are related in my mind -- just providing enough evidence to make that relation in others' minds is difficult.
 
1. No gun in car for a good while.
2. Keep a log of any activity you have with this issue and with Ms. Douchbag
3. If they decide to search your car OFF of company property, then make them sign a waiver (that is if you have not signed a waiver that they may search your car off of company property...).
4. Brush up on your carry laws, bush up on school laws, bush up on sexual harassment laws.

Just a side note, as mentioned concealed means that. And also you have to remember that women nowadays have lots of power in the workplace with very little emotional restraint (against men or women). As a man there is very little you can do, you do the math. Find a different job ASAP, if it hurts the kids, tell your boss EXACTLY what happened (minimize the gun incident as a one time only thing...). Then report them to the BBB (if part of a state contracted company), State Educators Bureau, the Mayor and the Teachers union(s). They will LOVE that.
good luck
-bix
 
The kids are the reason I don't quit I also am NOT CARRYING at work for awhile & I avoid ol' girl like the plauge, she noticed and she aint happy ( I can't figure that one out)
 
treo,

Your career and well being are more important than these kids. If they cannot keep people there longer than 2 months the handwriting's on the wall about the general working conditions.

these places play on your good intentions to keep you there and take their crap.
 
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