If someone has to shoot anything over 7 yards, they can also run away.
Rather than debate the politics of requiring training, how about we keep the discussion on topic - what training do you have.
Your missing the point...not shooting well and not being able to hit a target in the CCW course (which is hard to believe that people could fail this) are two totally different things. If you can't pass the shooting requirement for the North Carolina CCW, it is my opinion that you are GROSSLY INCOMPETENT in regards to a firearm. Does a grossly incompetent person have the right to defend himself/herself...yes, but not with a firearm in CCW fashion.
Old Dog said:.ridata said:It is fairly likely that a majority of ccw holders on this board have above average training
Above what average?
I'm actually quite inclined to disagree with that statement, though.
I would not argue the vast majority of THR holders in all probability shoot their firearms quite often, possibly much more than the "average" American gunowner ...
... but, I'd like to see support for this idea that a majority of the THR membership (those having CHLs/CPLs/CWPs) have formal training above their states' mandated requirements.
Judging by how often folks hereabouts complain about the cost of ammo, the lack of training in their areas, the lack of places to shoot near their homes, and the lack of personal time they have to even get to the range as much as they desire ... I think that presuming that just because someone participates in an internet gun forum makes them more likely to have "above average" formal training with firearms is ... wrong.
Nickotym said: No offense Bullfrog Ken, but IMO the OP brought the politics into this discussion, so I think it legit to discuss that aspect of this issue.
vintage68 said: I've taken two or three ccw weekend courses for my various permits, and I always shudder at how easy they are to pass. Basically all you need to do is be a warm body, show up for the lecture, shoot at a target 5-7 yards away and score hits somewhere on the paper, and you're approved for your permit.
I've also taken courses at Frontsight and Gunsite, so as a civilian ccw holder I'm aware of how much I really didn't know before taking those courses and how much training I still need.
The point of all this? Well, I'm curious: If you have a permit to carry a concealed weapon, how much training have you had?