CMP Update on Carbines

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Will the gang bangers bother to clean all the cosmoline off?
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I can see it now...

"Thats my turf!" *Bang-splat*

"Aw! He hit me! He hit me! I got red stuff all over me...wait...what is this?"
 
Great Read

Hi all,

On the subject CMP web page (http://www.odcmp.com/rifles/carbine.htm) make sure and read the seven page article on Carbine accuracy.

It is a great article and sets expectations for accuracy, condition, and a few hints for wringing great shooting out of these 60 year old warriors.
 
This might be a dumb CMP question. I'm active military so with my ID card and copies of my range quals I meet the requirements to buy a gun. Do they sell them at the Ohio location and if I drop buy there can I buy one and walk out the door? They are going on sale right about the time I am transferring and I don't want to miss out on this.
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Active military or current guard/reserve status counts as both your firearms affiliated club status and your proof of firearms training (no need to bring the range quals).

When I bought my Greek Field Grade Garand at the South Store a while back, all I needed was current military ID and proof of citizenship. You don't even need the latter if you're commissioned. They do still run the standard phone in background check on you, regardless, though.
 
That is a great article. It sure isn't helping any of us trying to be patient though!
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Ding!Ding!Ding!

You got that right!

I was on the CMP forum the other day and the rumors were:

1) $550 for starters and then moving on up from there. Seemed a BIT steep to me, but we'll see.

2) Delayed until April or May. Which is just fine with me. I would like to save up a little more.
 
It's quite obvious to any fool that the demand is there. It's apparent that they are getting bombarded with emails and phone calls since the initial announcement. They had to create a whole new carbine section on the CMP forum. For their own sake, I hope these folks who keep bugging the CMP staff don't play poker. :rolleyes:

I'm sure they could sell every one of these even with prices starting at $700. The blood has been in the water a while now.
 
Here's a good status report on the carbines. The CMP guy confirmed the accuracy of it. Pricing hasn't been set though so it is an estimate:

http://www.jouster.com/cgi-bin/smallbore/smallbore.pl?read=13423

Here's a reply by the same guy to a question:

Yes, it came up, and they (Mr. Michaels and Mr. Johnson) both said that prices and limits were not finalized. Prices at the bottom end for an Inland mix-master would start around $550.00 and that there would be some sort of limits. The consensus of the class was that we could buy one as described locally for that. I personally would pay a premium for manufacturer selection and CMP Documentation. I have 4 makers and would like all 10. Before anyone flames me again, before I left, I stood in front of Orest wearing my name tag and told him I posted on CSP and gave him my CSP handle. If he would have wanted anything kept confidential he would/ should have told me then. I know it may surprise some folks, but the government leaks info all the time for various reasons.
 
2) Delayed until April or May. Which is just fine with me. I would like to save up a little more.


For once I hope this is true!

Horsesoldier, I don't know if you were commissioned or enlisted, but once again the enlisted guy has to jump through an extra hoop to prove we are "trustworthy". :rolleyes:

I'll ask again, has anyone used any of the 20 round mags floating around out there and how did they work out?

Can anyone get the carbine accuracy article to load? I tried yesterday and today and it just isn't working for me.
 
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The only reason for Officers not having to submit proof of citizenship is that ALL officers are US Citizens (natural born or naturalized) but not all enlisted personnell are US Citizens.
 
I'm seeing some very decent carbines at the local shows in the $600 range. If they price them at $550 or more, I won't even be slightly interested.

I just picked up a Saginaw korean-era build for $500 that's in good shape.

Getting greedy at the CMP, considering the purpose of the surplus sales was to sell us weapons to improve our marksmanship at a reduced price. It's about selling at market price, now, apparently.
 
Thumper,

I was being semi sarcastic when I made that comment because I was thinking of what an old Master Chief told me one time. I was all excited about getting my first good conduct medal and he asked me to think about what it really meant. A couple days went by and I couldn't figure out what he was talking about so I asked him about it. This is what he said to me, "If enlisted men get a medal for being 'good' every 3 years what was the expectation of our behavior when the awards board came up with the GCM?"
He was actually a big influence on me to NOT take a slot in OCS and to stick with being a BM and a surfman.

Am I the only one who can't get that carbine accuracy article to download?
 
Where in Ohio are you Swingset?

Pawn shops are so few and far here where I live I don't even think about them for gun purchases anymore. And asking less than MSRP at any of the gun shops I have seen here in northern CA is strictly verboten!
 
Where in Ohio are you Swingset?
Pawn shops are so few and far here where I live I don't even think about them for gun purchases anymore. And asking less than MSRP at any of the gun shops I have seen here in northern CA is strictly verboten!
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I'm in Central Ohio, but I didn't mention pawn shops so not sure what you're referring to. I see carbines at gun shows, and at a couple local shops that deal in surplus and .mil weapons. There's a dealer near me that specializes in M1's and Carbines...he's always got some good ones for $550-$650 if a shooter is what you're after.
 
Checked the FAQs, it did not specifically say the M1 carbines would only be at anniston--unless I'm reading it wrong......

...anyone know if they'll have them at the north store? all the FAQ said is that if you mail in your order, you cannot go in in person and get a different rifle.
 
All the above is interesting, but moot from my point of view. I see a fair number of M1 Carbines in the $600-700 range already. Why would CMP rifles be any better?
 
Can't understand why the American mil surps. are so darn expensive.
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They were made in huge numbers and are still abundant, like similar guns that can be had for 1/4 the price. So, it's not supply. That only leaves demand to explain the price.

People will charge it, and pay it, so they're worth it. I don't like it, don't always agree with the market on the value of a gun made in the millions, but that's the way it is.

The CMP however is another issue. They're not honoring the reason they were created, the idea was to sell US government weapons CHEAPLY so that everyone, anyone, could afford to own and learn to shoot a good weapon. Asking market price is an insult to the heritage of the organization, IMHO. They're certainly not operating on the low profit margin of a normal gun store or importer. These guns are not coming to the CMP at $450 wholesale.
 
#1, It's just a rumor and I won't bag on the CMP until they put out the prices.

#2, I'd still rather pay $550 for a CMP Service Grade Carbine than pay that to Billy Bob Gunshow for a carbine of questionable history.

Edited to add: I was upset when I saw $550 as a starting price assuming that that was going to be the Rack Grade price. But now that I see that only Service grades will be offered, I'm much better.
 
If CMP is asking a penny more than 400 bucks, and I'm sure they will, then they can keep them. $500+ is too much for a sight unseen rifle.

I've ordered two Garands from them in the past, one was a $400 Dane with a new VAR barrel, rough finish, beat up wood, but at least the barrel was new. I did ok on that one. The second Garand was a Service Grade for $500 that I got burned on. The rifle should have never been graded as a service grade. The barrel was a pitted sewer pipe with worn muzzle, and in my opinion wasn't worth the money.

For me to roll the dice again, the price has to be a lot better than over 500 bucks.
 
Trying to charge $500 is well and good for a certain level of demand, but they want to sell their whole supply eventually. If they only got 5000, I'm sure they'll sell out quickly. If they have 250,000, the price is going to have to be lower to approach any sort of equilibrium price.

Has anybody heard anything about supply? Their webpage just says a significant quantity. What's significant to the CMP?
RT
 
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