jobu07
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That broadcast was painful to sit through, but I had to do it so I could see the anti-rhetoric being put out.
CNN .50 ban tonight
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LiquidTension
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When it gets closer to time for them to pass any legislation re: these weapons, I'm gonna have to max out my credit card. That's gonna suck.
outofbattery
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That's the rub with this ; he flew to Texas , bought the gun and flew back . He certainly could be a TX resident and left that part out but my understanding is that this transaction was illegal if he is not a TX resident .
Bubbles
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I think both Barrett and MacMillan sold stripped receivers to shooters in Kali last fall for about 1/3 the price of the full rifle. These could later be built out as the owner's finances permitted.
Or you can get a single-shot MacMillan "tactical" action (no barrel no stock) for $2000. $500 down, $1500 on delivery, currently there's a six-month backlog on orders for them.
BTW I have no interest in the above companies. I know this b/c my husband is buying and building out his .50BMG rifle this way.
Brett Bellmore
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"When it gets closer to time for them to pass any legislation re: these weapons, I'm gonna have to max out my credit card. That's gonna suck."
If you do that, max it out to buy some machine tools; You can set up a basic machine shop, and home brew a perfectly good bolt action .50 BMG for about the same price as buying one, AND machine tools aren't registered yet in any state I know of.
Gets you a good second income if you want it, too; There's a lot of business out there for small machine shops, if you know where to look.
If you do that, max it out to buy some machine tools; You can set up a basic machine shop, and home brew a perfectly good bolt action .50 BMG for about the same price as buying one, AND machine tools aren't registered yet in any state I know of.
Gets you a good second income if you want it, too; There's a lot of business out there for small machine shops, if you know where to look.
So, I'm curious to see someone shoot a moving object, at what, about 300 miles an hour, from a mile away. Even a mere 1000 yards. Shooting sporting clays with a shotgun from 30 yards (100 feet) away isn't a sure thing by any means, even for those that do it all the time. The point about the WWII fighter planes using 6 50 cal machine guns wasn't a sure thing to hit, or down a plane, and from closer than a mile (or 1000 yards) was good.
Sounds a lot like the contrived stories about "plastic guns" being designed for terrorists to get by airport security, and so called "cop killer" bullets being sold to kill police officers. Or the hokey story about "semi-auto assault rifles" being capable of killing 30 people in 30 seconds. Never mind that none of these things ever happened. Best not to confuse the issue with the facts.
Did anyone else notice when the news conferences were popular about semi-auto assault rifles, and they had a big spread of the evil guns, and one of the guns displayed on the table was a Thompson Center contender, a SINGLE SHOT PISTOL!!!! But it did have evil looking black grip and forend, and, I shudder to think,... a BIPOD!!! (Gasp) Sad nobody pointed this out in public to show that those orchestrating this nonsese didn't have a clue as to what they were talking about, and didn't even have a clue as to what a semi-auto was.
Sounds a lot like the contrived stories about "plastic guns" being designed for terrorists to get by airport security, and so called "cop killer" bullets being sold to kill police officers. Or the hokey story about "semi-auto assault rifles" being capable of killing 30 people in 30 seconds. Never mind that none of these things ever happened. Best not to confuse the issue with the facts.
Did anyone else notice when the news conferences were popular about semi-auto assault rifles, and they had a big spread of the evil guns, and one of the guns displayed on the table was a Thompson Center contender, a SINGLE SHOT PISTOL!!!! But it did have evil looking black grip and forend, and, I shudder to think,... a BIPOD!!! (Gasp) Sad nobody pointed this out in public to show that those orchestrating this nonsese didn't have a clue as to what they were talking about, and didn't even have a clue as to what a semi-auto was.
Well,
Unfortunately I missed the segment about .50CAL but I am sure, judging by the posts here, it was the same blah blah blah B.S. that the left has been spreading ever since gun powder was invented. I have a few arguments for them that nobody has yet been able to counter.
1) none of any of my five pistols have ever jumped out of the safe or out of my nightstand and robbed anyone. None of them.
2) If gun laws work so great and guns are illegal, why do cops still need their guns? I mean, the gun laws are so effective no criminal would have a gun because their illegal, right? So police should give theirs up too. Oh yeah, Senator Kerry, you should turn that AK-47 you own over to the police for disposal. You won't be needing that. YES, HE OWNS AN AK-47. It's in his MASS. home.
3) Why don't they outlaw vehicles and ski masks next? I have never heard of a crime being committed where the criminal didn't drive away in something! And how many banks do you see get robbed on that fuzzy video surveilance that couldn't identify an airplane in the lobby but the media can sure tell they have a semi-auto pistol and a ski mask. Ski masks are dangerous. Those need to go to.
4) What if you armed the bank tellers instead? I bet the bank would be less likely to be robbed!
Unfortunately I missed the segment about .50CAL but I am sure, judging by the posts here, it was the same blah blah blah B.S. that the left has been spreading ever since gun powder was invented. I have a few arguments for them that nobody has yet been able to counter.
1) none of any of my five pistols have ever jumped out of the safe or out of my nightstand and robbed anyone. None of them.
2) If gun laws work so great and guns are illegal, why do cops still need their guns? I mean, the gun laws are so effective no criminal would have a gun because their illegal, right? So police should give theirs up too. Oh yeah, Senator Kerry, you should turn that AK-47 you own over to the police for disposal. You won't be needing that. YES, HE OWNS AN AK-47. It's in his MASS. home.
3) Why don't they outlaw vehicles and ski masks next? I have never heard of a crime being committed where the criminal didn't drive away in something! And how many banks do you see get robbed on that fuzzy video surveilance that couldn't identify an airplane in the lobby but the media can sure tell they have a semi-auto pistol and a ski mask. Ski masks are dangerous. Those need to go to.
4) What if you armed the bank tellers instead? I bet the bank would be less likely to be robbed!
Deersniper
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If they really wanted to ban some guns, its all in the wording of the bill. Instead of saying .50s are illegal, they can say guns with bore diameter of a half inch or greater are out lawed. That would ban .50 muzzleloaders and 12 gauge shotguns. I THINK that would even include the 20 gauge.
thorn726
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yeah i love this math
100 yards x (3 feet/yard) = 900 feet, ergo his statement and your estimate are pretty close.
3 times 1 equals 9. i love it.
exactly!
100 yards x (3 feet/yard) = 900 feet, ergo his statement and your estimate are pretty close.
3 times 1 equals 9. i love it.
exactly!
artherd
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Uugh, f-ing tell me about it!
Stickjockey
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Technically, no. The average WW2 fighter aircraft had 6-8 .50-calibre machineguns in the wings, each with a cyclic rate of about 500-600 rounds per minute. Usual range was 250-350 yards.
Semiautomatic or bolt-action rifles had nothing to do with air combat.
That doesn't stop the other side, though. :banghead:
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kbarrett
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Indeed, he violated the GCA of 1968
Yea ... I just sat throught it.
The reporter admitted that he contacted the private seller through gunsamerica.com, flew to Texas, bought the rifle, boarded a plane to Atlanta and "flew home" ( his words ) with the rifle in checked luggage.
One 10 year felony on tape and broadcasted.
Yea ... I just sat throught it.
The reporter admitted that he contacted the private seller through gunsamerica.com, flew to Texas, bought the rifle, boarded a plane to Atlanta and "flew home" ( his words ) with the rifle in checked luggage.
One 10 year felony on tape and broadcasted.
Sleeping Dog
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kbarrett, watch it again. The reporter only IMPLIED that he did all that stuff, but he didn't. He flew to Texas, yes. But, he was not the one that bought the gun, it was someone else. He handled a gun case at an airport, but didn't take the .50 anywhere. At the end it was stated that the gun was bought in Texas by a Texas resident. The gun never left the state. No federal law broken. But it's a heavily fabricated story.
It's probably just one story in a propaganda series coinciding with H.R.654 to ban these rifles.
It's probably just one story in a propaganda series coinciding with H.R.654 to ban these rifles.
mondocomputerman
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Remember at the end of the broadcast, about the rounds being similar to a small artillery shell?
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i think that all those media tyes really hope bad things happen
Stickjockey
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Of course they do. It sells copy. 
Sleeping Dog-
Wouldn't it be funny if they prosecuted him for it anyway? After all, it did look like a felony was committed. I'd love to see him try to explain it.
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Wouldn't it be funny if they prosecuted him for it anyway? After all, it did look like a felony was committed. I'd love to see him try to explain it.
kbarrett
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Can you say "Strawman transaction"?
If that is so, then he performed a strawman transaction. His confederate bought the firearm on behalf of someone who could not do so lawfully.
He was shown in possession of the rifle during the segment, so the transaction took place.
We now have two felonies ( and possibly a third, if the buyer knew what was happening ), in my opinion.
However, I expect no prosecutions. Of course, if one of us did this and blogged it, we would be dealing with the ATFE shortly afterwards....
If that is so, then he performed a strawman transaction. His confederate bought the firearm on behalf of someone who could not do so lawfully.
He was shown in possession of the rifle during the segment, so the transaction took place.
We now have two felonies ( and possibly a third, if the buyer knew what was happening ), in my opinion.
However, I expect no prosecutions. Of course, if one of us did this and blogged it, we would be dealing with the ATFE shortly afterwards....
Sleeping Dog
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I'd guess there's no crime here.
The reporter's stooge was given $2500 to buy the gun. The stooge (a resident of Texas) bought the gun and kept it. If the reporter handled it, it was in Texas, and the reporter never took ownership. The stooge probably still has the gun, or he has sold it to another Texan.
(I will not call the third party "the reporter's confederate", even though I know it has nothing to do with the Confederate States of America )
The reporter was shown with a gun case at an airport, but I doubt if he left Texas with that .50 cal.
Anyway, if I give you money, and you buy a gun, and you don't give me the gun, there's no straw purchase.
The reporter's stooge was given $2500 to buy the gun. The stooge (a resident of Texas) bought the gun and kept it. If the reporter handled it, it was in Texas, and the reporter never took ownership. The stooge probably still has the gun, or he has sold it to another Texan.
(I will not call the third party "the reporter's confederate", even though I know it has nothing to do with the Confederate States of America
)The reporter was shown with a gun case at an airport, but I doubt if he left Texas with that .50 cal.
Anyway, if I give you money, and you buy a gun, and you don't give me the gun, there's no straw purchase.
kbarrett
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So ... who is this Texan buyer?
So ... does anyone have a source for who this Texas buyer is?
Can someone actually quote a CNN rep claiming that a Texas resident paid for this firearm?
The videotaped evidence says he made an unlawful out of state purchase, and then flew to Atlanta and staged a cockpit door shoot with it.
If someone actually claimed to buy it for him, who is this person? And who is the source of this new info?
So ... does anyone have a source for who this Texas buyer is?
Can someone actually quote a CNN rep claiming that a Texas resident paid for this firearm?
The videotaped evidence says he made an unlawful out of state purchase, and then flew to Atlanta and staged a cockpit door shoot with it.
If someone actually claimed to buy it for him, who is this person? And who is the source of this new info?
Monkeyleg
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If Drew Griffin, the reporter, took the gun with him, he and the Texas resident committed a crime.
If Drew Griffin didn't take the rifle with him, he's guilty of lying to the public.
I just shot off an email to the staff on The O'Reilly Factor alerting them to this. O'Reilly likes to take on CNN at every opportunity. With any luck, he'll go for this one.
If Drew Griffin didn't take the rifle with him, he's guilty of lying to the public.
I just shot off an email to the staff on The O'Reilly Factor alerting them to this. O'Reilly likes to take on CNN at every opportunity. With any luck, he'll go for this one.
Sleeping Dog
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I didn't record the segment, but I think her name was "paula zahn". Just a brief statement that the sale took place in Texas and the rifle never left Texas, that it was legal. The scene of the buyer and seller was a little blurry, but two grey heads, not like the reporter. I'm sure the lawyers went over this article, and there's no crime.
If the .50 was shot thru a door (and 1" steel plate) in GA, then the gun was probably owned by Atlanta PD or one of the suburbs. Not the gun in the Texas purchase. It wasn't sighted in, the first round hit the dirt in front of the target. Probably the cops were messing with the reporter just a bit.
And I agree the reporter is probably guilty of lying to the public. He would not call it lying, just a documentary re-enactment, sorta like "Cops" on TV. Or Bowling for Columbine. He can sleaze around the "lie". For example, he said it was legal to check a rifle and fly to Atlanta. Well, yes it is, IF the rifle was purchased by FFL, or it was always his and he's flying home from a hunting trip. NOT if a private purchase out of state.
Someone post if O'Reilly comments on it ...
Regards.
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