Customers Coming Into Gun Shop Armed

[Ala Dan]

Greeting's Again Guy's-

carebear my friend- I hope you get in a home real soon pard'ner!

I'm going too look into the idea of a drum this week, as we have a lot of
LEO personel who come in with loaded duty weapons and may be in need
of a part for that gun. As an example, we put a magwell and a ambi safety
on a Kimber TLE-II yesterday that belonged to a LEO.

Att: Lee Lapin my friend-

Thanks for the information concerning Walker Arms in infamous Selma, AL.
Like 'bout everything else in Selma, Walker Arms has gone south, big time!
I think they have a bunch of 8th grader's working on firearms now~

BTW, we use Mr. Richard Oliver for most of our work. He is located
near Green Pond, AL. If he is too busy (or else?) we send our work too
Plaza Gun Works in good ole' Bombingham, AL (US of A).

 

[GRB]

Ala Dan,

I do not know who makes it but, someone out there commercially produces an unloading station that looks like a mini pizza oven. basically a rectangular box that opens up to reveal a kevlar padded interior into which the person unloading points the frearm. The front door maybe drops down to a shelf, I cannot remember last time I saw one was in my range office just before 9/11 then number 1 WTC fell on top of our building and that was the last I saw of it. Even if it does not stay in place as a shelf, the top of the unit would be just as good onto which to place mags and such. I have seen one round go into this, only a 9mm, but it did the job of containing the round nicely.

There is also a unloading unit made from a section of pipe that is sort of an upside down J shape. It it, I think, the same pipe used for vent pipes on ships, the diameter of the pipe must be about 8 inches or so and; I am guessing the pipe wall is 1/4 inche steel. This is welded to a steel platform on which there are 4 casters mounted so the unit can be moved easily - because it is heavy. The pipe is filled somewhat with sand and a bullet going off into it would conceivably richochet off the pipe wall into the sand. NYPD uses this one sometimes.

Both of these would take up less room than the big 50 gallon drum although I have seen them used too.

All the best,
Glenn B

 

[HankB]

Safe gun handling isn't as common as it should be. A while back, I wanted a set of the flip-up caps for a new Leupold 'scope I'd mounted on a rifle. Having heard that the charts provided by the manufacturer aren't always accurate, I figured I'd buy the caps at my local gun shop and range, where I could try them on for size. (Good move, by the way . . . the charts WERE wrong!)

When I brought my cased rifle up to guy behind the 'scopes & accessories counter, I uncased it without pointing the muzzle anywhere near anyone, and immediately opened the bolt to "show clear."

Counter guy actually commented that someone gave me safety training. I responded that it was my old man - back when I was about 4 years old.

I guess the training "took."

 

[Moonclip]

Sadly this a common problem at ranges and gunstores it seems. Local gun chain says LE and CCW is fine but keep it holstered, I think that is ok. At same store though I saw LE acting like a total ass bitching because of the state mandated paperwork involved in a gun transfer, not stores fault and telling counter person when walking in with a gun which by their rules has to be checked to see if unloaded at counter, no big deal.

Cop said something to effect that I'm a cop and I can do whatever I want! If that was my store, cop or not, he would be out on his ear and local LE called.

Ata range I operated at I had many close calls, one time an elderly Chinese woman with poor English came in with a plastic bag pointed at my stomach. What it ended up being was a fully loaded 22lr S&W kit gun with a cocked hammer she did not know how to decock!

Also someone at a gunstore I knew and myself had on occasion pointed guns at customers who w/o warning pulled guns out of waistbands/pockets or walked in to gunstore with gun exposed in a firing position wanting to know the caliber or buy ammo or such. One was a off duty cop too, he should know better!

Give the gun shop a break, what I used to say to the fellow employess was if this was a flower shop, if a guy pulls a gun out of waistband we can pretty nmuch figure out what he wanted and respond accordingly.

A gunshop, I was put in the position of making a split second decision on weather a person wished me harm and to shoot them or if it was just a case of stupidity and I did not like being put in that situation.

 

[peacefuljeffrey]

He began by pulling each of these guns from the bag and waving
them around wildly

Dude!


If I were you, I'da handed him his ASS for waving around LOADED GUNS! We discuss often enough around here our indignation when people at gun shows/shops wave UNloaded guns because "who knows if they were truly unloaded," and this guy was waving guns that were found to be ACTUALLY CHAMBERED!?

Sorry, no "sympathy-for-a-paying-customer" in this case. This guy was a threat to life, not simply a harmless doltish ignorant inconsiderate dude.

I probably would have lectured him to the point of yelling at him, and told him to never be seen at my shop again.

Sorry, folks, it may sound harsh, but gun owners don't need idiots to make trouble for our image. We have enough of an uphill battle, without people having to read in the paper that someone was inadvertently shot in a gun shop because a jerkoff who didn't know his ass from a 4-bore waved loaded guns around frivolously.

If we avoid having a guy like this in our ranks and it costs some shops a few sales, so be it.

-Jeffrey

 

[Balog]

Hi Ala Dan! Good to see you again, my friend.

When I worked in a gun store I got flagged a lot. If it was a gun I'd just cleared and handed to the customer I tried to not get too upset, but if someone brought in a gun and pointed it at me before I had personally cleared it I would've been one unhappy camper. Did this gent actually flag anyone w/ the Cond 1 guns, or did he just wave it at the walls?

Good job either way. sounds like he was educated w/out being alienated. Not always easy to do.

 

[ruger270man]

my local gun shop..

if someone comes in and wants a gun looked at, and they hand it to the guy loaded, he unloads it and drops the shells on the floor and doesnt give them back.. he has quite a collection going

 

[Ala Dan]

Greeting's Balog My Friend-

First, many thanks for the kind word's. As you know, being a PT employee
of a gunshop I see a lot of sights; and we ain't talking 'bout gun sight's
folks! Yes, this ole' gentleman swept several employees (including
myself) and customers with the muzzle of these firearms. Like you
said, I gave him a good lecture about gun safety; without becoming
hostile.

I'm in the business to sell firearms and accessories. I want very much
to sell this same person two safes. IMHO, it would have been really
unprofessional to have bowed-up on this person; as I might have
lost these sales. ALWAYS TAKE THE HIGH ROAD~

 

[CAS700850]

One of my favorite gun drooling locations (you know, stand at the counter and drool over the guns inside) has a sign on the door that says "CCW Permit Holders, please keep your handgun holstered and concealed, because there are others with such permits present." Kinda says it all, doesn't it?

 

[Matt G]

I've several times been in a gun shop and had to check on a holster or the like for my concealed carry pistol. This, of course, means handling a loaded gun. My drill, which has worked so far, has been to get the attention of the counterman or proprieter, tell him what I'm about to do, and ask if it's all right to unload my piece pointed at the floor or if he's got another preferred place. I've always been allowed to make safe right where I was, but wouldn't feel offended at all if he then asked me to show safe by dryfiring into a bulletcatcher.

Folks, don't get insulted when your counterfolk insist on safety!