drtworks
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I'm not buying this story, but, if it is true, go to the press. This story is so outrageous, talk radio would be all over it in a New York Minute.
Daughter's school
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partyharty
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If the story is accurate:
1) congratulate your daughter (I really like the idea of buying her a rifle).
2) contact the local school board, raise heck
3) Find out who actually suspended your daughter. What was the reason given for the suspension. As others have said, around here teachers cannot suspend students, the administration does. A simple missed assignment would not be enough. This may be a case where the teacher lied to get the student suspended (in which case the teacher would need to be reprimanded or fired).
4) Contact the Police Department and inform them that they may have a rise in stolen weapons due to the fact that a teacher is asking kids to list where all the weapons are located. You could even file a complaint. Even though nothing would come of it (probably) you would have it on record in case your weapons turned up stolen. Urge other parents to do the same. If you have a substantial collection I would consider adding extra insurance coverage.
5) get ahold of a local gun group and see if they can put you in contact with a good attorney. Although, I doubt that this could be considered actionable (due to the fact that you have not really been "harmed" in the legal sense), it would be a good idea to see what your legal remedies/options are in a case such as this.
It is getting to be a disturbing trend. People in authoritative positions are asking kids to give information that the kids should not have to give. I read a story a while back about doctors asking kids about parents drug use, weapons, etc in order to determine if the kids were in a good home. If the kid answered yes to any of the questions the doctor would forward the info to child services.
When my kids are old enough to answer questions of this nature they will have a standard response "ask my father". If the adults are not "man enough" to come ask me then they do not need to be trying to get the information out of my kids.
1) congratulate your daughter (I really like the idea of buying her a rifle).
2) contact the local school board, raise heck
3) Find out who actually suspended your daughter. What was the reason given for the suspension. As others have said, around here teachers cannot suspend students, the administration does. A simple missed assignment would not be enough. This may be a case where the teacher lied to get the student suspended (in which case the teacher would need to be reprimanded or fired).
4) Contact the Police Department and inform them that they may have a rise in stolen weapons due to the fact that a teacher is asking kids to list where all the weapons are located. You could even file a complaint. Even though nothing would come of it (probably) you would have it on record in case your weapons turned up stolen. Urge other parents to do the same. If you have a substantial collection I would consider adding extra insurance coverage.
5) get ahold of a local gun group and see if they can put you in contact with a good attorney. Although, I doubt that this could be considered actionable (due to the fact that you have not really been "harmed" in the legal sense), it would be a good idea to see what your legal remedies/options are in a case such as this.
It is getting to be a disturbing trend. People in authoritative positions are asking kids to give information that the kids should not have to give. I read a story a while back about doctors asking kids about parents drug use, weapons, etc in order to determine if the kids were in a good home. If the kid answered yes to any of the questions the doctor would forward the info to child services.
When my kids are old enough to answer questions of this nature they will have a standard response "ask my father". If the adults are not "man enough" to come ask me then they do not need to be trying to get the information out of my kids.
Ed Ames
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Teachers can't expel.
They know they can't.
Principles certainly know they can't.
What's the point of this?
They know they can't.
Principles certainly know they can't.
What's the point of this?
Kingcreek
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If this story is accurate (parts of it are inconsistant with what I know about public schools) you need to:
Document everything
and
Work the "chain of command" from the principal to the supt to the school board. you can request a meeting with the school board in closed or executive session.
There should be a school policy handbook available that details conditions for expulsion or other discipline issues. I've been a school board member for some years, bd president for 4 of them. I've never seen an expulsion of a second grade student.
Document everything
and
Work the "chain of command" from the principal to the supt to the school board. you can request a meeting with the school board in closed or executive session.
There should be a school policy handbook available that details conditions for expulsion or other discipline issues. I've been a school board member for some years, bd president for 4 of them. I've never seen an expulsion of a second grade student.
jackstinson
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Your daughter did well.
Unless that school is very unusual, teachers do not have authority to expel a student.
If all the facts are as posted, I would be contacting the Superintendent and then the school board. Both the teacher and the Principal need to be brought to their attention.
I had to do that once when my youngest was in 1st grade. In that case it was the Principal was at fault. One call to the school board and we never had a problem after that.
Jack
Unless that school is very unusual, teachers do not have authority to expel a student.
If all the facts are as posted, I would be contacting the Superintendent and then the school board. Both the teacher and the Principal need to be brought to their attention.
I had to do that once when my youngest was in 1st grade. In that case it was the Principal was at fault. One call to the school board and we never had a problem after that.
Jack
TheShootist1894
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In my old High School, Our principal and several teachers were NRA members, and the Library had all the back issues of NRA sponsored Periodicals, including American Rifleman, and they still do to this day!
That is where my children will get their education!
That is where my children will get their education!
Teachers can punish kids by expulsion? That for one, seems a little odd. I think if the teacher deemed the kid a physical threat to themselves or the other students in the class, then it would be one thing...
Anyway, I am finding this hard to believe. This lady is the mentally unstable one. Anyone who would act that way about anything is a little more than nutty.
Anyway, I am finding this hard to believe. This lady is the mentally unstable one. Anyone who would act that way about anything is a little more than nutty.
XDKingslayer
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I would do everything in my power to get that teacher fired. I would go out of my way to ensure she never taught in this state again. I would be on every local station's news that very same night with my daughter crying because of this teacher's actions.
There would be NO High Road for this.
There would be NO High Road for this.
1911Tuner
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Sounds like an invasion of privacy on the basest level. Using children to spy on parents and reportingeir findings to an "authority" smacks of Orwellian scenarios and shouldn't be tolerated. I think I'd take it to the school board first, to see if I could arrange for this...educator...to search for other career opportunities...and then on to the courts if I didn't get any satisfation in that venue, and I'd subpoena the principle and any other witnesses to the statements made.
This is not only absurd...it's illegal.
This is not only absurd...it's illegal.
Officers'Wife
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Unfortunately this has become the norm. Hatred of guns, hatred of the military has pretty much become part of classroom and it's been this way a long time.
I remember when I first moved to Indiana my teacher announced that Vietnam soldiers had been brainwashed to be bloodthirsty killers without morals. I went home that night an told my Uncle (Special Forces Vietnam era) who told my Dad (also SF that era) who called various neighbors and relatives. The next day fifteen men representing the Army, Navy and Marine Corps entered the classroom and invited the teacher to allow the soldiers' POV of Vietnam be presented to the class... He had no objections...
Selena
I remember when I first moved to Indiana my teacher announced that Vietnam soldiers had been brainwashed to be bloodthirsty killers without morals. I went home that night an told my Uncle (Special Forces Vietnam era) who told my Dad (also SF that era) who called various neighbors and relatives. The next day fifteen men representing the Army, Navy and Marine Corps entered the classroom and invited the teacher to allow the soldiers' POV of Vietnam be presented to the class... He had no objections...
Selena
jhco
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Comment deleted, courtesy of your friendly neighborhood Tuner.
cleardiddion
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jhco, I would think that you would have enough maturity to not be spewing out such childish comments. Please keep to the high road the next time you decide to put your hands on your keyboard.
Kudos to your daughter mate, she did good!
Kudos to your daughter mate, she did good!
jhco
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if you have a problem with what i have to say then please dont be an internet coward cause i only live about and hour away
VARifleman
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jhco, that's unacceptable language and behavior on this site. There is a reason that this site is named The High Road, and we intend to keep it there. You need to shape up or walk out the door.
1911Tuner
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And post forwarded to your friendly neighborhood moderator.
Have a nice day.
14427H
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230RN
2A was "political" when it was first adopted.
TrapperReady:
Wedge:
drtworks:
I had my doubts about it too. I would like to see more documentation before I bite the hook. OP, can you have some of the parents whose kids turned in blank papers get on THR to confirm this story?
On the other hand, having had a lot of experience with extreme leftist passion re firearms and some of their other favorite issues, it's just barely borderline believable.
"Please sir, can I have some more?" --Oliver Twist
Wedge:
drtworks:
I had my doubts about it too. I would like to see more documentation before I bite the hook. OP, can you have some of the parents whose kids turned in blank papers get on THR to confirm this story?
On the other hand, having had a lot of experience with extreme leftist passion re firearms and some of their other favorite issues, it's just barely borderline believable.
"Please sir, can I have some more?" --Oliver Twist
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Rob G
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I don't think I have any good actionable advice that hasn't already been put down by someone else. I just wanted to say that that's an amazing daughter you've got there and I hope you find a place where she can get a quality education away from overly biased nuts.
1911Tuner
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I'd like to know the name of the school, too...but just because it didn't hit the news channels doesn't mean that it didn't happen. Most folks don't take it to those extremes, and generally just handle it at the school admin level.
cleardiddion
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Thanks for the edit 1911Tuner, much appreciated.
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Professor Gun
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Meet with the principal and request that action be taken against the teacher. Follow up immediately with a letter to the principal summarizing your discussion, CC copies to the Board of Education reps and a good attorney (talk with him/her beforehand to give them a heads-up).
If there is not reasonable action taken (e.g., reprimand?), then go to your Board of Education, make sure you document EVERYTHING that has occurred as it occurs.
If no reasonable action is taken at that level in an appropriate amount of time, bring in the attorneys.
Per the above discussion, I do not know if the original story is true or not. It would not surprise me if it were true; I have had some very interesting encounters with anti-gun M.D.'s and anti-gun educators who have this agenda and are very aggressive at promoting it. When we encounter them we MUST take action. Always be polite, be civil, talk calmly and quietly, and do not give up and go away. These people, like cockroaches, cannot stand the light of day and exposure by an intelligent, well-reasoned parent who will not go away is the best way to shut them down.
If there is not reasonable action taken (e.g., reprimand?), then go to your Board of Education, make sure you document EVERYTHING that has occurred as it occurs.
If no reasonable action is taken at that level in an appropriate amount of time, bring in the attorneys.
Per the above discussion, I do not know if the original story is true or not. It would not surprise me if it were true; I have had some very interesting encounters with anti-gun M.D.'s and anti-gun educators who have this agenda and are very aggressive at promoting it. When we encounter them we MUST take action. Always be polite, be civil, talk calmly and quietly, and do not give up and go away. These people, like cockroaches, cannot stand the light of day and exposure by an intelligent, well-reasoned parent who will not go away is the best way to shut them down.
kwelz
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Sorry but I agree with a couple others. This story has to many holes in it. Teachers can not expel students, and failure to turn in an assignment is not grounds in any school to suspend or expel a student.
A good story to rile people up but just a story.
A good story to rile people up but just a story.
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