MicroBalrog
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With all the chainsaw-wielding maniacs in the movies, one wonders - can you actually use one for CQC/Self-Defense?
/me has never held a chainsaw before...
/me has never held a chainsaw before...
Defensive Chainsaw?
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MicroBalrog
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Them mods are sure quick...
Thanks for moving it, people!
Thanks for moving it, people!
Tamara
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Not very efficiently. In addition to being heavy and awkwardly balanced, they have a fair amount of gyroscopic resistance to fast changes of direction in certain axes.
Most importantly, a chainsaw cuts by means of extended contact with its circulating chain (it will only cut as fast as the chain can carry material out of the way, parallel to the cutting surface) unlike a standard edged weapon which slices into something by displacing material perpendicularly from its edge.
Most importantly, a chainsaw cuts by means of extended contact with its circulating chain (it will only cut as fast as the chain can carry material out of the way, parallel to the cutting surface) unlike a standard edged weapon which slices into something by displacing material perpendicularly from its edge.
TallPine
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Your experience must all be with dull saw chains, which are of course the most common kind.
I did a lot of loggging back in my young and healthy days.
Flesh is not near as hard as even soft pine.
I sure don't want to be on the receiving end.
Mike Irwin
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What sort of tactical accessories should be added to the chainsaw ensemble?
Tamara
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TallPine,
I wouldn't want to get popped by even a dull chainsaw, but an axe/sword cuts by impact.
Out of curiousity, would you be able to lop off, say, a 2" limb with one of those larger saws by swinging the saw at it (fast enough that the limb couldn't get out of the way, if trees could do that sort of thing ) and pop through it with no noticeable delay in the swing the way you could with, say, an axe?
I wouldn't want to get popped by even a dull chainsaw, but an axe/sword cuts by impact.
Out of curiousity, would you be able to lop off, say, a 2" limb with one of those larger saws by swinging the saw at it (fast enough that the limb couldn't get out of the way, if trees could do that sort of thing
) and pop through it with no noticeable delay in the swing the way you could with, say, an axe?Steve Smith
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MicroBalrog, the chainsaw isn't the uber-weapon it is portrayed as being. Nasty cuts, for sure, but a real PITA to wield aggressively for normal humans (Correia does not apply).
Now some electric hedge trimmers, those could be nasty, as long as you could get to your opponent's appendages!
Weed whacker...OOOOOWWWW!!!! One whack stops!
Now some electric hedge trimmers, those could be nasty, as long as you could get to your opponent's appendages!
Weed whacker...OOOOOWWWW!!!! One whack stops!
bogie
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Aw, heck... Paint it black, and let Skunkabilly sort it out...
MicroBalrog
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Steve, I don't get it. What's:
1)PITA
2)An electric hedge-trimmer?
3)A weed-whacker?
1)PITA
2)An electric hedge-trimmer?
3)A weed-whacker?
Dave Markowitz
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Hey, it works on demons and stuff in DOOM.
St. Gunner
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In the days of AIDS and other related blood born disease, I would strongly advise against this as an option.
See I found a hog dead on the road with some huge cutter teeth, I really wanted the skull, but the state buries them within a day or so. I had my Echo along, had a sharp chain, decided WTH, can't be that bad. I looked like a butcher after a long day in about 5 seconds, I stunk like a nasty ol boar hog almost instantly, I got hair and meat packed in the saw and it wasn't pretty. But It did chop the head clean off in about five seconds and it was a big hog. But the mess is pretty nasty, i'll probably end up with internal parasites, cause I had to have gotten some in my mouth with all that crap spraying everywhere.
Oh it was the last time I tried that trick...
See I found a hog dead on the road with some huge cutter teeth, I really wanted the skull, but the state buries them within a day or so. I had my Echo along, had a sharp chain, decided WTH, can't be that bad. I looked like a butcher after a long day in about 5 seconds, I stunk like a nasty ol boar hog almost instantly, I got hair and meat packed in the saw and it wasn't pretty. But It did chop the head clean off in about five seconds and it was a big hog. But the mess is pretty nasty, i'll probably end up with internal parasites, cause I had to have gotten some in my mouth with all that crap spraying everywhere.
Oh it was the last time I tried that trick...
Justin
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I would tend to think that the chainsaw would have a tendency to recoil back, causing that safety thing to hit your arm, thereby cutting the power to the engine off.
But then again, who's crazy enough to go toe-to-toe with somebody wielding a chainsaw.
But then again, who's crazy enough to go toe-to-toe with somebody wielding a chainsaw.
Cosmoline
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With my Husqvarna 530, a Swiss surplus helmet and an alpenflage pancho, I am death incarnate!
Actually, this is very topical. The last two weekends I've been cutting down tree after tree after tree. I dream about them in my sleep. I find bits of them in my ears. A few observations:
Loose, wet wood slips off the chain very easily and is quite difficult to cut. That's why chainsaws are terrible for cutting up big piles of loose brush. I suspect a human limb would, if hit, simply be bounced up the chain toward the person holding the chainsaw. It would only continue to cut if the limb got impaled on the guard spikes there, but they usually aren't that sharp.
To really hurt someone, that is to get at the parts that bleed out and cause shock, you'd have to make a direct and sustained hit to the torso. Even then they could evade by simply falling down.
A good axe is much more lethal IMHO. Esp. these Swedish ones I've discovered. Razor sharp, and astonishingly powerful. I have no doubt at all that they could kill a person in one blow.
Actually, this is very topical. The last two weekends I've been cutting down tree after tree after tree. I dream about them in my sleep. I find bits of them in my ears. A few observations:
Loose, wet wood slips off the chain very easily and is quite difficult to cut. That's why chainsaws are terrible for cutting up big piles of loose brush. I suspect a human limb would, if hit, simply be bounced up the chain toward the person holding the chainsaw. It would only continue to cut if the limb got impaled on the guard spikes there, but they usually aren't that sharp.
To really hurt someone, that is to get at the parts that bleed out and cause shock, you'd have to make a direct and sustained hit to the torso. Even then they could evade by simply falling down.
A good axe is much more lethal IMHO. Esp. these Swedish ones I've discovered. Razor sharp, and astonishingly powerful. I have no doubt at all that they could kill a person in one blow.
Erik Jensen
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Micro Balog.
definitions follow...
PITA= Pain the the ahem... "posterior"
electric hedge trimmer= in essence, a moter with reciprocating blades, which are sort of shaped like very large combs (as in for hair)
Weed Whacker= implement used for trimming grass or other brush where a lawn mower can't reach. basically a tube with a motor on one end, which spins, via a shaft a disc on the other end which has a nylon(?) "whip" on it.
definitions follow...
PITA= Pain the the ahem... "posterior"
electric hedge trimmer= in essence, a moter with reciprocating blades, which are sort of shaped like very large combs (as in for hair)
Weed Whacker= implement used for trimming grass or other brush where a lawn mower can't reach. basically a tube with a motor on one end, which spins, via a shaft a disc on the other end which has a nylon(?) "whip" on it.
No chance in heck Massad Ayoob will come be your defense witness if you use one. Not much of a chance that someone faced eith a chainsaw wielder will stand around to see if it hurts. I guess this thread means that TCM redo previews are showing in Israel too?
MicroBalrog
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No, just wondered.
bobs1066
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Nobody's mentioned Ash from the Evil Dead movies yet?
nondescript
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I saw an article on something like this once, can't remember if it was online or in a magazine. They used the big pro competition style chainsaws, like are used for the Outdoor Games sometimes shown on ESPN. More than a little bit bigger and more powerful than the usual ones found in sheds and pickup beds of Northern Minnesota. They cut up a few old couches and other furniture, then moved on to a side of beef. If I remember right both the Stihl and Husqvarna cut down and through in a matter of a couple seconds. I guess a normal saw with a nice sharp chain could be effective if necessary.
Light objects tend to run with the chain, and being as clumsy to swing as a chainsaw would be, I would personally prefer an axe or my HI Ang Khola. The actual usefulness may not be as important as the psychological impact that goes with picturing the spray that the chain could throw.
Just try to visualize someone coming toward YOU with a running chainsaw.
I personally would assume they were totally nuts and get away as fastfastfast as my legs could carry me.
Unless I was up against Deadites, then I would take my Boomstick and chainsaw and wreak havoc upon them.
Hail to the king, baby!
Light objects tend to run with the chain, and being as clumsy to swing as a chainsaw would be, I would personally prefer an axe or my HI Ang Khola. The actual usefulness may not be as important as the psychological impact that goes with picturing the spray that the chain could throw.
Just try to visualize someone coming toward YOU with a running chainsaw.
I personally would assume they were totally nuts and get away as fastfastfast as my legs could carry me.
Unless I was up against Deadites, then I would take my Boomstick and chainsaw and wreak havoc upon them.
Hail to the king, baby!
I don't know just how much I'd rely on a chainsaw as a weapon. They are hard to carry discreetly, (all that noise and smoke) hard to start when you really need them, and you have to get very close to your assailant to use it effectively.
I have faced down an EDP with a chainsaw. Happened right after I started on the PD in 1985. Started with a domestic right at the start of the shift. The Sergeant knew the parties involved quite well and went down to handle it. He got it quieted down and a few hours later it flared up. So when the call came out he said "he'd take care of it" again. He wasn't out there 5 minutes when he said "I need back up now!" The other cars had headed towards the neighborhood when the call came out in order to be close in case things went bad. We were there in seconds, just in time to see the subject pick up a chainsaw from the bed of his pick up and advance on the sergeant while pulling on the rope. It's a wonder no one shot him, the subject looked around and saw four additional officers exiting their cars and pointing their weapons at him, he put the chainsaw down and stepped away without even a command to. While discussing it later, everyone of us said we would have shot him, had he succeeded in starting the chainsaw.
Jeff
I have faced down an EDP with a chainsaw. Happened right after I started on the PD in 1985. Started with a domestic right at the start of the shift. The Sergeant knew the parties involved quite well and went down to handle it. He got it quieted down and a few hours later it flared up. So when the call came out he said "he'd take care of it" again. He wasn't out there 5 minutes when he said "I need back up now!" The other cars had headed towards the neighborhood when the call came out in order to be close in case things went bad. We were there in seconds, just in time to see the subject pick up a chainsaw from the bed of his pick up and advance on the sergeant while pulling on the rope. It's a wonder no one shot him, the subject looked around and saw four additional officers exiting their cars and pointing their weapons at him, he put the chainsaw down and stepped away without even a command to. While discussing it later, everyone of us said we would have shot him, had he succeeded in starting the chainsaw.
Jeff
Cosmoline
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You know, with a solid stick of wood held between your hands, like a quarterstaff, I wonder if you could cause the saw to kickback at the user. You'd simply block into the kickback zone, and brace against the chain so that it rolled back and up at the user.
cracked butt
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I could see using one in a tight space such as a hallway or a medium sized bedroom. If you have someone cornered in a place they cannot get out of, you can really make them feel like they would rather be somewhere else. It may not be the perfect weapon, but it would ceratinly give you the upper hand psychologically- what kind of person wouldn't crap their pants with a p-'d off homeowner chasing them with a revving chainsaw?
Its sort of like the old survey that says that people are more afraid of public speaking than death. I would bet if being chased by a chainsaw wielding maniac were added to the list of poll questions, it would even beat out public speaking.
Its sort of like the old survey that says that people are more afraid of public speaking than death. I would bet if being chased by a chainsaw wielding maniac were added to the list of poll questions, it would even beat out public speaking.
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Hmmm...
"Stihl vs. Husqvarna" debates?
"Short bar vs. long" debates?
Reminds me of an eye-rolling moment I had at work a few years ago. I'd seen my first lumberjack competition on ESPN one weekend:
DJJ: Ever see those lumberjack competitions? How 'bout those racing chain saws?
Boss: "Racing chain saws"? You mean they ride them?
DJJ:
Jeff White: "EDP"?
Evil Dead Poser/pretender/person/perp/player?
Enraged Domestic Partner?
Ex Doom Player?
"Stihl vs. Husqvarna" debates?
"Short bar vs. long" debates?
Reminds me of an eye-rolling moment I had at work a few years ago. I'd seen my first lumberjack competition on ESPN one weekend:
DJJ: Ever see those lumberjack competitions? How 'bout those racing chain saws?
Boss: "Racing chain saws"? You mean they ride them?
DJJ:
Jeff White: "EDP"?
Evil Dead Poser/pretender/person/perp/player?
Enraged Domestic Partner?
Ex Doom Player?
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