Fire or no fire from muzzle (Flash & Awe)

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I know in combat situations its not best, but when your at the range just blastin with family, freinds or by yourself, do you prefer minimal fire balls or prefer the largest flame throwin monster you can have? Alot of folks seem to like it but theres some that give me a harsh look when i unleash the beasts.

I work very hard to get the most fire and thump out of my guns.
The M16 i put a 7" kitty kat upper with a flash enhancer on it....it flares your sinuses with every shot, feels like its burning the hair off your arm and face, when people take pics of it shooting, you dont see the person shotings face...just a fire ball. if you shoot and aim you will not see the target and it will blind you, just like lookin into the sun it leaves the white spots in your eyes for 20 mins

The beltfed, well, did some work top it also to get it to throw fire, it draws a crowd at the shoots, which leads to alot of my rentals. Pic says it all for it, the M16 is about as bad.

Have a HK51 thats terrible, little 9" barrel in 308, now i have seen others who get a better flame so im not done yet

The HK53 9" 223 is alright, gonna do some work on it also.

is it wrong to try and get flames out of a MP5?

So, do you prefer flame or no flame when playing?
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I personally don't like it out of my guns. The only one I've shot with a pretty decent sized flash was a Judge. Those .410 shells out of that small barrel make it look pretty crazy. Huge muzzle flashes are pretty cool to watch though. I just don't like to be on the operating end of them.
 
If I want flames, I light the BBQ grill.
Or fireworks on the 4th. of July.

It's a lot cheaper them screwing up a good gun, and my shooting ability, just to show off to a bunch of folks that don't know any better anyway.

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Well, it may not serve you well. I did no perm mods to the gun, doesnt effect it at all.

Also, i attend large shoots in states where we rent our guns out to the spectators. There will be literrally 100's of M16's to rent, mine will get rented 20 times more, why? cause its what people see on tv, lots of fire, it looks fun. Everyone else has the same boring thing, a 800rpm M16.

My beltfed, will make thousands of dollars profit, PROFIT off it because of the fire, once again theres hundreds of the same beltfeds there, mine will get way more rentals.

i have had people come from several states away, hundreds of miles driven, when they find me they tell me they came to rent my gun, they saw mine on the internet at other shoots and drove there to shoot mine and get pics doin it. Its the fire that attracts people. So yes, it does pay to show off to a bunch of folks you dont know.
 
I'm not into it. I much prefer not jacking up my night adapted vision.

Had my first experience shooting my AR-15 in twilight/dark recently while hunting problem critters, and my 16" barrel and A2 birdcage has me thinking of upgrading to a vortex or phantom to really snuf that flash out.
 
hey beltfed, cool pic. I would rather not have the flame. But i can see your point when you rent it out. I bet flame spitting does help. My boys would want to shoot yours over anyones elses I'm sure.

About your sig line "A family that shoots together stays together! But man does it get expensive when all 3 kids and wife shoot like they do!!!"
We feel the same way. But you have to look at it this way.... Ammo is a lot cheaper than rehab!!
 
Temporarily destroying your night vision is not only counter productive to the concept of actually hitting your target, it can be dangerous in the field.

I guess if your purpose is to impress a crowd with a bunch of noise and flash it just becomes another expensive toy. Personally, I prefer fireworks for that.
 
if you think i have no concept of a combat situation and that i would take this thing into a firefight your wrong. I have been in 5 shootings, have 2 bullets in me from 2 different situations. And im not LE or Millitary. I have a M16 M4 with IR laser, Aimpoint, magnifier and NV for any combat situations, im well equiped should that situation arise. Some of you talk to me as if im a idiot and everthing is about combat. Who here has used any of their guns in a combat situation...their own personal weapons, not talkin about those in LE or Millitary.

You may have them for incase of......but your weapons are 99.9% for fun, the sport, so are mine. So for those that want to talk down to me because i have my guns set up for entertainment and your sitting there with tin foil hat on with your HI POINT 9mm carbine ready to take on the world and pin point to people like me what im doin wrong and how im not gonna survive cause......, you just keep doin what your doin, be a hermit, know everything, your right im wrong, im gonna go have fun makin money shooting and renting out my MG's while you keep the world safe because people like me cant.
 
Oh, Onlymeself, so you undderstand how expensive it is also....its bad. I have 3 daughters and wife i have to keep ammo for. In the past 6 yrs, we have shot over 500,000 rnds out of just the beltfeds, 90% of that i didnt get to shoot, the girls do most of it. Its still cheaper then drugs or rehab HA
 
Myself? I'm a no flame kind of guy. I like to remain anonymous if at all possible. However, I am a Capitalist (note the capital C), and if it helps you put food on your table more power to you.
 
Beltfed, you eally shouldnt ask an opinion and then rant about the answers.

However, I do find it funny. Everyday on these gun forums someone will make those kind of comments. Compensated guns blind you in combat, handguns are worthless in combat(fight your way to a rifle, etc), and all kinds of other crap. Lets get real people, 90% of the people that post this are middle aged, over weight white guys that do most of thier commando'ing on the couch with a remote. A gun like that is for fun, not practical purposes.
 
If you get large fireballs out the front of the muzzle it means the burn rate is improper for the chamber and barrel.

It is like running an engine excessively rich, wasting fuel without maximizing the potential of the energy in the fuel.

The ideal burn would have the powder still burning until just near the end of the barrel. Not too fast to waste most of the barrel and spike pressure near max, and not too slow to burn excessively outside the barrel.
The right bullet weights combined with ideal powder types can achieve the most power for a given barrel length and pressure limitations.

So the biggest flame comes from ineffecient firearms with the wrong ammo. For example a .223/5.56x45 pistol firing factory ammunition form a short barrel when the ammunition is designed for a long rifle barrel.


So yes tossing a short barrel on rifle round leaves a lot of unburned powder escaping to burn outside the firearm. It reduces the velocity of the projectile significantly actualy leaving you firing weaker rounds. It also reduces the recoil for the same reason since pressure is being created for a shorter length of time before the round leaves the end of the barrel and all the pressure created drops off ceasing to create rearward force.

It is just wasteful, but if you enjoy it and do not create fires it is fine for recreation. If the flame is destroying property then it is inconsiderate.

Trying to achieve flame from a pistol caliber carbine? Pistols powders are designed for a fast burn rate and the firearm is likely designed around that. Doing some research to find a safe slower burning rifle powder that will not exceed pressure limitations and reloading would be the most effective way to achieve flames from the end of the muzzle. It would also excessively foul the insides of the firearm, requiring more cleaning and increasing wear on some parts.
 
I'm not into it. I much prefer not jacking up my night adapted vision.

Had my first experience shooting my AR-15 in twilight/dark recently while hunting problem critters, and my 16" barrel and A2 birdcage has me thinking of upgrading to a vortex or phantom to really snuf that flash out.
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Same here. I have pretty good vision at night, but as a result of graveyard shift my eyes dont handle bight lights and flashes well.

I found the A2 FH to be really annoying, but I can manage.
 
Someone on here has an NFA Mosin pistol. Bet that shoots some flames.

Obviously I "prefer" my firearms to show little to no muzzle flash but I do get a kick out of magnum high brass 12ga loads in my 20" Mossberg 590 at dusk...
 
Wow, somne of the replies are just....entertaining. Zoogster, im glad you informed us all on why the short barrels get the fire ball, i dont think anyone got that on their own. Didnt you see where i said i did alot of work to get the guns to run like this....didnt just happened.

Also, how am i gonna create a fire? How am i destroying property? Are you one of them guys that has to inform people of what they already know and/or let everyone know "Hey look at me i figured it out on my own" by explaining it, thinkin no one else did?

Yes, the fire is 100% because of the unburnt powder in a short barrel. No it isnt creating fires or destroying property, yes i already knew this.

LJNOWELL, you have it dead on, bunch of fat guys who bought a Lorcin 9mm and a hi point carbine, both junk guns and now think they are rambo and gonna tell everyone on the computer how to prepare themselves.
 
YES...thats another fire breather and no work needed on it. Them things are wicked, kinda hard to be in combat shootin at someone and tryin not to be spotted, soon as you shoot anyone within 3 miles knows where you are. HA
 
Muzzle flash is for movies. It has no place on a defensive handgun. None of my handguns or my rifles throw any flames out the end. Not even my 2.5" Python with full-house .357 loads.
 
BeltfedMG, replies are not just to you but to many people that read threads. Many individuals do not reload. Some people new to firearms may actualy think louder firearms with bigger fireballs are actualy more powerful than more effecient counterparts. The very people you depend on to rent your firearms.

Clearly I realize you are doing it intentionaly from your posts and know what is being done. I imagine you are using large quantities of slow powders with light bullets to achieve the largest quantity of unburned powder being burned outside the firearm.

The floor of some indoor firing ranges has been known to ignite from time to time from a buildup of unburned powders finaly being ignited to the unfortunate surprise of those present. Your methods probably add unburned powder to the ground at a much higher rate.
In many ranges they have booths and partitions. Large flames can singe the property that does not belong to the shooter if the muzzle ends before the end of the booths. If it singes your arms when you fire it, and flame travels upwards much more effeciently than backwards what is it doing above the firearm? With the addition of ports and muzzle breaks the firearm could burn holes all around with flames channeled directly at the furniture and even in the direction of other shooters to the sides.

Now the setup at your primarily outdoor ranges is likely significantly safer.
Some people may however choose to do the same at indoor ranges, and I have seen some with very low ceilings that taper towards the target.
Your thread is not just refering to your shoots, but can be a suggestion to many other people including novices. People that will damage property of indoor and outdoor ranges, have fire dangers they may not have anticipated resulting it ignited brush etc So covering those topics as well as pointing out that it is extremely ineffecient may reduce those problems..

It shouldn't bruise your ego to have someone explain something it was clear you knew for the benefit of all readers of all ages and levels of firearm experience.
 
Well, Beltfed, I also happen to enjoy a nice muzzle flame for entertainment purposes. It was always a special time when we night fired the M-85 .50 cal on high rate.
Among my favorites, though, was a grass burner .357 magnum load I worked up in a 6" Colt Trooper. A big load of Bluedot behind a 125gr JHP. Especially nice just at dusk. A long funnel shaped blue flame. Very nice indeed.
 
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