Joe Demko
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Oh DO let's talk intellectual honesty! Hundreds you say? I'm interested to see your data from Ted's site and statistical analysis of same. Please post these or a link to them ASAP! In the meantime, I stand by my opinion of Ted.
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Oh DO let's talk intellectual honesty! Hundreds you say? I'm interested to see your data from Ted's site and statistical analysis of same. Please post these or a link to them ASAP! In the meantime, I stand by my opinion of Ted.
Cesiumsponge
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He is in public forums like television and large gatherings because he is a celebrity, not because he is an eloquent orator. Don't attribute things where they aren't due.
It doesn't help when CNN purposely arranges the situation which airs Ted Nugent in a light that is less than favorable by playing his audio against a background of him with a fifth in one hand and a guitar in the other. People that aren't on our side are more apt to listen to people like Ron Paul, Wayne LaPierre, Larry Pratt, Suzanna Gratia Hupp, and the like.
Many people here are already biased in their viewpoints so they won't be able to view things in an objective manner. Ask most any fence-sitter or anti about Ted Nugent and they'll use pejorative terms to describe him like "crazy gun nut" and absolutely don't care what he has to say because they've already made the decision to ignore him based off his "vibrant" stylings.
It's a bittersweet thing to witness here...that people are reprimanded for forming opinions contrary to their own. I thought this type of behavior existed largely only in socialist-type liberal circles where individual expression was forbidden and autonomy was the goal.
HuntCast
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http://www.tednugent.com/hunting/forums/
Sorry to disappoint you, but no exaggeration here. This is not a secret.
There have been many many threads about "how did you become a member here."
Try searching the most recent one from last week. At least 30 people responded that way. After 8 years of his forum being up, I am probably estimating on the low side when I say hundreds.
Now, show ME evidence that non hunters and shooters would have became shooters and joined the cause, if only it wasn't for that "obnoxious loudmouth" Ted Nugent being in the way.
Sorry to disappoint you, but no exaggeration here. This is not a secret.
There have been many many threads about "how did you become a member here."
Try searching the most recent one from last week. At least 30 people responded that way. After 8 years of his forum being up, I am probably estimating on the low side when I say hundreds.
Now, show ME evidence that non hunters and shooters would have became shooters and joined the cause, if only it wasn't for that "obnoxious loudmouth" Ted Nugent being in the way.
sctman800
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It doesn't help when CNN purposely arranges the situation which airs Ted Nugent in a light that is less than favorable by playing his audio against a background of him with a fifth in one hand and a guitar in the other.
I missed this, of course I would since I rarely watch CNN. According to Ted, he has never had a drink or drug in his life. No, I have not followed him around all his life to make sure this is the case, I will take him at his word. Jim.
I missed this, of course I would since I rarely watch CNN. According to Ted, he has never had a drink or drug in his life. No, I have not followed him around all his life to make sure this is the case, I will take him at his word. Jim.
What I always find amazing, disappointing and then a little scary is how people will attack and pick apart our allies in this fight over unrelated, ridiculous things.
To find fault with this piece, to pick it apart or use it to take swipes at Nugent when we are in a fight to preserve our rights (especially in the wake of the latest shooting) is insanity.
When I turn on the news and they are discussing gun control I pray that Ted Nugent is on the program. Then I know for fact positive my voice will be heard.
If Ted doesnt represent what you think, if he is not the person you want to represent you then find one and get his or her arse on the tube, on the radio and in print. Do anything productive, but nitpicking Nugent apart is patently unproductive. Find more high profile spokesmen and I'll welcome them. And so will Ted Nugent, I guarantee it.
We are all in this thing together. And we darn well need to start acting like it.
To find fault with this piece, to pick it apart or use it to take swipes at Nugent when we are in a fight to preserve our rights (especially in the wake of the latest shooting) is insanity.
When I turn on the news and they are discussing gun control I pray that Ted Nugent is on the program. Then I know for fact positive my voice will be heard.
If Ted doesnt represent what you think, if he is not the person you want to represent you then find one and get his or her arse on the tube, on the radio and in print. Do anything productive, but nitpicking Nugent apart is patently unproductive. Find more high profile spokesmen and I'll welcome them. And so will Ted Nugent, I guarantee it.
We are all in this thing together. And we darn well need to start acting like it.
SSN Vet
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go Ted go!
As one who has stood in line, stood beside and interacted with those that came(well over 2000 each time) I can tell you for a FACT that more NRA memberships are sold and more long separated members rejoin after a Ted Nugent appearance.
In Reading PA, The NRA booth had a trickle of visitors throughout the event until Ted spoke, then in a matter of 3 hours they had over 200 New memberships.
While at the NRA Convention in Pittsburgh my daughter and I waited in line for 45 minutes to get autographs, I had also spent most of our money on tickets for Vice President's speech, Big Jim gave her pictures for Ted to autograph(Normally a 10 dollar item,with proceeds to K4K he gave her 3). Also, we forgot to ask if we could get a picture taken and went back and waited another 45 minutes when we got to the table without anything to sign I just asked if she could have her pic taken with him, and he did without hesitation.
While Tom Selleck is out selling RV's Ted is out talking about the second amendment. Make your choice, mine is Ted... from personal experience.
In Reading PA, The NRA booth had a trickle of visitors throughout the event until Ted spoke, then in a matter of 3 hours they had over 200 New memberships.
While at the NRA Convention in Pittsburgh my daughter and I waited in line for 45 minutes to get autographs, I had also spent most of our money on tickets for Vice President's speech, Big Jim gave her pictures for Ted to autograph(Normally a 10 dollar item,with proceeds to K4K he gave her 3). Also, we forgot to ask if we could get a picture taken and went back and waited another 45 minutes when we got to the table without anything to sign I just asked if she could have her pic taken with him, and he did without hesitation.
While Tom Selleck is out selling RV's Ted is out talking about the second amendment. Make your choice, mine is Ted... from personal experience.
Stevie-Ray
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Oh, please. I really don't see this as a problem. After all, he is not grossly exaggerating anything, but our enemies do all the time! Show me where that has hurt their credibility. Fienstein? Schumer? Kennedy? Bold-faced liars, all, yet they are still the anti-gun darlings. Maybe it's high time we had a in-your-face spokesman. Maybe we could get the "as long as it's not my gun" crowd to pitch in.
Snowdiver
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Back up what you say with facts, I say what you are saying in just a fabricated story that you are "remembering" just to knock Nugent. It's OK not to like someone but you don't have to lie in order to justify you opinion. From the rest of your post I think your memory and thinking have been impared by your environment.
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Redneck with a 40
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Ted Nugent
I like Ted Nugent, I read his book awhile back, "God, Guns, and Rock 'N' Roll". This book is AWESOME, in my opinion. Ted's philosophy about gun ownership instilling the right values in people is right on, it instills responsibility, discipline, and respect. He talks extensively about being totally self-reliant when he lived in Michigan, never bought groceries, lived off of his land (hunting), I think he has the right lifestyle philosophy. While I'm not a fan of rock music, based on what I read in his book, I like Ted.
I think Ted is a good spokesman for gun owners and the RTKBA. Ted tells it like it is, doesn't take any crap, and he comes across as mild mannered and rational. Some people say that Ted portrays the "redneck" image. This does not really bother me. I'd rather have Ted defending the 2A than some yuppie 3 piece suit type.
I don't think its a mere coincidence that school shooting became an issue just in the last decade or so. This coincides with our culture going to hell in a handbasket. We have a morally depraved society that is de-sensitized to violence.
I like Ted Nugent, I read his book awhile back, "God, Guns, and Rock 'N' Roll". This book is AWESOME, in my opinion. Ted's philosophy about gun ownership instilling the right values in people is right on, it instills responsibility, discipline, and respect. He talks extensively about being totally self-reliant when he lived in Michigan, never bought groceries, lived off of his land (hunting), I think he has the right lifestyle philosophy. While I'm not a fan of rock music, based on what I read in his book, I like Ted.
I think Ted is a good spokesman for gun owners and the RTKBA. Ted tells it like it is, doesn't take any crap, and he comes across as mild mannered and rational. Some people say that Ted portrays the "redneck" image. This does not really bother me. I'd rather have Ted defending the 2A than some yuppie 3 piece suit type.
I don't think its a mere coincidence that school shooting became an issue just in the last decade or so. This coincides with our culture going to hell in a handbasket. We have a morally depraved society that is de-sensitized to violence.
Yes, Terrible Ted can be a hypocrite (as we all are at times) when it comes to drugs and women, but when it comes to guns and our gun/hunting rights I support Ted 100%. I also enjoy his music from the Amboy Duke days. My SIG line is from the song “Living in the Woods” the Album “Tooth Fang and Claw” one of his best IMHO.
Oh yea - I'm gonna go research Houston Chronicles from 10 years ago just to make U happy, and spend hours doing it. Yea, right.
Pay me by the hour and Ill get it. I know what I remember. Nice calling someone a liar there buddy, when U don't even know me. I see, because I don't like Ted Nugent, I must be lying. Hmm....
Joe Demko
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Sorry, I followed your link and to access Ted's forums you need a membership. Free or not, I'm not boosting Ted's site traffic and forum membership by joining. Suppose you give me the numbers? Total membership? Number of members who were previously antigun and were converted to pro-2A by Ted? That's the key right there. Members who already were hunters or otherwise pro-2A before joining the site don't matter. Ted didn't convert them.
Until you get back to me with that, I'll continue thinking of Ted as kind of an embarassing relative. He's part of the family, but at reunions you don't want to sit next to him and you hope he goes home before he knocks over the punchbowl showing off for the little kids.
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I do not care much for the Nuge's style of communication, but he does need to be accurate in his reporting of facts of events, as do we all! If he isn't then his words will be quoted as "lies" or "mistruths" and be used against all of us. Remember how they ran with Zumbo.
As for the unarmed individual who took out a gunman; I think its more important to look at how the person was able to keep a level head and react to the situation as oppurtunity presented itself. The same however was not achieved at VT.
As for the unarmed individual who took out a gunman; I think its more important to look at how the person was able to keep a level head and react to the situation as oppurtunity presented itself. The same however was not achieved at VT.
XavierBreath
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I agree. Contained in this post from Nugent's forum (deleted there, but preserved here) is Ted Nugent's opinion of gun owners who disagree with him.
The more "out there" a celebrity's personae is, the more "in there" they have to be with the facts, if they are to maintain credibility. It is difficult to insist that your adversary not massage facts to benefit their agenda if you massage them yourself.
As an American, Nugent is free to say whatever he wants, from whatever bully pulpit he can acquire. It is, however, the accuracy of his words, not his celebrity nor the number and loyalty of his followers, that gives him credibility.
To win over the fence sitters, you have to be credible. They are not stupid.
I saw Ted in concert before some THR members were born. I have most of his music which at times I still enjoy listening to.
I think Cesiumsponge said it best. Please read his post thoroughly.
Gun owners do not need to be convinced we are in the right. It's the anti's that need convincing. You know, the people that think when it rains it should be cotton candy and puppy dogs. While it's raining their inside baking cookies. I do like cookies.
I want someone who is appealing to that group to represent the progun establishment. A little more PC. I would think by now Ted would feel confident in himself and stop with the "over the top" sensationalism.
Just my opinion.
I think Cesiumsponge said it best. Please read his post thoroughly.
Gun owners do not need to be convinced we are in the right. It's the anti's that need convincing. You know, the people that think when it rains it should be cotton candy and puppy dogs. While it's raining their inside baking cookies. I do like cookies.
I want someone who is appealing to that group to represent the progun establishment. A little more PC. I would think by now Ted would feel confident in himself and stop with the "over the top" sensationalism.
Just my opinion.
HuntCast
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XavierBreath
Again, more dis-honesty. From a moderator no less.
I notice you didn't post any of the drivel from the other 8 pages of posts that caused that reaction? Any one of which would have caused someone to be banned for life from this and many other sites?
Imagine if you will, someone making post after post criticizing Oleg (not just criticizing, but some of the most foul stuff I have ever seen on a board) on this site, and not only not being banned, but allowed to continue doing it for hours or days. On his dime!
Eventually, there is a limit. He and another couple of users reached it.
Seems to me the only thing "High" about "The High Road" are some of it's users. Enjoy your little hypocritical world. I'll make sure and tell the couple thousand people to which I recommended this site how it really works.
Again, more dis-honesty. From a moderator no less.
I notice you didn't post any of the drivel from the other 8 pages of posts that caused that reaction? Any one of which would have caused someone to be banned for life from this and many other sites?
Imagine if you will, someone making post after post criticizing Oleg (not just criticizing, but some of the most foul stuff I have ever seen on a board) on this site, and not only not being banned, but allowed to continue doing it for hours or days. On his dime!
Eventually, there is a limit. He and another couple of users reached it.
Seems to me the only thing "High" about "The High Road" are some of it's users. Enjoy your little hypocritical world. I'll make sure and tell the couple thousand people to which I recommended this site how it really works.
XavierBreath
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Huntcast,
These are Ted Nugent's words. What is dishonest about quoting him? Mr. Nugent is free to post here. He is unable to make his posts disappear, however. Making posts that abide by the forum rules but disagree with your position disappear and banning the members who make them is what smacks of hypocrisy and dishonesty.
If Ted Nugent had not deleted entire threads and posts that disagreed with him, the "the drivel from the other 8 pages of posts that caused that reaction" would be available for anyone to read in context.
These are Ted Nugent's words. What is dishonest about quoting him? Mr. Nugent is free to post here. He is unable to make his posts disappear, however. Making posts that abide by the forum rules but disagree with your position disappear and banning the members who make them is what smacks of hypocrisy and dishonesty.
If Ted Nugent had not deleted entire threads and posts that disagreed with him, the "the drivel from the other 8 pages of posts that caused that reaction" would be available for anyone to read in context.
HuntCast
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Context, pure and simple.
If I saved posts by the moderators here at THR that banned a user, without the posts that incriminated him/her, and then said "See, they ban all those who disagree", would that be honest?
I stand by what I said, and I'm sure any reasonable person who reads your post regarding this and mine would agree with me.
BTW.......Your conspiracy theory doesn't hold water either. Nugent didn't delete anything. Pretty sure he doesn't even know how. Half the posts were screwed up in the board crash in March, and then more in the move to the new site. In fact, he had a hard time figuring out the new software, let alone being able to selectively delete posts.
XavierBreath
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Nobody has saved Nugents words here because they have a grudge against him. They are preserved here because they were discussed in a thread. Coincidentally, a thread started by yourself, which has not disappeared.
Then I stand corrected. I simply noted that the thread on Nugent's forum linked to in the original post in this thread no longer existed. If his forum crashed and threads/posts were lost, then mea culpa.
Never the less, he shared his opinion of those who disagreed with him. He has not retracted those words, nor has he apologized for them. Of course, nobody has asked him to either. Nobody expected him to. Many just noted that he did not. Many, myself included, simply read those words and said to ourselves "Wow, I don't want to be associated with this."
Oh, and I apologize for hijacking your thread with previous history, but I felt the need to illustrate why some do not think Mr. Nugent is a well spoken ambassador for our right to keep and bear arms.
fast eddie
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There is a place for intellectuals and polite debating societies. There is also a place for people like Nugent who speak in plain, visceral language to rally RKBA believers. He uses his access to media to motivate people who sit on the sidelines to get off thier rears and get involved. If you are doing your part; calling reps, writing letters, donating money to the RKBA organization of your choice then God bless you, you don't need Nugent. Winning converts isn't Nugent's job, it's ours. If it's sterile facts and figures you want, fine, go to the egg heads like Professor John Lott for those; you'll need them for your letters to your elected representatives and newspaper editors. If you want to more fully understand he soul of the RKBA movement then listen to Nugent.
Desert Dog
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Most liberals speak from emotion.
I think Ted backing our cause with emotion is commendable. Yes, he might alienate the stuffed shirt left, but he does influence the less radical of the lefties in a good way, IMHO.
It takes all kinds in a cause, and we should all agree to disagree and continue with the endeavor.
I think Ted backing our cause with emotion is commendable. Yes, he might alienate the stuffed shirt left, but he does influence the less radical of the lefties in a good way, IMHO.
It takes all kinds in a cause, and we should all agree to disagree and continue with the endeavor.
Snowdiver
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Sorry Shipwreck, calls em as I see em. Are you the same Shipwreck that 10-15 years ago needed psychiatric help for your short man syndrom?
See, your insultive nature to members here just takes away from your argument. I never said anything negative about YOU - at least not until now....
"If you calls em as you see em," then you should look in the mirror and see how stupid you look.
Amazing how telling the truth about Nugent brings that out in you.
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