For those who dislike Nugent

[T J]

In my business life, I have discovered that different people resond to different treatment or handling. Some need to be talked to nicely and more or less held by the hand, some need to be talked to sternly (or worse). The bottom line to me is I am trying to get the results I want out of them for my Company for them to complete their contractual obligations. It seems to me that this might well apply to those of us her who are trying to advance the cause that we all here should be trying to accomplish given the nature of this forum. It seems to me that in-fighting (or so it seems from some of the previous posts) is counter productive to this end. Some people, maybe those not raised with the tradition of guns as many of us were might respond to Ted more redily given his celebrity status and come on board. Some others might better respond to another more low key method of delivery to get the message across. To me here again, The Bottom line is the advancement of the cause. We need to keep sight of the big picture in this endeavor, and not fall into the pitfalls of doing the opposition's work for them by imploding through bickering amongst ourselves.

 

[Snowdiver]

See, your insultive nature to members here just takes away from your argument. I never said anything negative about YOU - at least not until now....

"If you calls em as you see em," then you should look in the mirror and see how stupid you look.

Amazing how telling the truth about Nugent brings that out in you.

Recalling something that happened almost twenty years ago without substantiation started this whole thing. Your made up comments, to further your agenda, show your true colors.

 

[Hunt4life]

XavierBreath, after all your reply to my post you banned huntcast? LOL OK.

He disagrees with you, challenged you, but when Ted tells his mods to zap people who rip him apart, lie and insult him with names and such he's a bad guy?

So in your opinion Ted should take the insults on his board, allow people to insult his board members and moderators but you shouldn't have to tolerate it on a board you moderate! Fine lol

Ted was on CNN twice last week and those shows were re-run all day yesterday. He was on nationally syndicated radio virtually everyday since the shootings. His message was great and his delivery flawless. You can complain about him until the cows come but it won't change the fact that he is one of the largest assets gun-owners have.

 

[XD Fan]

The anger here is a little bizarre. Why should everyone be required to have an appreciation for the guy or his tactics? This smacks of "If you do not agree with me then you are evil."

I do not think the guy is the best representative of our cause to the fence sitting/anti crowd. So what? Why crucify people for not liking Nugent or his tactics.

That being said, it generally seems to me that his real role in the battle is to rally those of us who agree with him to do more than shake our heads.

 

[XavierBreath]

Hunt4life,

Huntcast has not been banned. He is a member in good standing here. Whether he choses to continue to respond is his perogative.

Personal attacks will cease, however. Personal attacks such as this.

Are you the same Shipwreck that 10-15 years ago needed psychiatric help for your short man syndrom?

Lets get this thread back on track guys.

 

[Shipwreck]

Recalling something that happened almost twenty years ago without substantiation started this whole thing. Your made up comments, to further your agenda, show your true colors.

Yea, I made it up. Sure. Yep, you got it. I also made up the time when Nugent got discussed on some other forum 1-2 years ago, and someone else remembered the Houston concert deal. Made him up too

Are you the same Shipwreck that 10-15 years ago needed psychiatric help for your short man syndrom?

I have no idea where the heck U got this from dude. 6'2", and not using this screenname way back when...

 

[HuntCast]

Well, after my post, I couldn't get access to the forum. Figured I was banned??
I did get in later, so I thought maybe you changed your mind? No worries, I thought I would have recieved an e-mail too, lol!

p.s. I probably would have banned me after my little rant, so you can see my confusion?

 

[Snowdiver]

That being said, it generally seems to me that his real role in the battle is to rally those of us who agree with him to do more than shake our heads.

I was led to Nugent's site during the Zumbo thing from AR15.com. I'll tell you what he did just what you're talking about, lit a fire under me and since that time I've written both my Senators, my Congressman, twenty newspapers, all about the Second Amendment. And I can't type for #hit! Whatever you think, it's all about OUR SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS and I will help out in my feeble way. Carryon!

 

[Hunt4life]

The anger here is a little bizarre. Why should everyone be required to have an appreciation for the guy or his tactics? This smacks of "If you do not agree with me then you are evil."

I do not think the guy is the best representative of our cause to the fence sitting/anti crowd. So what? Why crucify people for not liking Nugent or his tactics.

That being said, it generally seems to me that his real role in the battle is to rally those of us who agree with him to do more than shake our heads.

Nugent gets a piece published that is absolutely good for the cause, he is on CNN non-stop for the last 4 days (I've seen the Glen Beck roundtable at least 5 times), but all some people can do is say what they don't like about him and pick him apart. They act like he is evil. Not surprisingly, that causes some folks to get frustrated.

Ya know, Wayne La Pierre's voice, cadence and delivery are akin to fingernails on a chalk board for me. But never once have I tried to tear the man down. Why would I? What good could possibly come from it? He's on our side. He can gather an audience. He reaches who he reaches. That's good for our side.

Btw, where is Wayne since the shootings? Where is the guy folks like to say would be a good spokesmen for us (Tom Selleck)? I've had cable news on at home and on the road all week, where are the other spokesmen that do speak for you guys?

Damn! Not only do we look a gift horse in the mouth, we want to butcher and feed him to the dogs too. Worse: We are the dogs! That is definitely frustrating.

 

[Ryder]

"Our enemy is the gun owners that don't belong to the NRA."

Did he really say this? Link? Details?

 

[Run&Shoot]

Pretty funny or sad discussion here. An ENTERTAINER makes some pointed remarks to stir up thinking about how ridiculous gun laws are in respect to self defense and he gets ripped for not being 100% accurate.

Some of the disparaging remarks were themselves inaccurate! Are the sophisticated critics here trying to hold Ted to a higher standard than they themselves are willing to uphold?

The basic message e he was conveying is 100% correct and needs the publicity. If one of the critics had bothered to look into Texas law they would understand that it was perfectly legal to have a gun in the vehicle, but not to carry it into Lubie's. get your facts straight before you lambaste someone else. Hupp broke no laws in being a victim and holding her dying parents in her arms.

After criticizing Ted then the critics are hurt that they in turn get criticized. Boo hoo. What's that saying about throwing rocks when you live in a glass house? Oh yeah, don't!

We need scholars, we need grunts, and we need inspirations. If you are inspired and moved to action by reading a list of criminal statistics, more power to you and go get them tiger! Just make sure you do all the careful research and double checking of every fact before you speak as well. Others of us appreciate the tables of facts but also enjoy a good hair raising rebel yell to the cause (even a Yankee like me) to remind us that a fight for freedom is more that just being right, it is about staying in the fight and maing sacrifices and fighting relentlessly.

I now have my Nomex long johns on, so flame away oh flawed, imperfect critics. I confess I error and it should be easy to pick me apart on your table of data. Cut with your rusty blade of intellect, your bent saw of reasoning. Inspect with your cracked microscope my faults.

Or, we could all listen to some Nugent rock, shoot the bull and get ready for a day at the range.

 

[Eleven Mike]

For those who dislike Nugent
speaking for them.........
I have to ask,
Why???

Because we can do better.

Because he seems like the sort of reckless rube that fits the gun nut stereotype. I'd rather be represented by someone who's well-groomed and looks, talks and acts more like a normal, work-a-day citizen.

Not that I don't respect whatever he might have done for us, I'd just prefer someone more respectable.

 

[DrBoomBoom]

Ted Nugent will be on NBC tomorrow morning speaking about the VT murders.

No matter what I think of him, I'd rather see Nugent on TV than Rosie.

 

[XDKingslayer]

Could be his alleged listing in the sleaziest moments of rock 'n roll history that upset many, including myself.

It's #63: http://www.vh1.com/news/articles/143...000/id_0.jhtml

I do not think a man of such character should be seen as a spokesman for us. Just my $.02.

In his defence, her parents OK'd it.

And that's pretty tame considering the others on that list.

 

[XD Fan]

We need scholars, we need grunts, and we need inspirations.

Agreed, and I think inspiration is the primary role for Nugent in the argument. He is rallying the troops, not convincing the antis.

 

[Hunt4life]

Because we can do better.

Because he seems like the sort of reckless rube that fits the gun nut stereotype. I'd rather be represented by someone who's well-groomed and looks, talks and acts more like a normal, work-a-day citizen.

Not that I don't respect whatever he might have done for us, I'd just prefer someone more respectable.

Paroozing cable news tonight... there was Nugent on Paula Zahn supporting the 2nd-A in a piece stacked against us. Just like all weekend long on Glen Beck, there was Nugent, defending our honor and rights. Speaking for me.

No one else on the horizon to fill all the spots needed ("respectable" Mr. Rogers types, or not)

I really wish you guys would find all these "better" people and get them some air time. Lot's of opportunities to speak, so few to do it. And they are NEEDED.

Anyone seen Tom Selleck lately? He's been talked about endlessly but... ??

 

[XavierBreath]

Hunt4life,
With all honesty, I suspect Selleck is not invited on these shows for the very reason Nugent is. There is an apparent goal of portraying gun owners in an unbecoming light.

 

[RPCVYemen]

I happen to agree with Double Naught Spy and a few others here. I think that flamboyant tactics and "in your face" statements play very well to those who already agree with you. In the south, we call that "preaching to the choir", and it's not considered a particularly arduous task - or a very good test of a sermon.

I am very concerned about the next set of elections - I think that we need to be reaching out to folks who may not agree with us, not sitting around our own little circle telling each other knee slappers.

The good news is that some of the Democrats who were elected in the last go around were pro gun. I sure hope the NRA was contributing to their campaigns! Does anyone know?

Unfortunately, I think that the NRA decided a while ago that it was perfectly happy being a minor fund raising adjunct of the Republican party - that looks like a genius strategy when the Republicans are in power. But their is a downside to the strategy of being so tightly tied to any one of the parties - when that party screws up, you are out in the cold. And both parties screw up.

I am a member of the NRA, but that's more for the safety courses and education than for their handcuffing themselves to Cheney and Bush.

Mike

 

[Snowdiver]

I sure hope the clean cut, respectable spokesman for my Second Amendment rights speaks up soon. While he is sitting on his hands and watching TV there are those out there succeeding in stealing my rights. I can't wait for Mr. Clean, until then I am glad Ted Nugent is giving it his all. Come out, come out, wherever you are, we need you NOW. Nugent is now, pow, wow, but I am still waiting for the Unknown Saint.

 

[Cesiumsponge]

Why would far left liberal media centers want a well spoken orator in a suit and tie when they can try to further reinforce their artificially created stereotype on what gunowners should look and sound like?

All of a sudden, you're going to let wishful thinking clout the obvious media bias and agenda we've already seen before when it comes to gun rights?

It's already been stated that Nugent does more to rally the troops than convert the nonbelievers because that methodology isn't optimized for converting people. I've beaten this dead horse enough already. Those that are convinced they're right won't even listen to remote suggestions...prime example of why Nugent won't work on most anti's and fence-sitters because once your mind is made up, you cease to listen. If nudging and baby steps won't work, getting hit by a freight train won't get any further. Same problems we have in politics, religion, and most everything else.

 

[XD Fan]

I sure hope the clean cut, respectable spokesman for my Second Amendment rights speaks up soon.

I recently read a thread on this forum that contains an OpEd peice by Fred Thompson that was the clean cut, calm and reasoned arguement for all we believe in about concealed carry, especially in light of VA Tech.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=271563&highlight=Fred+Thompson

The problem is that the calm, clean cut folks don't get air time on the mainstream media. Fred Thompson ends up in the National Review--a good publication with a specific purpose. However that purpose is not to convince fence sitters or convert their opponents. The mainstream media would rather put the flambouyant like Nugent on the air. It is better for ratings. They do this in lots of issues. Al Sharpton is not the best spokesman for convincing people of affirmative action, yet he continually gets air time on the media. It is about ratings. Nuge gets a reaction that translates into ratings. Calm and reasoened changes minds but does not get ratings.

 

[Hunt4life]

With all honesty, I suspect Selleck is not invited on these shows for the very reason Nugent is. There is an apparent goal of portraying gun owners in an unbecoming light.

Unbelievable.

Did you see the show? Did you see him on Glen Beck? Have you seen Nugent speak on a cable news program ever? I've seen him on a lot of them and he has yet to make gun owners look bad.

I suspect they bring him on because they are interested in how this hardcore R&R guy known for his over the top and often tongue in cheek stage act comes on and is calm, polite, articulate, knowledgeable... I think they are fascinated that all the BS they "heard" about him doesn't hold water and he is a good guest.

But enough about Ted Nugent. It's not a one-size-fits-all world and the field is wide open for more speakers, let's recruit some. Or is it a lost cause since they don't want "good" pro-gun speakers?

 

[joab]

For those who dislike Nugent
speaking for them.........
I have to ask,
Why???

Because just because a child molesting, chicken hawk draft dodging bigot shares my view on guns does not mean I have to admire the man or accept that he speaks for me in general.

Hitler shared my opinion of Ballistol, he was still evil

 

[Richbaker]

Quote:"Because just because a child molesting, chicken hawk draft dodging bigot shares my view on guns does not mean I have to admire the man or accept that he speaks for me in general."
HUH??? Not the Nuge, I doubt you even know who he is...

 

[XavierBreath]

Yes, I have seen Ted do his stuff on TV.

I believe this thread has gone about as far as it can, and it has now dropped to name calling. It's time to shut it down. If anyone feels differently, feel free to PM me, or another moderator to discuss it.

For those who are looking for a more "clean cut" gun advocate, look in the mirror. See what you can do. Take a fence sitter shooting. There is more strength in numbers than there is in volume.

For those who see Ted Nugent as a good spokesman, I'm glad he is getting the air time. You are definitely correct in the regard that he is stepping up to the plate.

As far as this thread goes though, it is closed.