Glock Accuracy Claim

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I've seen a couple people over the years hit paper plates, no rest, at
100 yds. One was a custom 1911 by a guy who builds them for a living,
the other was a stock, "bottom" of the line, Kimber. Granted, a paper
plate is not 4", but still impressive.

We need some Marines to chime in here on 1911 feats at 100 yds......
 
Ross Seyfried did an article a few years back in which he commisioned a custom Ruger Bisley 5 shot gun in .45 Colt, added a scope, and shot some 1" groups from a rest at 100 yards.

He also noted that it wouldn't have been remotely possible with iron sights.

I've got nothing against Glock and nothing against LEOs. But if anyone on the planet tells me he shoots 4" groups offhand with an iron sighted handgun, I go all Missouri on him: "Show Me".
 
for me, it would just be a waste of lead to even attempt such a feat. im not saying its impossible, but i am saying that its not probable. im not so sure locked in a vise 4" groups can be expected at that range. if the guy can back it up, take some vid and post it, id love to see it done.
 
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We need some Marines to chime in here on 1911 feats at 100 yds......

Well since you asked but this was a few years after my Marine Corps time.:D

In 1967 a BS artist at work made the statement that the GI 1911 was inaccurate and so underpowered that you could catch the bullets at 100 yards.
Yeah, I know the guy was an idiot about guns.

I told him I have a GI 45 that I bought from the government, through the NRA (1961 NIB for $17).

I said the gun will put at least 4-5 rounds out of 7 in a large Folgers coffee can at 100 yards. Of course he said BS.

When I got home I put a page of black photo album at my 100 yard (3/8 inch steel) backstop. I sat on the ground with my back against a big dog house and rested the gun between my knees.

It took two mags to get the correct elevation. I fired the third magazine "for record" If the coffee can had been in front of the paper 5 bullets would have hit it.

The next morning I took the target and some copper and lead slivers, that had been the 45 FMJ bullets to work it show the guy.
Of course he said he didn't believe it.
I said OK, "You name the bet and we'll see."
He still kept talking but wouldn't bet.

As it happened one of my Army helicopter students was the most decorated man on post. He got a Silver Star as a chopper door gunner after being shot down.

The blow hard told my student, "Your instructor is FOS. He can't hit anything at 100 yards with a 45".
I heard later that my student told him, "If Mr B********* says he can do it, you had better not bet against him. I got my Silver Star using the 45."


I later read the student's Silver Star award.
When shot down the chopper crashed upside down, hanging the pilot in the harness with a broken back and jamming the M60 in the door frame.
The gunner had only his 1911A1 and a few boxes of 45 in a 30 cal ammo can.
They had crashed in a big rice paddy behind a dike.
When the gunner looked over the dike there was a single VC 7 yards away. The gunner killed him.

The award goes on to tell how the gunner shot a BUNCH of VC that came at him one at a time across the rice paddy. ( I don't remember how many)

When they were rescued it was measured that the gunner had killed the VC from 7 yards to 97 yards with the 45.

No one could figure out why the VC came at him one at a time, except maybe they were green troops and thought the gunner was trying to sucker them out into the rice paddy where he could open up on them with the M60 (which of course they knew he had).


BTW I did teach him to fly.:)
 
I have a glock 17, and im not the best shot in the world, and i definately dont get enough practice, being away at school and all, BUT from my experience 4" groups at 100 yrds with a G19...yea, thats easy, i can do it at 200 yrds with my 17:rolleyes:
 
For the price, Glock 9mm's (dont' have enough experience with the other makes) are VERY accurate. When I really concentrate, I can shoot quarter-sized five shot groups at 50 ft. with my Glock 17. I can also hit my 10" steel spinner at 100 yds. about 50-60% of the time with the same gun. Both standing, offhand. The gun's fairly capable, if the shooter's capable.

That said, I've yet to see a pistol shot who can hold a 4" five shot group at 100 yds. consistently (with ANY kind of handgun). Hell, IIRC, that was the accuracy standard for the old M1 Garand rifles. Maybe it was the group of a lifetime? I've even watched Bruce Gray shoot, and he's famous for shooting freakishly tight groups. Even with his tricks (like pressing only when the sight is in the center third of his wobble zone), a 4" group at 100 yds. seems highly implausible.

IOW, I'd bet good $$$ your friend's full of :cuss: . ;)
 
One more 1911 story.

About 1968 another flight instructor at the Army school asked me if I had a 1911 that I'd sell him. He had a little girl and wanted a big gun that she couldn't pick up or possibly work the slide.

I said I have a beautiful chrome GI 1911A1 in a nice presentation case. I said I'd sell it to him for $75, but with two conditions.
First he must learn to shoot to my satisfaction. I would sell him my reloads at cost.
Second, if he decided to get rid of the gun he must give me first crack at it at a fair price.

The first day after all the safety, etc, instruction we started at about 15 yards.
I said that black paper is the chest of a BG in your house. Empty the gun as fast as you can but make every shot count. He shot everything but the paper, including a couple rounds into the ground.

Of course he started blaming the "inaccurate" GI 45.
I loaded the gun and said do you see that green thing against the 100 yard backstop? That's a last years Texas license plate.
I put one round over, one round under and hit the plate with the third round.
The guy couldn't believe it. There was no more talk about the gun being inaccurate.

After several weeks of interesting, fun shooting the man was doing all right.

He came out the house for some more practice.
I said today is final examination.
The second license plate is at the 100 yard backstop. Hit it.

He was doubtful but hit it on the third shot.
I said, you have graduated.:D

You never saw a guy so happy about his shooting.:)
 
I've an S&W model 66 with a 4 inch barrel. I don't shoot it much but I did take it to the range one day. Anyway we'd set up a bunch of bowling pins out there and a friend was close by so I said the infamous words: "Watch this" and took a shot at a pesky pin out there at 100 yards. There was enough of a berm to see just how I missed (just over the shoulder of the pin. I adjusted my sight picture and shot again and knocked the pin over.

Of course I didn't shoot the 66 again that day... :)

(I'm really not that good) I musta stayed at a Holiday Inn, or something the night before...
 
For the record, I'm not saying that other people can't make those shots, I'm saying personally I don't have enough experience/skill to make those shots with that kind of grouping...

I'm new to pistol shooting, been doing it on and off for the past 5 years or so... Now that I have my own pistol, I'm hoping to improve that.
 
I'm calling BS on the 4" groups @ 100 yrds with anything other than a scoped Contender.

There are a number of handguns that will shoot well under 4" @ 100, but none of them are service pistols.

As I said before, I have 3 handguns that will shoot 2.5-4 MOA @ 100 from a sandbagged rest. All three are autoloaders. All three also have scopes and fixed barrels.
 
I guess it could be possible if you had match-grade barrels. But that would be some fancy shooting.
 
I just have never seen a glock capable of better than 4" at 15 yards.
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Now you have. This group was shot with a Glock 17 that I bought used--it was a range rental gun before I got it. No, it's not been modified nor upgraded in any way.

Better than 4" at 15 yards, but still a LONG way from 4" at 100 yards. ;)
 
Some of my better targets. All shot offhand. G20 10mm

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If he heard that story correctly, then I would bet he knows a bullcrap artist. Yes, wave the flag. Does the room stink when that guy walks in? Are his eyes brown? Does he make YOU fart?

Service pistol at 100? no way. I took my USP out the other day and at one hundred fired one full mag. five hits on about a 2 1/2 foot square box, out of 12. I didn't think that was too bad considering I had to get my elevation, and new sights(mepro, and yes I'm making excuses). Even so, it was line up and then lift, cuz you can't see the target when you are holding 2-3ft above the target. I absolutely don't believe that guy.

Off topic, but important to me. Does anyone know the exact dimensions of a pop can? :neener:
 
Glock Accuracy Claim

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I was talking to local LEO today who suggested that he could routinely hit four inch groups at 100 yds. with his Glock 19 w/ compensted barrel....XD Fan

I think we have gotten so involved in posting targets and calling BS, that we may have lost some objectivity here.

I will tell you what 30 years of packing service pistols, conducting LE firearms training, and pushing myself for peak accuracy, have taught me.

There are a lot of revolvers, which are capable of that degree of mechanical accuracy. In fact, 4 MOA is pretty much my "cut off" point for revolver accuracy. If they won't shoot this well, I won't keep them around the place.

Service pistols are another story. We expect them to be reliable; fine accuracy is not something we typically expect from them. One of our more prolific handgun scribes has repeatedly stated in print, that 4 to 4.5 inches, at 25 yards, is all we should expect from them.

Now that right there, is "Bool-sheet."

Run of the mill Glocks will routinely shoot twice that well. If the aforementioned “compensated barrel” in the Glock XD Fan mentioned, also happens to be a fitted “match” barrel, it could in fact be capable of 4 MOA. It is no great shakes to get a 1911 to exhibit this kind of accuracy. The group below, fired with a mildly-accurized $335.00 Auto Ordnance WWII Model, has four rounds in an inch and the flyer was most certainly MY fault. It was shot with the stock barrel a WW “White Box” JHP’s.
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Don’t kid yourselves. There are some service pistols out there capable of 4 MOA- I carry one every day. Now, I can’t shoot it that well every day, on demand, under any lighting conditions, etc. Therein lies the rub. There have been times when I could and have produced 4 MOA handgun groups repeatedly, from a rest and at a full 100 yards, on a GOOD day. If I told you I could do it “routinely” however, I would be as FOS as the proverbial Christmas Goose.

Maybe XD Fan’s cop buddy is really that good; some people are. They are pretty rare, particularly in law enforcement.
 
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