HIGH capacity mags for .308 rifles

[Caliburn]

We got to talking about a suitable arsenal for a bunch of guys to go back in time and win the Civil War or the American Revolution. (You've all had those same discussions.)


Are there any .308 rifles that take can accept really big magazines? Like the AK 75 round drums and that funky M-16 mag that looks like two tuna cans. Has anyone ever made a 50-70 round drum for a M14-M1A or FNFAL? Or Mausers or Enfields. Something like that would make a great semi auto support weapon like a RPK but more powerful. 7.62x39 wouldn't do much to stop cavalry.

 

[Zak Smith]

Think "belt."

 

[Zundfolge]

Zak's got the right idea ... belt in a box ... think M60 or better yet FN Mk48

 

[Caliburn]

Don't you need class 3 or something to get a belt fed? This idea was for what we civilians already had.

If we could get the belt fed stuff, we might as well have artillery, and tactical air support. An Apache or 2 would righteously decimate a Napoleanic army. I wonder how a battery of bronze cannon would do as AA.

Zundfolge - that Mk48 - pretty!

(Maybe I've been watching too much History Channel lately!)

 

[Triad]

You don't need a tax stamp if it's semi auto.

To answer the original question, I have seen one for the G3/HK91. Capacity was 100 rounds IIRC.

 

[artherd]

Not only are Semi-auto Browning M2HB 'rifles' perfectly legal for civillian ownership, they are CALIFORNIA legal as well!

Yes, that's right, you can have a 1,000 round belt-fed .50CAL chaingun, but not an AR-15 here in the PRK.

 

[Ian]

I've seen 70-round mags for the M1A, FAL, and HK-91 at a couple gun shows. A guy took MG34 double drums and bodged them together with a variety of .308 mag bodies. The final product looked vaguely like a Beta-C mag, but bigger. He wanted (IIRC) $1500 each, and they were really heavy.

 

[DMK]

Don't you need class 3 or something to get a belt fed? This idea was for what we civilians already had.

OK, you can imagine time travel, but you can't imagine a world where citizens own full auto weapons legally.
God help us, we really are too far gone.

OK, since we're in an imagination mood..... wouldn't a belt fed, Izzy HB FAL with quick detach 18", compensated barrels, topped with an Aimpoint red dot be cool?

I'd think a couple guys armed with those beasts could tear up some cavalry.

As long as they aren't the type of cavalry riding steads with names like Bradly and Abrams that is.

 

[4v50 Gary]

Bigger isn't necessarily better. We're talking about a weapon system operated by one man and not a crew served system. If big magazines are a must, HK made a twin snail drum for the MG version of the G-3. More practicable though would be the 30 round mags (I'm unsure if they weren't made for an importer). There were 30 round mags for the FN though.

This select corps of riflemen must be used defensively. You can't risk losing a rifle. That is, have them serve as sharpshooters to pick off anyone who tries to shoot your skirmishers.

In the defensive, priority is to pick off leaders first and signal men (buglers & drummers) and then artillerymen as they could reach out. The Cavalry or riflemen come next.

 

[Chipperman]

"Yes, that's right, you can have a 1,000 round belt-fed .50CAL chaingun, but not an AR-15 here in the PRK."

Isn't there a rule about the belt itself being Pre-Ban? I've heard that people in Kali are making sure they do not use the last 10 rounds so they can reassemble the belt later legally. Crazy Stuff.

 

[artherd]

Chipperman- Yes, belted/'linked' ammunition is considered an 'ammunition feeding device'.

As such, any 'ammunition feeding device' with the 'capacity to accept' more than 10 rounds, is a High-cap, and also as such, no longer permissible to IMPORT into, or MANUFACTUAR WITHIN, CA.

Posession of a mag made before 1/1/2000 is also listed in the actual law as prohibited, however in a pamphlet produced by the DOJ, it clearly says "Possession of high-capacity magazines is not controlled."

The one exception provided is for high-caps possessed by you legally before 1/1/2000. I got mine in early '99 (for many guns I didn't even own yet) so I am OK. You can also visit say Nevada with your CA-legal High-caps and then return. (this does not constitute 'importation'.)


The issue of links is a grey area. You can shoot a 17 round glock mag dry, and then re-load it. You can even crack the floorplate in the process, and then RE ASSEMBLE AND RE-LOAD it later.

So why could you not shoot a 1000round belt dry and then RE ASSEMBLE AND RE-LOAD that belt from those links, with new rounds?

There is absolutely NO furthur language on belted/linked ammo that I am aware of, other than classifiying it as an 'ammunition storage device' or magazine. The rest would be up to a matter of interpretation in a trial (get a good lawyer.)

Many are playing it safe and never shooting the last 10. Pretty nutty in my opinion that the laws here are so shady as to perpetrate this kind of practice. Given the nature of the laws and CA LEOs (who of course have the exact letter of every law memorized), it's probally prudent.



Yes, I had to become well aquainted with legalease just to get a rifle here and stay out of prision. No I'm not any kind of Lawyer. Just a regular gun owner not yet sent to the slammer.