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CA to NYC, huh? Talk about jumping from the frying pan into the fire... 
How can I legally own a firearm in NYC? are there any legal alternatives?
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NYC will want to know your primary "ABODE" the place were you consider home. Since you said that you are renting an apartment and pay utility bills, that is sufficient enough to establish an abode, your place of residence. It would be advantagious to get a NYS drivers lic.
This is why I will NEVER, EVER move to New York or California. Even New Zealand has less restrictive guns laws. They even gave up registration years ago because they realized the folly and uselessness of resistering firearms. AND they actually encourage the use of suppressors so farm animals don't get scared.
"I grew up in Maryland and for that reason, I believe, don't feel naked when I'm not carrying."
Me too! I hear things have gotten worse in MD since I left, more like NY. Pathetic.
"I grew up in Maryland and for that reason, I believe, don't feel naked when I'm not carrying."
Me too! I hear things have gotten worse in MD since I left, more like NY. Pathetic.
It's NYC, the five boroughs that is restrictive, not impossible, just restrictive. The rest of the state is very flexible, some more than others, according to County, Town, Village etc. NYC is geographically very small compared to the rest of the state. Although a significant population lives and works in the five boroughs of NYC, many live outside of the boroughs and enjoy a much more liberal ability to own long guns and handguns. I grew up within the five boroughs. You would be very surprised how many house holds own firearms. In my own experience living in Manhattan proper (the Big Apple), Brooklyn, Maspeth and Bayside, about 7 out of 10 families owned various types of long guns or handguns. I now live in Nassau County, and enjoy full carry concealed. I'm about 20 miles outside of NYC. I dare say that due to our dense population, our state is probably more armed than many other states.
Just about everyone I know owns more than one long gun or handgun.
With nearly 20 million people, we are only about 3 million behind Texas.
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If you don't mind the commute, consider residing in SW Connecticut.
Greenwich to midtown is about 45 minutes. Of course, getting uptown can be a PITA. But, in Connecticut,
1) We have CCW.
2) You can bring your handguns with you when you move.
3) You can have EBRs, subject to certain exceptions and restrictions.
Greenwich to midtown is about 45 minutes. Of course, getting uptown can be a PITA. But, in Connecticut,
1) We have CCW.
2) You can bring your handguns with you when you move.
3) You can have EBRs, subject to certain exceptions and restrictions.
Speedo66
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Well, legally you can carry in bars, but many clubs check you for weapons at the door.
Funny story. Yankee Stadium, world series, a security guard is feeling jacket pockets and running her hands around your waist before you enter looking for guns.
She finds one under my jacket. "Is that a gun?" she asks. "Yes" I answer. "OK"
No other response, i.e. are you a cop, do you have a shield, why are you carrying, etc. Just "OK" and lets me proceed.
My son was speechless. My only thought was, "do I look that harmless?"
Funny story. Yankee Stadium, world series, a security guard is feeling jacket pockets and running her hands around your waist before you enter looking for guns.
She finds one under my jacket. "Is that a gun?" she asks. "Yes" I answer. "OK"
No other response, i.e. are you a cop, do you have a shield, why are you carrying, etc. Just "OK" and lets me proceed.
My son was speechless. My only thought was, "do I look that harmless?"
Also remember, No guns of any kind on school property. Small containers of OC are legal in NY. The neighborhood around Columbia is ok but don't go into Morningside park. South of 125th St is better than north. Always carry a small amount of cash to appease the muggers. The chances of you going thru 4 years in that neighborhood without being mugged is slim.
If you want to commute, you can live in Westchester and take the train to 125 St. You can own a long gun in Westchester w/o a permit as long as its not subject to the AWB. Target permits can be had as well but it will take 6 to 12 months. Full carry permits are not.
If you want to commute, you can live in Westchester and take the train to 125 St. You can own a long gun in Westchester w/o a permit as long as its not subject to the AWB. Target permits can be had as well but it will take 6 to 12 months. Full carry permits are not.
secamp32 said:
Not sure that's true - my sister went to law school at Columbia, and now lives on the upper West Side. I used to party a bit with a buddy at Columbia, and never had trouble. That was 20 years ago, and from what folks tell me, that area is better now than it was then.
That's all true south of 125th Street - I never went up past Columbia, which I think is at 110th or so.
Depending on who you ask, Giuliani either cleaned up the city, or had the luck to be the mayor when the big city cleaned itself up.
Simple bits of advice:
- Keep your wits about you, and be very aware of your surroundings after dark.
- Never flash money around at a bar, etc.
- Being obviously drunk on the street marks you as fresh meat. If you are going to be drunk on the street, don't look like you have any money. That's the gambit that probably saved me as a kid.
- Pay attention to what the locals say.
Not being city bred, I don't understand why, but crime in NYC is very concentrated geographically. The averages belie the fact that there are very safe neighborhoods in NYC, and very dangerous neighborhoods. I don't know why the bad guy just don't go to another neighborhood, but they generally don't. - Whenever possible, after dark, walk with a friend. You don't need to be wildly paranoid about this, but if you're heading out somewhere at night, and another person is going the same way, then walk with them.
- When in doubt, talk to a policeman. You will see a lot of them. By and large, it's a very professional and friendly force. If you wonder about a neighborhood or situation, and you see a cop, don't hesitate to walk up to them and say, "I'm not from around here. Is this a stupid place for me to be?" I had an undercover cop walk up to me (at 3:00 AM in Morningside Park ), and suggest that it wasn't a very safe place to be drinking. He suggested that walk back up the street.
- If you look like a student, nobody's that interested in you. Oddly enough, people who rob people generally do it for the money.
BTW, I have heard the stories about keeping a "mugger wallet", etc. I classify that as an urban myth - I have never known anyone who lived in NYC who did that.
I have been visiting the city regularly for almost a half century - the Bronx as a kid, and Manhattan pretty regularly since the late 60s. Never a lick of trouble. I have done some pretty stupid things in that time - so I can't say luck doesn't have anything to do with it.
But over all, NYC is pretty safe - much lower rates of violent crime than most major cities in the US, and much lower than whole states in the south (where I live). If you search THR for that Jodie Foster viglante movie, we kicked the stats around quite a bit - the movie points out repeatedly that NYC is the "safest big city in the world". The stats overall back up that claim.
Prince Yamato said:
They key is to love NYC for what it is - everything that Prince Yamato says, and more. If you head to the city expecting it to be Lower Alabama, then you are going to be disappointed. If you head to Lower Alabama expecting it to be NYC, you'll be disappointed as well. I don't know where you are from, but as I recall, it's far safer than almost any big city in California (I may be wrong about that).
Mike
And generally, much safer.
NYC has lower crime stats that almost every major city in Texas.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_cities_by_crime_rate
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Worker in NYC, Resides in Yonkers
I think you can carry a blade on your person as long as it is under 4' in length. Dont quote me on that because I've tried looking up the maximum carry length and could only find refrences to that, nothing hard and solid. I live just outside NYC in Yonkers so if you ever want to get a range day going, I'll bring along my mini collection. Ruger 10/22, Savage .22 Mag, Hi Point Carbine .40, and the all powerful, super sexy AR-15.
I think you can carry a blade on your person as long as it is under 4' in length. Dont quote me on that because I've tried looking up the maximum carry length and could only find refrences to that, nothing hard and solid. I live just outside NYC in Yonkers so if you ever want to get a range day going, I'll bring along my mini collection. Ruger 10/22, Savage .22 Mag, Hi Point Carbine .40, and the all powerful, super sexy AR-15.
Not to mention Connecticut is gorgeous, if pricey, and you've got train service from Katonah to downtown (my late in-laws lived in Ridgefield).
If you can stand the commute, CT would be the better option for what your concerns are. You can always stay overnight in town with friends from time to time to get your NYC nightlife fix
Springmom
There is very little to no info on the process of getting your permit on the internet or .gov sites. I think that's done purposefully to make it harder for people to get permits but trust me, having gone thru the process and helped others go thru it, the best way is to ask someone who's done it
The guy has to go to school in Columbia I think commuting from CT is a bit far fetched
I think just about everything that can be said about nyc gun laws has already been said here, but i want to add one thing- there are NO character references on the handgun application. I just put mine in three weeks ago, it costs about $450 in fees and they do fingerprint you, you need all kinds of notarized forms and statements, they call you back in a few months for an "interview" and that's it. for a premises/residence license, at least- it has been stated correctly that in order to ccw you need to prove "explicit need" by either being a nightclub owner or a celebrity (howard stern, donald trump, robert deniro all have nyc ccw licenses). average joe doesn't stand a chance.
i've spent a lot of time in that area, if you have even the slightest bit of street smarts you'll be able to figure out where it's safe to walk at night and where it's not. that neighborhood is gentrifying incredibly fast, you should have no problem whatsoever walking between classes and dorms and apartments and bars and restaurants without ever being in the slightest bit of danger.
i've spent a lot of time in that area, if you have even the slightest bit of street smarts you'll be able to figure out where it's safe to walk at night and where it's not. that neighborhood is gentrifying incredibly fast, you should have no problem whatsoever walking between classes and dorms and apartments and bars and restaurants without ever being in the slightest bit of danger.
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I am a native new yorker living in Florida.
trust me, NYC sucks.
Get yourself a sturdy CANE.
learn how to use it.
stay out of NASTIER areas of the city.
BE very aware of your surroundings.
trust me, NYC sucks.
Get yourself a sturdy CANE.
learn how to use it.
stay out of NASTIER areas of the city.
BE very aware of your surroundings.
This "No Character Letters" thing is new unless of course they ask for it when you go in for your interview which does happen so just be prepared.
There are many things that aren't stated but they MAY ask you for.
One time the investigating officer made my friend re-notarize her letters because they were all from the same notary!
No logic, no reason, just be prepared for the worst
There are many things that aren't stated but they MAY ask you for.
One time the investigating officer made my friend re-notarize her letters because they were all from the same notary!
No logic, no reason, just be prepared for the worst
Caliban said:
Good to hear that. I spent a week in Manhattan on vacation two weeks ago, and spent a lot of time between 84th (my sister's apartment) and 94th (a hotel) - when I wasn't in the Village
. That's a little south of Columbia, but it seemed to me like a pretty safe neighborhood. Lots of sidewalk restaurants/cafes with lots of people in them until 10 or 11 at night. Nobody just hanging on the street corners, front stoops, etc. That's always a good sign.I don't know how much I have in the way of street smarts, but when I am in the city I am much more aware of people around me - if someone is behind me for more than a block, I notice. If someone's walking close behind me, I notice. If someone in front of me or across the street makes eye contact with anyone behind me, I notice. At any rate, on this trip to NYC, I didn't get any hinky vibes the whole time. I walked from Tribeca (where my daughter's acting class was) up to 90th & West End about every day - and loved every minute of it. I strolled around the upper West Side (between 72nd and 94th) every evening, and loved that, too.
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hnk45:
I noticed the application instructions did not mention the letters of reference . . .when did they come up in your case, and how was it framed to you (i.e., "we need just a bit more info on you")
I noticed the application instructions did not mention the letters of reference . . .when did they come up in your case, and how was it framed to you (i.e., "we need just a bit more info on you")
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maybe a pocketknife.
Mace & Pepper spray are illegal.
Walking sticks are only "legit" if you are in a tuxedo or handicapped. Same for expandable baton's.
Tazer's are illegal and pieces of junk.
It's not quoted, they just say we need 2 notarized character reference letters that are from people that are not related to you.
No reason given.
I believe that it's an attempt to let them know that other people are aware that you are attempting to get a gun.
Also if you live with a roommate or parent even if you are of age they often ask you for a letter stating that the roommate/parent is aware of you getting a firearm and are OK with it.
Commuting from outside of the city isn't an option, I've already signed a lease for a very nice appartment a few blocks from the college (claremont ave across from morningside park)
I do understand that most of the dangers of the city can be mitigated by not being in the wrong place at the wrong time, however I would still like the ability to defend myself against any sort of home invasion.
I have a wife, and I consider it my duty to see to my family's safety. And I would like to be able to legally have the tools with which to do so.
And no, I'm not an anti out trolling, I just have had poor luck in finding any actuall law or guidelines for obtaning a firearm in NYC.
I have also not been able to find anything about alternative means of defense.
The one guy i saw with a knife here had a butterfly knife... and when I asked about it (he was using it to open a box in the store he was working in) he just stated that he didn't know any laws about it but you could get it in chinatown... That didn't sound to me like a very intelligent thing to do in a city where (i've heard) officers routinly stop individuals so that they can
perform 'terry frisks' on them.
I'll go down to the range that was mentioned this weekend and speak to the people there about what it will take to get a basic shotgun and see if anyone can walk me through filling out the nececary paperwork.
I do understand that most of the dangers of the city can be mitigated by not being in the wrong place at the wrong time, however I would still like the ability to defend myself against any sort of home invasion.
I have a wife, and I consider it my duty to see to my family's safety. And I would like to be able to legally have the tools with which to do so.
And no, I'm not an anti out trolling, I just have had poor luck in finding any actuall law or guidelines for obtaning a firearm in NYC.
I have also not been able to find anything about alternative means of defense.
The one guy i saw with a knife here had a butterfly knife... and when I asked about it (he was using it to open a box in the store he was working in) he just stated that he didn't know any laws about it but you could get it in chinatown... That didn't sound to me like a very intelligent thing to do in a city where (i've heard) officers routinly stop individuals so that they can
perform 'terry frisks' on them.
I'll go down to the range that was mentioned this weekend and speak to the people there about what it will take to get a basic shotgun and see if anyone can walk me through filling out the nececary paperwork.
I'm a member of the range let me know if you need help with anything
Getting a Rifle/Shotgun permit is much easier than getting a handgun permit.
You will probably still need to establish residency but there's no interview and a lot less paperwork. The Rifle/Shotgun division is in Queens NOT 1 police Plaza so you'll have to go there for your application, Although you may be able to find the application online now.
Getting a Rifle/Shotgun permit is much easier than getting a handgun permit.
You will probably still need to establish residency but there's no interview and a lot less paperwork. The Rifle/Shotgun division is in Queens NOT 1 police Plaza so you'll have to go there for your application, Although you may be able to find the application online now.
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