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I wanna Sigma!!!!

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by denfoote, Aug 15, 2004.

  1. denfoote

    denfoote Well-Known Member

    Yeah, I know all about the rep!!
    That's why I'm asking.
    I had a chance to handle one of these beasts yesterday and I found the ergonomics to be ...well...very pleasing!! :eek:
    What I want to know, has the new improved Smith and Wesson improved the quality of these pistols or are they just the same crappy Sigmas of old!!

    Anybody have a new one??
    How does it shoot and, most importantly, how's the reliability????

    In this case, a non response will speak very loudly!!! :rolleyes:
  2. sgt127

    sgt127 Well-Known Member


    ...(sound of crickets)............
  3. 1911Ron

    1911Ron Well-Known Member

    Nah just get a Millianium pro insted:neener:
  4. Ala Dan

    Ala Dan Member in memoriam

    Greeting's denfoote

    My dealer just started a gun sale* that includes NIB Smith
    & Wesson models known as the Sigma Military. Its the
    polymer frame/stainless slide version available in 9m/m
    or .40 S&W for the sale price of $279.99 + sales tax. If
    interested please contact me for further details.

    * FootNote: Sale positively ends at 1800 hrs on 31 AUG 04.

    Best Wishes,
    Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member
  5. denfoote

    denfoote Well-Known Member

    Thanks Dan.
    I want to know if the quality has improved before I take any plunge!!!
  6. only1asterisk

    only1asterisk member

    I think owning a sigma may be the best cure for wanting one! The cure for owning a sigma is not as easy.

  7. denfoote

    denfoote Well-Known Member

    Yeah ok.
    I expected to get some "IMHO's", but there has to be somebody out there who's got one of these!!
  8. Flashpoint

    Flashpoint Well-Known Member

    A friend of mine had one, after putting a new recoil spring in it he never had a problem. Sold it t a retired officer because it was too big to carry. I didn't like the trigger, but he didn't mind it.

    Play with the Steyrs a little. The ergonomics on them are much the same, the trigger is better, and well, there just made better if you ask me.
  9. denfoote

    denfoote Well-Known Member

    The problem I have with the Steyrs is the sights!!
  10. Combat-wombat

    Combat-wombat Well-Known Member

    Really!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Can't the sights be changed out!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!!!!!!!!!!

  11. outofbattery

    outofbattery Well-Known Member

    Everyone I know with a VE Sigma is happy with it ; they seem to be much improved over the earlier guns though I have no experience with the first models personally . Our club uses the ported .40 for Basic Practical and it's never had a problem that I recall ; I've run several hundred rounds of Wolf and Blazer cheapie through it without a single stoppage .The thought of buying one has crossed my mind though I've rationalized that I don't _need_ yet another full size auto and I can shoot one any time I want anyway .
  12. cslinger

    cslinger Well-Known Member

    Have a neighbor with a Sigma 9mm. Trigger is horrible, I mean almost VP70 horrible and it seems to be very easy to cause a malfunction by limp wristing since he malfs. with it quite a bit and I do not. I suspect this means it is shooter induced.

    All that being said it is a pretty accurate little devil if you really pay attention to trigger control and as mentioned the ergo's are great.

    For $279 it might be worth trying if you really have the bug but personally.............here it comes.............are you ready..........IMHO :D there are better guns for the money.


    JAREDSHS Well-Known Member


    like I tried to tell you on another forum---go to a shop,pick one up,fondle it,unmount the slide from the frame, see how well constructed the gun is. I think you will soon see that alot of the bad rap going around is just that--RAP.
    My 40VE is reliable,it is my duty weapon.

    Dave Ginn
  14. tc300mag1

    tc300mag1 Well-Known Member

    My father's brother's uncle's former roommate had one and they suck so i hear...lol :)

    Actually my uncle and cousin have a 9 and 40 and neither have had any problems that were truely the gun and not ammo or the mags the 40 hasnt been shot much but the 9 has a ton..

    My opinon from shooting the 9 and 40 is skip the 40 .. the 40 in it is hard to control. The 9 is decent took about 600 rounds to get it wore in was pretty tight. After i think clost to 5k rounds the trigger sucks and i mean sucks.

    Its feels like it stacks and has a 100# trigger pull. That is my major complaint with the gun that plus the 100$ std cap mags nice it hold 17 in the mag if you can find a std mag.

    Other complaint the 10 rounders in the 40 &9 didnt fuction right they got tossed and we shoot them with the std cap mags only and that cured all the problems the gun had at the start..
  15. Kilroy

    Kilroy Well-Known Member

    In an academy setting, where they were fired a lot in all kinds of weather, they were truly poor performers.

    If they are cheap enough, get two. We had most agencies send two along per each officer, so they could make it through a week of training.

    And per the lawsuit settlement, some changes appear to allow the gun to uncock if dropped. Have not seen any fire yet, but they do uncock the mechanism if dropped.
  16. rodjos2

    rodjos2 New Member

    I recently bought a Sigma VE 9mm and have put 200 rounds of Winchester White Box Ammo through it without a problem. I can't comment too much about it because it is my first handgun and I really don't know the diference between a "good" gun and a "bad" one. The trigger is kind of tough to pull, but I have gotten used to it and find it to not really be a problem. For a new shooter, I think I am pretty accurate with it. I practice at 15 yards and all of the rounds were on the target except for one which was on the paper, but about 2 inches outside of the ring. I paid 279 + tax and it seems to be a good buy so far.
  17. denfoote

    denfoote Well-Known Member

    Thanks for the replies!!
    What I am trying to do is build a somewhat unscientific statistical base for the reliability.

    I can put up with the heavy trigger. I just don't want to get one that has to make a beeline back to the womb!!!!

    This also is an investigation that is in it's very early stages. Heck, it took me several years to decide what 1911 to buy!! :rolleyes:
  18. Grump

    Grump Well-Known Member

    I've personally fired one on one occasion last year. It was a 9mm enhanced or whatever.

    Almost every other firearm (Bushie AR, K-T carbine, Glock and FN, IIRC) had at least one malf. The Sigma did not. Its trigger pull was almost like a VP-70, way stiff and a bit gritty. But it worked every time. I was ridiculed for reporting it.:neener:

    Sample of one, and only about 120 rounds fired that day, so there are some caveats here.
  19. Flashpoint

    Flashpoint Well-Known Member

    Buy the Steyr

    Replace the sites with some nightsites of some sort.

    Sell the traps over at the Steyr Club inside Glocktalk. There have been some guys over there that has come up with some pretty good ideas as to how to make some trap nightsites, but they don't have a extra set to play with.
  20. Jason Demond

    Jason Demond Well-Known Member

    Denfoote I replied to your PM.

    My Sigmas have never jammed with any type of factory new ammunition.
    The only problem I have ever had, was that the 40VE wouldn't feed 165gr BullX LSWC bullets worth a damn, but it will feed National Bullet CO SWC's all day long.

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