JTQ
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You probably shoot too slowI had 2 at one point, both would not go more then 400-500 rounds in a range session without need to be field stripped and relubed. Vs my P220 can go 1000. never made it over 1000 with the 45's.
You probably shoot too slowI had 2 at one point, both would not go more then 400-500 rounds in a range session without need to be field stripped and relubed. Vs my P220 can go 1000. never made it over 1000 with the 45's.
45 ACP is only dead so long as there is quality hollow-point 9mm available. Without that stipulation, FMJ 9mm is probably less effective than even good 38sp ammo. Even the "lowly" 9x18 Makarov has a bullet shape which is superior to most 9x19 ammuntion, delivering more damage pound-for--pound. So happens that 9x18 is dimensionally a small copy of 45 ACP, both having the same length-to-width proportion ratio. If 9mm HP was not available, I would probably carry 45ACP FMJ as my primary and 9x18 FMJ or 38sp/357 as a backup, and my 9mm's would be in the safe.
If the civilized world suddenly took a dump and you couldnt get hi-tech proprietary parts for your car any more, what would you want? A fuel injected car or one with a carburetor that you could rebuild yourself in a machine shop? I'd want the one that doesnt depend on micro technology, electronics and mass production to simply work well.
Suffice to say then, that as long as good hollow point 9mm is available, 45 ACP will not be dead so much as sleeping. The real problem is, with fewer people buying it the industry wont be creating such a surplus so the question is more about availability and price than practicality. A round that doesnt depend so much on micro-engineering to work well, and does just fine in its simplest form seems pretty practical to me.
I don't think that's really the case. A lot of people over the past century or so have died from being shot by 9mm ball out of all sorts of guns. With any of them, you need to hit what needs hit to have them work.45 ACP is only dead so long as there is quality hollow-point 9mm available. Without that stipulation, FMJ 9mm is probably less effective than even good 38sp ammo.
I agree, but every time I see a shooting like the Jacob Blake or Laquan McDonald shootings, where multiple shots are required to get the individual to stop (with the accompanying "why did he have to shoot him XX times?" all over the media), I wonder if there will ever be a move back to a heavier round..45 ACP is fading as a duty pistol.
I presume you probably know how to do it, but I suspect there are a lot of folks that don't know how to re-lube without field stripping. For those folks, here is Dave Anderson at about the 2:05 mark... without need to be field stripped and relubed.
This question has been coming up every few years since 1873.After learning the basics on 22LR dad introduced me to the 1911 45acp which has been a lifelong companion.
Even as far back as 20-30 years ago I’ve owned a Beretta 92, SiG 226 and a couple other 9mm, 380 & various other smaller calibers but when we regained the right to carry concealed, along with most NFA rights in 2007, I like many people started looking seriously at smaller pistols for carry. Now I own nearly as many 9’s as I do 45’s and haven’t purchased a 45 for several years.
It occurred to me a few weeks ago, and I’ve been watching for threads on 45’s on all boards & social media I’m a member on, and it’s becoming a rare thing to see anything on 45’s ... even with 40S&W falling from favor with LEO departments they seem to be leaning to the 9mm as well.
So, what say you?
Is the short, fat & slow 45acp fading into obscurity?
I've seen shootings where the suspect was pumped full of .45 ACP and what ended it was a CNS hit.I agree, but every time I see a shooting like the Jacob Blake or Laquan McDonald shootings, where multiple shots are required to get the individual to stop (with the accompanying "why did he have to shoot him XX times?" all over the media), I wonder if there will ever be a move back to a heavier round.
Edit to add: Then I suppose the comments will be, "they used a powerful round that even the military doesn't use any more."
Thanks for making my point.I've seen shootings where the suspect was pumped full of .45 ACP and what ended it was a CNS hit.
However, if the officer in the Laquan McDonald shooting had a SIG P220, NPR would probably have had to change the title of this story.I've seen shootings where the suspect was pumped full of .45 ACP and what ended it was a CNS hit.
Is the short, fat & slow 45acp fading into obscurity?
Not quite GeoDudeFlorida. A question about the .45 Colt "fading into obscurity" may have "been coming up every few years since 1873," but the .45ACP hasn't been around that long. The .45ACP wasn't even invented until early in the 20th century.This question has been coming up every few years since 1873.
You might want to rid how .45 ACP sucked.However, if the officer in the Laquan McDonald shooting had a SIG P220, NPR would probably have had to change the title of this story.
https://www.npr.org/podcasts/643309816/16-shots-the-police-shooting-of-laquan-mc-donald
I read that story many years ago.You might want to rid how .45 ACP sucked.
https://www.police1.com/officer-sho...5-rounds-of-ammo-on-the-job-clGBbLYpnqqHxwMq/
Agreed. I kind of meant the big, fat, slow, heavy bullet versus the small, pointy, fast, light bullet. And the resulting co-argument about the big, heavy weapon that doesn't hide well versus the small, light weapon in a more nearly concealable size. If we're honest, that debate - big, heavy, hard-hitting weapon versus small, light, easily-carried weapon - probably started shortly after Cain killed Abel. We humans have a tendency to want to argue that what's best for us must be best for everyone else, too. Why else would we choose the things we choose if they weren't practically perfect in every way?Not quite GeoDudeFlorida. A question about the .45 Colt "fading into obscurity" may have "been coming up every few years since 1873," but the .45ACP hasn't been around that long. The .45ACP wasn't even invented until early in the 20th century.
I need a Glock 21SF ... just came to my mind
Someone send me one