Is a CZ safe when its in other than condition 1?

[10 Ringer']

In some ways I like sticking with the value of a CZ like my 75B but in a more totable size like a 75 PCR compact or the new P-01. I'm wondering if the various safeties on the non-decocker/manual safety 75 design (which CZ won't exactly explain on the website) mean that its safe to carry with the a round in the chamber, safety off and hammer down? I'd assume the decocker versions a tad safer with the hammer down on a full chamber just like the 1911 is actually safer with hammer back and safety on.

Only reason I ask is that on something like a S&W: switch foward=go bang, switch full down=decock and fully safe. I just want a little explination on the way way CZs safeties work and if the decocker versions of their 75 compact and p-01 are a safer thing to carry. Thanks.

 

[Matthew_Q]

I'm pretty sure it's VERY safe to carry a 75B with a round chambered and the hammer down. The 75B has a firing pin safety that blocks the pin if the trigger is not travelling rearward.

So, even if you dropped the gun on the hammer, it WILL NOT go off. The only way to make it go BANG is to squeeze the trigger all the way back.


Don't get much safer than that, except when it's empty!

 

[Walt Sherrill]

All of the newer 75B series guns are equally safe in ANY condition of carry, as they have a firing pin block that will not allow the gun to fire UNLESS the trigger is pulled all the way to the rear.

The decocker version is NOT more safe than the other versions. The only advantage of the decocker version is that you can easily decock with one hand rather than two. This is offset by the fact that you can't carry a decocker version of the CZ "cocked and locked."

I have several, and carry mine on half-cock. (Which, in case anyone is critical of this practice, is the mode that the decocker version decocks to...) THis gives a slightly lighter trigger pull.

 

[boing]

And on the decocker version, the hammer rests on one hammer hook, the other hook having been removed to make room for the decocking mechanism.

A standard 75B hammer at half cock rests on both hammer hooks (and makes for a shorter, smoother DA pull.)

 

[jem375]

Yes just like the 1911's..............

 

[Zak Smith]

Yes just like the 1911's..............

The original 1911's did not have a firing pin block. Only recently have 1911's started to have them (e.g. Colt Series 80, Kimber Series II). CZ 75B models all have the firing pin block and are as safe as the with-firing-pin block "1911"'s, which are safer than the original 1911's.

-z

 

[jem375]

Zak........they have taken hammers to 1911's older and newer and still can't get them to go off.........I carry my 1911's with bullet in chamber and hammer down all the time, that is the only way I carry them.....Stephen A. Camp put his in a vise and hit it very hard with a hammer just to check out this fact.....and I don't think it was a new model either........I doubt if one has ever gone off by dropping it on the hammer either........

 

[Zak Smith]

jem375,

I agree in that I agree an original 1911 is "safe enough."

You can think of very rare cases in which a firing pin block design is safer - like if the sear has catastrophic failure.

-z

 

[Sean Smith]

I carry my 1911's with bullet in chamber and hammer down all the time, that is the only way I carry them.

Just out of curiosity... why?

 

[PCRCCW]

If I have a gun that can do it...which all of mine do expect my PCR, go figure, they are Cocked and Locked always. But to each there own.
My PCR is always on its decock notch but the trigger is nice enough its not a choir to hit what Im aiming at.....
Shoot well