" I have never had to adjust a load in more than 30 years to curb leading but to MB customers that seems to be the norm which it shouldn't be but that's your problem and I quit making it mine."
The fact that these bullets are indeed not IDENTICAL to this purported magic bullet you've been using for the last 30 years does not surprise me.
Any data showing us what bullet you are referring to, or any data on the bullets you fired however are conspicuously absent.
"Look it's clear throughout this forum that people will say what ever they can or think they have to to defend MB; there are a lot of very loyal customers here and that's your choice. But the other thread complaining about leading and my 2 month attempt to solve the problem making the same observations and having the same experiences as the other thread make a clear case for bullet/alloy inconsistency"
The expression anecdotal evidence has two distinct meanings.
(1) Evidence in the form of an anecdote or hearsay is called anecdotal if there is doubt about its veracity; the evidence itself is considered untrustworthy.
(2) Evidence, which may itself be true and verifiable, used to deduce a conclusion which does not follow from it, usually by generalizing from an insufficient amount of evidence. For example "my grandfather smoked like a chimney and died healthy in a car crash at the age of 99" does not disprove the proposition that "smoking markedly increases the probability of cancer and heart disease at a relatively early age". In this case, the evidence may itself be true, but does not warrant the conclusion.
In both cases the conclusion is unreliable; it may not be untrue, but it doesn't follow from the "evidence".
"stamping 18 BHN on the box doesnt make 18 BHN bullets"
According to the Oxford English Dictionary (2nd Edition, 1989), empiric is derived from the ancient Greek for experience, έμπειρία, which is ultimately derived from έυ in + πεἳρα trial, experiment. Therefore, empirical data is information that is derived from the trials and errors of experience. In this way, the empirical method is similar to the experimental method.
In this case, my LEE BH tester concurs that MBC bullets are indeed BH18.
The tool I use is listed here :
http://leeprecision.com/xcart/Lead-Hardness-Tester/
Do you own a Brinell tester ? What do your readings show ?
As a surefire guard against witchery , I would happily offer up samples from my trove to assure anyone that they are indeed BHN 18.
"I'll say if for the third time now, stop fighting against my real life experience if you want to help MB from losing more face; You're just making it worse by creating more bizarre excuses and false information, twisting my statements to try and cover up this issue. You've completely lost credibility with me, most of this is a bunch of hooey."
Actually, I haven't seen anything other
than hooey from your side of the fence. And no, just for clarification : your alleged 30 years of reloading experience in this instance does not to me generate any truly remarkable feelings of expertise as so demonstrated. If we were to take these numbers ( the only ones you've provided) at face value....you found the magic powder and bullet combination on day one
30 years ago without ever altering that recipe, except to deviate to MBC which performed miserably using your old recipe.
My direct experience, being shown above, is both repeatable and true as demonstrated. I would also like to note almost as an afterthought, that during my initial review
i found it wanting in character to disparage another vendor by name and in the best and most fairest difference to our current economy felt correct in doing so.
You
are however - in reference to the BHN issue - approaching something that you have both written, and is demonstrably untrue :
Definition of LIBEL
1
a : a written statement in which a plaintiff in certain courts sets forth the cause of action or the relief sought
b archaic : a handbill especially attacking or defaming someone
2
a : a written or oral defamatory statement or representation that conveys an unjustly unfavorable impression
b (1) : a statement or representation published without just cause and tending to expose another to public contempt (2) : defamation of a person by written or representational means (3) : the publication of blasphemous, treasonable, seditious, or obscene writings or pictures (4) : the act, tort, or crime of publishing such a libel
So I'd say watch your step. Not my company, my reputation, or my pocketbook you are dangerously slandering about there.
"I have said the same thing over and over to the point that I'm probably just going to unsubscribe because you're making fools of yourselves with your excuses and bizarre statements."
Yes, you have said and left unsaid the same thing over and over : Your "experience" allows you to completely abandon the collection and use of any necessary relevant data that would allow you to back up your
potentially libelous claims.
Well......if thats how ya feel- knowing that we as members require some sort of proof before you blast one of the vendors that frequents this board....
I think gramma said it best :
Don't let the door hit ya, where the good lord split ya !
I will post my shooting results here from the range this weekend, once I have those results in hand.
I would also like to note that this thread ORIGINALLY had to do with the quality of the manufactured bullets I received, not as to the actual results of their use.....which was going to be a separate thread, but given that this one's been hijacked a-plenty into that direction I don't see a need for a second thread at this point.