New Battle in D.C. after Heller

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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,377203,00.html

D.C. Officials Consider Ban on Semiautomatic Pistols After Blanket Handgun Ban is Struck Down

Monday, July 07, 2008

WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court's repeal of the ban on handguns in Washington, D.C., may be a boon for a segment of the firearms industry whose last major windfall was in the heyday of the Dirty Harry movies: those who make and sell revolvers.

The court ruled that a blanket ban on handguns is unconstitutional, but D.C. Mayor Adrian Fenty and other Washington officials want to keep in place a prohibition on semiautomatic handguns — those in which a bullet clip is inserted into the gun's grip.

Such a ban would continue to outlaw 9-mm and other popular pistols that are legal in most other places around the United States. And it would make the classic six-shooter the only legal handgun in the District.

For revolver manufacturers, a ban on semiautomatics in Washington could be good for business.

"If there's a total ban on all semiautomatic handguns, oh, absolutely," said Paul Pluff, spokesman for Smith & Wesson, the nation's top revolver manufacturer. Smith & Wesson sold 185,000 revolvers in 2006, 48 percent of all revolvers made that year in the United States, according to Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms statistics released in January.

Pluff recalled the last time revolver sales went through the roof — back in the 1970s.

"Clint Eastwood — for several years — he was salesman of the year," Pluff said of the actor who portrayed vigilante cop Harry Callahan. In the Dirty Harry films, Eastwood's character brandished a Magnum .44-caliber Model 29 Smith & Wesson.

The District of Columbia is currently in the midst of two parallel efforts to comply with the Supreme Court's ruling. The mayor's administration is revising its rules on dealing with registration and ownership of handguns, and separately, the D.C. Council is working on changing the city's laws.

D.C. Councilman Phil Mendelson, who sponsored a bill last week to address the court's decision, told FOXNews.com he's willing to consider the fate of semiautomatic handguns, but he doesn't think it needs to be addressed immediately. His bill would not change the semiautomatic weapons law.

He said the first thing the council will need to do is address the court's ruling that D.C.'s law must include a self-defense provision.

"I think we should look at the definition of semiautomatics in relation to what's prohibited, but I'm seeing a short-term and a long-term approach. .... And in the short term, I don't think we need to address it," Mendelson said.

At the moment, neither effort appears to have the effect of changing the city's ban on semiautomatic guns.

"Under District law that the Supreme Court did not disturb, automatic and semiautomatic handguns generally may not be registered. Revolvers in the home will be legal and, as before, residents remain free to register most shotguns and rifles," reads the city's Web site.

"Automatic and semiautomatic handguns generally remain illegal in the District of Columbia with this ruling," Fenty Press Secretary Dena Iverson told FOXNews.com.

According to ATF, 73 percent — or more than 1 million guns sold in the U.S. in 2006 — were semiautomatic pistols. National Rifle Association spokeswoman Rachel Parsons said if city officials try to keep semiautomatics outlawed, they can expect to hear from her organization.

"The NRA is going to ensure that D.C. actually complies with its own laws and with the Supreme Court's decisions," she said.

According to Parsons, D.C. code already has an allowance for some semiautomatic handguns — pistols with a magazine holding fewer than 12 live rounds were grandfathered under the now-overturned 1976 ban.

"They are falsely claiming that all semiautomatic handguns are banned," Parsons said. She said the NRA will wait until the city sets its new rules to decide how to respond.

The District interprets its prohibition to encompass all semiautomatic handguns. Alan Gura, one of the lawyers who represented D.C. residents seeking gun rights in District of Columbia v. Heller, said one line of D.C. code basically renders semiautomatic handguns as a machine gun, which would still be illegal.

Current city law defines a "machine gun" to mean "any firearm which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily converted or restored to shoot: a) Automatically, more than one shot by a single function of the trigger; b) Semiautomatically, more than 12 shots without manual reloading."

Gura said the Heller decision does not protect "dangerous or unusual weapons" — like fully automatic, military style machine guns — but it does protect weapons "in common use" or those people would use for "lawful purposes." Semiautomatics, which police departments have made their weapon of choice, would fall under that category, Gura said.

"It's unfortunate that, you know, they seem to think that a ban on semiautomatic firearms is constitutional. It's not," Gura said. "Semiautomatics are garden variety. It's a normal, non-exotic, typical technology. It does not let you spray bullets. ... People here 'automatic,' and they think, 'Oh, it's Rambo.' It's not."

Mendelson said he does have a limit to what he thinks is safe.

"I think an individual possessing a handgun that can fire 18 rounds — that is loaded and can fire 18 rounds semiautomatically — is a problem for public safety in the District," Mendelson said. "I don't know what the correct number is, but something less (than 18 shots)."

Peter Nickles, interim attorney general for the city, said it remains to be seen whether the city will include any updates on semiautomatics as part of its rules changes. Currently, the city is trying to balance a number of issues, including meeting the court's ruling and avoiding further legal challenges.

Pluff said the argument for allowing semiautomatic pistols might be overstated, at least when it comes to self-defense. Revolvers are more accurate, more reliable and easier to manage than higher-tech semiautomatic pistols in an emergency, he said.

"From an accuracy standpoint, from a reliability standpoint, revolvers are still very popular," Pluff said.

He said the chief priority in his mind for a self-defense weapon is "to take myself away from danger. ... For most people, most confrontations, it's not going to be a high volume of rounds being shot."

But, Pluff said, when it comes to safety inside the home — a major question in the minds of policymakers — semiautomatics and revolvers are no different.

"Any gun is safe if properly stored and properly handled. ... Whether it's a semiautomatic or a revolver, it's a mechanical device. If you put that gun on a table and nobody touches it and nobody misuses it, that gun will never go off," Pluff said. "Any gun can be safe or unsafe depending on the person's consciousness to safety."
 
I'm surprised they banned the one gun that leaves brass as evidence. There will be a lot fewer cases left at crime scenes now.
 
It amazes me how D.C., is looking for loopholes that aren't there. What part of the Supreme Court desision does Fenty and his anti-american clowns not understand?????
 
Pluff said the argument for allowing semiautomatic pistols might be overstated, at least when it comes to self-defense. Revolvers are more accurate, more reliable and easier to manage than higher-tech semiautomatic pistols in an emergency, he said.

"From an accuracy standpoint, from a reliability standpoint, revolvers are still very popular," Pluff said.

If revolvers are more accurate and dependable, then Fenty should make the police use them and turn their semi-autos in.:neener:

lawson4
 
I'm surprised they banned the one gun that leaves brass as evidence. There will be a lot fewer cases left at crime scenes now.

Do you naievely believe that criminals will register their revolvers and comply with the semi-auto ban?

-T
 
Do you naievely believe that criminals will register their revolvers and comply with the semi-auto ban?

No, of course not, but there will be more Roscoes to steal.
 
"It's unfortunate that, you know, they seem to think that a ban on semiautomatic firearms is constitutional. It's not," Gura said. "Semiautomatics are garden variety. It's a normal, non-exotic, typical technology. It does not let you spray bullets. ... People here 'automatic,' and they think, 'Oh, it's Rambo.' It's not."

THANK YOU!!!

Anyways, if the mayor gets his way...I'm sure a lot of THR DC members will be owning 40+ revolvers.
 
They understand it: they just don't like it, so they're dragging their feet and infringing the right of the people to keep and bear arms.

They're hedging that Fenty's buddy Obama will be elected, and if they can drag their feet until then, Congress can pass a new ban on everything and the problem goes away without all that bothersome studying and decision making that gets in the way of the council's theiving from the taxpayers.
 
The policy of not registering semi autos due to an extreme interpretaion of the 12 round capable law goes back to the beginning of the ban as I understand it. Even the current Special Police Officer registered handguns are wheel guns.
 
I felt compelled to let the author of the news article know that the ruling is not a windfall for revolver manufacturers as the major manufacturers also produce semi autos.
 
This Pluff, of S&W: Is't almost as though he's happy that DC will try to maintain their semi-auto ban.


Are you shocked? Smith & Wesson sold 48% of the revolvers sold in the entire US.

Plus, Smith & Wesson is known far more for their revolvers then semi-auto's.
 
Another law abiding citizen with plenty of time and money needs to stand up Heller-style and challenge it. Time to take a trip back to SCOTUS!
 
Another law abiding citizen with plenty of time and money needs to stand up Heller-style and challenge it. Time to take a trip back to SCOTUS!

Instead of looking for someone else to fight their battles for our Second Amendment rights, responsible gun owners join the NRA and contribute to it. Other kinds of gun owners discharge their responsibilities by voting a few times in their lives for a candidate that can't win, sending some e-mails, and taking their Aunty shooting--if she buys the ammunition.

"The NRA is going to ensure that D.C. actually complies with its own laws and with the Supreme Court's decisions," she said.
 
Dumb Liberal Journalist said:
Mayor Adrian Fenty and other Washington officials want to keep in place a prohibition on semiautomatic handguns — those in which a bullet clip is inserted into the gun's grip.

A bullet clip? That's a new term for it, if I do say so myself :)


Poorly Proofed Journalists said:
It does not let you spray bullets. ... People here 'automatic,' and they think, 'Oh, it's Rambo.' It's not."

From what I hear, the newspapers aren't hiring folks who are very literate these days!
 
From what I hear, the newspapers aren't hiring folks who are very literate these days!

The newspapers aren't even hiring many semi-literate people these days. They are in successful pursuit of their commitment to going out of business.

Landmark Communications--best known in this and other gun forums as the employer of Christian Trejbal who compared gun owners to sex offenders and got the idea of publishing Virginia's CWP holders--has just sold The Weather Channel. It took about two billion dollars less than its asking price, and is trying to sell off its newspapers and other properties.

The McClatchy papers have cut back on staff and have offered its longterm employees buyouts.

Circulation of the New-York Times is spiraling downwards quickly, and many local papers are matching its failure.

What is remarkable in all this is that neither the publishers nor their employees seem to understand that many people want news, not editorials masquerading as news, on the news pages of newspapers.

At least some of those people are repelled by newspapers that attempt to press their editorial view of the perfect society. Who but an employee of the media is dullwitted enough to believe that an employee of the media has judgment superior to the rest of us. J-schools don't cultivate genius.

It's not simply technology that has made newspapers irrelevant. Newspaper publishers and editors did the major damage. And, since they are who they are, they will not stop.

Christian Trejbal, for example, is still employed by the Roanoke Times, still writes a column for it, and still is one of its editors. The newspaper is still the same.
 
Gura said the Heller decision does not protect "dangerous or unusual weapons" — like fully automatic, military style machine guns — but it does protect weapons "in common use" or those people would use for "lawful purposes." Semiautomatics, which police departments have made their weapon of choice, would fall under that category, Gura said.

Well, I'm glad to know that revolvers, semi-auto pistols, and rifles and shotguns are not "dangerous" ;)
 
They are simply trying to justify there wrong headed decision to the proles in the city. I'd like to see what happens when somebody moves into the District of Confusion with a "high capacity" semi-auto that he lawfully purchased in his home state. That could be interesting...
 
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