DRZinn
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http://www.military.com/soldiertech/0,14632,Soldiertech_PArmor,00.html?ESRC=dod.nl
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New Body Armor
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Wow.
horge
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21st century brigandines?
Nice.
Nice.
Ryder
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Now there will by a special law created against blowing people's heads off to compliment this. 
jojo
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Now if I was just rich and famous I could afford to outfit my Bro-in-law's with these. I've got 3 that are LEO's.
jojo
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You know, it isn't just LEOs and soldiers that could benefit from such vests. And, it would not just be those people involved in protecting expensive items like armored car drivers. Regular shooters would benefit as well. Think about it. Where is it most likely that most shooters will end up having guns pointed at them and where is it that most shooters run the risk of being shot? The answer is the same for both, guns ranges and while hunting. These are places where we are exposed to other shooters with loaded guns and where many regular gun folks end up getting shot as a result of negligence. And this is the beauty of body armor. It is a passive system of protection. People like to talk about how their guns protect them, but guns offer very little protection against incoming rounds, intentional or not. As guns are bad shields, the only real way they protect is by threatening or shooting people attempting to hurt you and you have to employ the gun actively. Body armor offers protection against insult whether the shooter is aware of a threat or not.
When it comes to hunting involving rifles, such as deer hunting, having lightweight rifle stopping body armor will a long way to protecting hunters from morons who make shots at unconfirmed targets or who miss their target and the bullet travels somewhere downrange to points unknown, where you may be standing. It would also help protect against crazed morons who have occupied your tree stand.
When it comes to hunting involving rifles, such as deer hunting, having lightweight rifle stopping body armor will a long way to protecting hunters from morons who make shots at unconfirmed targets or who miss their target and the bullet travels somewhere downrange to points unknown, where you may be standing. It would also help protect against crazed morons who have occupied your tree stand.
Smythe77
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Very pleased to be able to read said write. Thank goodness there will be even better protection to those that need it.
Has me thinking of what might rub off to motorcycle riding gear. You see some yrs back a leather jacket & pair of leather trousers plus pair or work boots & work gloves along with a FIM approved helmet that was no more then like a strapped down upside down pudding basin, in appearance. NOW even street or hwy riding gear is with better set-up leathers with body armor in them like at the shoulders, elbows, back, hips, knees & such. Also being used in fabric jackets & trousers.
For comming off a m/c at 100 plus mph & hitting the pavement of the road racing circuit or paved roads is one 'ell of a blow not to mention what it is like when a car cuts you off in turning left, not seeing you or not carrying, & the impract is at 50mph of human body of the m/cist VS car!!!!!!!!
Has me thinking of what might rub off to motorcycle riding gear. You see some yrs back a leather jacket & pair of leather trousers plus pair or work boots & work gloves along with a FIM approved helmet that was no more then like a strapped down upside down pudding basin, in appearance. NOW even street or hwy riding gear is with better set-up leathers with body armor in them like at the shoulders, elbows, back, hips, knees & such. Also being used in fabric jackets & trousers.
For comming off a m/c at 100 plus mph & hitting the pavement of the road racing circuit or paved roads is one 'ell of a blow not to mention what it is like when a car cuts you off in turning left, not seeing you or not carrying, & the impract is at 50mph of human body of the m/cist VS car!!!!!!!!
Nightcrawler
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I was actually issued one of these (or something very similar), sort of, for about three days. They had scaly plates in the front and back (covering the bulk of the chest, abdomen, and back) that were Level III rated. (There was some kind of flap, the new expensive vests were taken away, and we went back to our old crappy ones, but that's neither here nor there.)
The vests are NOT as light as a soft vest. They're actually pretty heavy, but balance well so you get used to it. I didn't find them uncomfortable, once I got one that fit. They certainly didn't strike me as being concealable, but there are a variety of models available.
Note that the portion with the ceramic discs is the only part rated to stop rifle bullets. The "soft" part on the sides is still fragmentation-only.
And yes, they are extremely expensive.
I wonder. Once body armor that can readily stop all current individual weapons becomes commonplace, what's next?
The vests are NOT as light as a soft vest. They're actually pretty heavy, but balance well so you get used to it. I didn't find them uncomfortable, once I got one that fit. They certainly didn't strike me as being concealable, but there are a variety of models available.
Note that the portion with the ceramic discs is the only part rated to stop rifle bullets. The "soft" part on the sides is still fragmentation-only.
And yes, they are extremely expensive.
I wonder. Once body armor that can readily stop all current individual weapons becomes commonplace, what's next?
zogorion
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Can't really remember but.....
I saw this thing on Discovery or TLC a long time ago, about how a spider's web is umpteen times stronger than Kevlar and that if they could figure out a way to artificially produce it, it would dramatically change the world of body armor, and all the other stuff they reinforce with Kevlar. Have any of you guys heard this before? I promise I'm not crazy....well let me rephrase. I'm pretty sure it was a legit program. What are y'alls thoughts.
I saw this thing on Discovery or TLC a long time ago, about how a spider's web is umpteen times stronger than Kevlar and that if they could figure out a way to artificially produce it, it would dramatically change the world of body armor, and all the other stuff they reinforce with Kevlar. Have any of you guys heard this before? I promise I'm not crazy....well let me rephrase. I'm pretty sure it was a legit program. What are y'alls thoughts.
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It's the endless cycle of armor vs. armament.
Unarmored extremeties are still vulnerable to conventional firearms. Class III helmets and faceplates aren't anywhere on the horizon, so the failure drill will still have a place in weapons implementation.
Before gunpowder and the longbow, ancient knights were still vulnerable to daggers through the faceplate and armor joints. Blunt trauma, like a mace, could still ring an armored knight's bell.
Ammo design will catch up with the new armors. Once class III and IV starts to proliferate to our nation's enemies, a paradyne shift will occur with weaponry. New micronized AP/HEDP projectiles (I think explosive small arms bullets are against the Hauge Convention, for now), directed energy weapons, sonic weapons, or something else from the next wave.
Maybe a miniaturized 15 or 20mm HEDP warhead in a Heavy Support Rifle is just what the doctor ordered. Something M-14 sized or slightly larger, for knocking out armored individuals or light armored vehicles. The XM-109 is a step in the right direction, but the Barrett platform is too bulky to haul around, in my opinion, and it only has a 5 round capacity. Minimum 10 rounds per mag in the Heavy Support Rifle.
Just thinking off the top of my head.
Best,
John Bear Ross
Was this what you were thinkin of, zogorion?
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2002-01/nbi-nau011102.php
Google "BioSteel" for far more information. Spider DNA spliced with goats, producing spider silk in goat's milk. Kind of icky, but, wow...
And that DragonSkin is amazing, for the cost of one M1A2 MBT, we could outfit a battalion of (almost) bulletproof soldiers. Sounds like it'd be more useful than the tank in Falluja, ya ask me.
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