Not the sort of thing that makes you feel warm and fuzzy about national security

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Nice to just leave the gun on the ground with a bunch of guys that are obviously detained still standing in the area.

I'm thinking there were more than a few SOP's not followed here.

It appears no detainees were harmed though.
 
THIS is why I wont chamber a round unless the 'threat level' has risen to
the point I may need to fire the weapon.

A round in the chamber, riding around in a holstered pistol
or in a locker, a clove compartment, a gun safe
or anywhere except down range...
IS an accident waiting to happen.

IMO of course. :cool:
 
Booger hook, bang switch.

I don't think the problem was a round in the chamber, it was a finger on the trigger.

Every person that worked there did a great job of retreating from the gun and the detainees, though! :rolleyes:
 
Wow. Finger shouldn't be on the bang switch while holstering and unholstering. Anybody wanna take a stab at what kind of pistol it was?
 
THIS is why I wont chamber a round unless the 'threat level' has risen to the point I may need to fire the weapon.
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I have never found an empty gun very useful. But I agree, if you are unable to keep your finger off the trigger, then you should not carry a gun, anywhere.

Like many shooters my age, I didn't start carrying a "loaded" gun for 'business until 1966. So I figure I am pretty new at this. Better find out how them old timers used to carry their sidearms.

Stupid should hurt.

Go figure.

Fred
 
A round in the chamber, riding around in a holstered pistol
or in a locker, a clove compartment, a gun safe
or anywhere except down range...
IS an accident waiting to happen.
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ok, I'll bite....

So, by this silly logic.. a car with gasoline is an accident waiting to happen.

A Bic pen with ink is an accident waiting to happen.

etc, etc

I guess all the police out there are just an accident waiting to happen. Accidents happen. So what?

I have carried for YEARS with a round chambered as when and if I do need it, I dont want to have to perform a cirque du soleil act to get my pistol ready. I want to be able to pull it out and go bang... then bang bang bang bang etc.

Does that make me an accident waiting to happen any more than driving my giant pickup at 65 miles an hour?
 
That video has nothing to do with NATIONAL security. It has a LOT to do with management of detainees, and management of loaded service weapons.
 
The very end of the video was good - looked like it was time for a frank discussion of firearms management.
 
That's why I like 1911s and completely fail to understand how a "trigger safety" is a safety at all.

It's like having a speed limiter on the gas pedal, how does that change anything?
 
Does that make me an accident waiting to happen any more than driving my giant pickup at 65 miles an hour?
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NO... it makes you an accident waiting to happen because you have a round in the
chamber of a semi auto mag fed handgun.

Also note 'threat level'.

1 Adam 12.... 1 Adam 12
2-11 in progress, see the man with a gun, approach with caution handle code 2.

Ahem... before arriving on the scene would be when I would chamber a round.
AFTER the 'threat' was neutralized. The round goes back to the mag by cycling
it out of the chamber. (I'm sure you can figure out how to do it)...
Then it's off for more coffee and donuts. lol

Be advised, I'm NOT a police officer and if I was and it was department policy to carry
chambered weapons at all times, Well I guess I'd suck it up.

Thanks for your service and BTW the donut thing was a joke OK?
I know you guys are overworked, underpaid and stressed to the max.
Just don't show up to MY HOUSE (for a cook out) with a round in your chamber.
I'll politely show you the door. :cool:
 
I think for the most part you either have good safety engrained in your head, or you don't.

A friend remarked to me a week ago that with his child's toy guns, he holds them with his finger off the trigger without even thinking about it. I do the same thing.

My wife was nervious about having a loaded gun and the possibility of an accidental shooting. So I unloaded it, then handed it to her in the condition she would be carrying in (hammer down, safety off) and asked her to "accidentally" fire it.

She couldn't even come close and the exercise gave her confidence.

I won't have a Glock (or gun like it) in the house for this vary reason. Good gun safety skills plus a regular hammer fired weapon makes an AD a non-issue in my mind.
 
You can either not keep your finger off the trigger and not pull it, or not. If you can not, you should not have a gun, with or without ammo.

I will never, ever, ever carry without a round in the chamber. Believing you are "safer" because you don't think there is a round in the chamber is the accident waiting to happen. Hell, 95% of every AD'er out there "thought it wasn't loaded". Keeping processes simple is what keeps accidents from happeneing.

1) There is *always* a round in the chamber, period.
2) If I pull the trigger, the gun will fire. Simple.
3) Finger on the trigger only when the sights are on target, no exceptions. Very easy.

No wondering if a round is in the chamber, no spending time racking slides after a draw, no ejecting mags/racking slides/fumbling with ammo prior to a reholster... no complications. No complications makes for reliable, diciplined performance.
 
I won't have a Glock (or gun like it) in the house for this vary reason. Good gun safety skills plus a regular hammer fired weapon makes an AD a non-issue in my mind.
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What reason is that? If you fired a Glock, your finger pulled the trigger, and not just a little bit. This is the same motion that fires any double action pistol.
 
Looks like he shot himself too.

And your tax dollars are going to pay for his sick leave
 
Trusting a mechanical safety to keep you free from harm is just as dangerous as carrying one of those spooky glocks that always seem to go off by themselves.

Funny it seems like they always do that when someone has their finger on the trigger.

There is nothing inherently unsafe about EITHER platform if you follow the rules and always treat the gun as it if is loaded.


I ALWAYS carry with a round chambered because a mugger with a knife isn't going to stand there and wait for me to rack the slide. I might be using my left hand to try to fend him off.
 
If you are so poorly trained that you just cant help yourself and HAVE to put your finger on the trigger when ever you touch your gun, then maybe you should not keep a round in the chamber. Or in this case have a gun at all.

It is all a matter of training, plain and simple. Carelessness and complacency are no excuse for a neglegent discharge.
 
Well obviously some feel the need to be chambered at ALL times.
Stay away from me please as I've seen what can happen.

Apparently some people's situation awareness skills are obviously so poor the
nanosecond it takes to chamber a round is a time THEY are 'worried' they could be dead by an aggressor.
I can understand that way of thinking and trust me, if I was in a situation and my
'threat level' was raised.... I'd chamber a round too.

I'm just not comfortable walking around with a live round
in a chamber of ANY gun, until ready to possibly FIRE said gun.
There is no NEED for it, other than 'machismo'. IMHO

In this particular situation the vid shows a guy for what ever reason,
'thought' it was A OK to STORE a weapon with a round in the chamber.

Also note how after the AD, he walks away (in shock I'm sure)
leaving the LOADED gun just a few feet away from
detainees on the floor... who as far as I can tell, are NOT even hand cuffed.

Good thing one of those illegals (or whoever those in custody were)
were NOT some really bad guy.
We could be possibly seeing SEVERAL LE officers shot in this vid.

dumb dumb dumb
 
If you don't feel comfortable carrying the gun as it was designed to be carried, you should not be carrying it, period, until your confidence level is raised through more training/practice.
 
i do not recall what site i read it..so its with a bit of salt, but it said his AAR stated the 'vest may have been entangled with the trigger during holstering'.

i had read a few threads about elastic keepers from jackets and such entering the trigger guard and when the gun is holsters causing an AD/NG.
 
Heh. The guy in the pale waistcoat looked like he was about to receive a stern talking to by the boss. That chap with the bullet in his leg / foot is probably going to reiterate whatever the boss said when he's feeling better.
 
If you don't feel comfortable carrying the gun as it was designed to be carried, you should not be carrying it,
period, until your confidence level is raised through more training/practice.
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If your addressing me, sorry, but IMO you are WRONG.
But I'm not here to debate my gun safety training.
Just making observations and comments on what a
'highly trained' individual did with his chambered sidearm.

Perhaps the fellow in the vid is in need of more training?
That's all I'm saying.
As another said above:
I'm thinking there were more than a few SOP's not followed here.

Carry on ;)
 
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