Right! Because that worked out so well in New Orleans after Katrina when the cops left!
New Orleans "WITHOUT COPS" was "JUST FINE."
It's not often, but every now and then I get the feeling not everyone here is firing on all cylinders.
Off duty Police told they can't carry at University
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Right! Because that worked out so well in New Orleans after Katrina when the cops left!
New Orleans "WITHOUT COPS" was "JUST FINE."
It's not often, but every now and then I get the feeling not everyone here is firing on all cylinders.
scrat
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I dont think this is unfar at all. I do believe everyone here wants to promote the right to bear arms. However its one sided now. Thats what your missing. Then the people on the one side dont always know the law they are supposed to be enforcing. CASE POINT ONE.
This country was founded by the people for the people. A government of the people. Where and how is it constiutional if the only people allowed to carry arms are police officers. I have the right to bear arms that is my constitutional right.
HOWWEVER
thats not the case today. If i decide to open carry in the state of california. i am opening my self up to a can of worms. Where many people have done so in the past 6 months, have been arrested and are fighting those cases today. So why would it be ok for me to say a police officer off duty to carry. Where can i join up to be an off duty police officer. Is that what it takes for Legal citizens to be able to bear arms.
Case point two
I cant carry a concelled weapon. if i do i can get arrested unless i have written permission via a permit from the sherrif of los angeles county. however there is another law suit pending federal courts where numerous cities have been charged. AS they fail to give out any and all ccw's and have even put it on the applications that you can fill this out but we wont give it to you. So what does that do for the law abiding citizen.
i will say it again. When off duty all police officers should be subject to all applicable laws that comon people are subject to. In the event of an emergency they need to call 911. Just like i have to. If the police department wants to change this then first i will say they need to learn the laws on what is legal as far as open carrying. Then they need to allow all law abiding citizens the same and equal rights as given to me by my forefathers. I have the right to bear arms.
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lol
Personally, if I ever catch a local cop doing it, I plan to take a picture, and do everything I can to get him indicted for carrying. The cops stood out strongly opposing our restaurant bills, so I say make them suffer under the laws too.
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should be easy to do let us know how it works out, lest some mistake your revolutionary fervor for just one more internet hero blowing smoke
Personally, if I ever catch a local cop doing it, I plan to take a picture, and do everything I can to get him indicted for carrying. The cops stood out strongly opposing our restaurant bills, so I say make them suffer under the laws too.
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should be easy to do let us know how it works out, lest some mistake your revolutionary fervor for just one more internet hero blowing smoke
So roving band of unchecked monsters, strolling around, attacking indiscriminately, preying on the weak, robbing the helpless blind, killing, raping, burning, all these things are O.K. as long as you get to keep your Ruger Single Six?
How about this suggestion?
The confiscations were wrong, but let's not destroy society as we know as our "solution,"
Old Dog
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Aw, c'mon Maelstrom; you should know by now that reason doesn't work around here ... what's that ol' saw about throwing the baby out with the bathwater?
Uh ... hunh?
Oh, I get it now ... you're in California, so if you can't carry a "concelled" weapon, no one should (not even in Tennessee ... oh wait, citizens can carry in Tennessee ...).
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ok let me see if i can explain my self to you. me saying that its one sided means exactly that if its ok for law enforcment to carry guns concelled or not on duty or off then its one sided.
Then these people the law enforcment. They do not all know the laws. There job is to enforce the laws and when in doubt they call and call and call then some one says arrest. Which is there job to arrest. Right or wrong there job is to arrest. So then what because they do not know all the laws people who look up the laws and try to exercise there rights get arrested. ITs not just a california thing. its happening nation wide. I like to see you open carry today in TEXAS. Now maybe next year you maybe able to. but this is an education thing we all need to do. Right now in CA we are waiting for several law suits to go through before others exercise there rights to bear arms. These are very important cases not just for ca but for everyone in the U.S. if one state gets by the other will sure to follow. So if you can get away with open carrying or if its very easy to get a ccw in your state. My suggestion would be to exercise those rights before you lose them.
Now as for the law enforcment. as a gun owner and citizen i do not think its right that you can bear arms when ever you want. What i ask for you to do is know your gun laws especially when dealing with open carry.
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ok let me see if i can explain my self to you. me saying that its one sided means exactly that if its ok for law enforcment to carry guns concelled or not on duty or off then its one sided.
Then these people the law enforcment. They do not all know the laws. There job is to enforce the laws and when in doubt they call and call and call then some one says arrest. Which is there job to arrest. Right or wrong there job is to arrest. So then what because they do not know all the laws people who look up the laws and try to exercise there rights get arrested. ITs not just a california thing. its happening nation wide. I like to see you open carry today in TEXAS. Now maybe next year you maybe able to. but this is an education thing we all need to do. Right now in CA we are waiting for several law suits to go through before others exercise there rights to bear arms. These are very important cases not just for ca but for everyone in the U.S. if one state gets by the other will sure to follow. So if you can get away with open carrying or if its very easy to get a ccw in your state. My suggestion would be to exercise those rights before you lose them.
Now as for the law enforcment. as a gun owner and citizen i do not think its right that you can bear arms when ever you want. What i ask for you to do is know your gun laws especially when dealing with open carry.
In NY, you are on duty (by official oath) 24/7, and can carry anywhere. Retired NYPD have the same privlage if they qualify once a year. The HR 218 law, signed by President Bush since 911, allows us, active or retired, to carry anywhere in the US. With permission, we can also carry on a plane.
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Wow... It's great to see "cops" getting so much support here
... I am a LEO, and very fortunately I am a LEO in a state that still allows people to exercise most of their rights most of the time which is unfortunately better than a lot of people get nowadays).
I wish everyone could carry at home, work, school and where every else you wanted (except bars and the like of course). Lord knows with the prospects of terrorism etc. the more good guys with guns the better.
However, we all know that the government kinda sucks at a lot of things, but the government can reasonably feel that the "cops" that are arms of the government SHOULD be able to be trusted and SHOULD be trained (at least to a minimum standard) in the use of firearms. The "government" may look at the common citizenry as dumb and incapable like a lot people here seem to think of all cops as Nazi Henchmen.
I carry a gun everywhere I go, "No Guns" signs or not... For one, my oath says that I am a police officer 24/7, and secondly the safety of my family and myself come before all else. Most places that have "No Guns" signs can do nothing more than ask you to leave IF they somehow find you've got a gun.
I know, I know, you could be charged for carrying in a (public) school, and that sucks... One more case of the majority suffering for the minority. But I think those who thinks Cops shouldn't be able to carry just because they can't would feel pretty stupid if an "off duty" LEO had a chance to save one of their loved ones. All cops aren't the devil, sure we've got some A-holes, but we've got some great people too.
Rant over, ready for flames...
... I am a LEO, and very fortunately I am a LEO in a state that still allows people to exercise most of their rights most of the time which is unfortunately better than a lot of people get nowadays). I wish everyone could carry at home, work, school and where every else you wanted (except bars and the like of course). Lord knows with the prospects of terrorism etc. the more good guys with guns the better.
However, we all know that the government kinda sucks at a lot of things, but the government can reasonably feel that the "cops" that are arms of the government SHOULD be able to be trusted and SHOULD be trained (at least to a minimum standard) in the use of firearms. The "government" may look at the common citizenry as dumb and incapable like a lot people here seem to think of all cops as Nazi Henchmen.
I carry a gun everywhere I go, "No Guns" signs or not... For one, my oath says that I am a police officer 24/7, and secondly the safety of my family and myself come before all else. Most places that have "No Guns" signs can do nothing more than ask you to leave IF they somehow find you've got a gun.
I know, I know, you could be charged for carrying in a (public) school, and that sucks... One more case of the majority suffering for the minority. But I think those who thinks Cops shouldn't be able to carry just because they can't would feel pretty stupid if an "off duty" LEO had a chance to save one of their loved ones. All cops aren't the devil, sure we've got some A-holes, but we've got some great people too.
Rant over, ready for flames...
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Shooter John, what about people like Ted Nugent, that are LEO in title only, should they be allowed the same rights as a full fledged LEO?
Same goes with other LEOs, that have never steped foot on the street.
I personally beleave that if a well trained( being the key words here, my local LEOs are not well trained, when it comes to anything.) Person can not own/carry, then a LEO should not be able to own/ carry. I'm not talking about machine guns or offical LEO gear.
Same goes with other LEOs, that have never steped foot on the street.
I personally beleave that if a well trained( being the key words here, my local LEOs are not well trained, when it comes to anything.) Person can not own/carry, then a LEO should not be able to own/ carry. I'm not talking about machine guns or offical LEO gear.
tpaw, you obviously have not read the thread.
john, nice to see another person claiming to be an officer who says they do not support us dirty civilians carrying places they do. Must be nice walking into places we sometimes cannot legally (some states give no firearms signs force of law).
I admit, I at times wonder whether a lot of people claiming to be cops are in fact anti-gunners trying to cause a rift between normal people, and actual police. Of course, whenever I think that may be, I just remember that often times, they really are cops, and really are against our rights.
john, nice to see another person claiming to be an officer who says they do not support us dirty civilians carrying places they do. Must be nice walking into places we sometimes cannot legally (some states give no firearms signs force of law).
I admit, I at times wonder whether a lot of people claiming to be cops are in fact anti-gunners trying to cause a rift between normal people, and actual police. Of course, whenever I think that may be, I just remember that often times, they really are cops, and really are against our rights.
divemedic
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So as a police officer, does your department allow you to drink and surf the net for porn while on duty?
If not, then are you prohibited from ever drinking?
I love all of the hypocritical cops here who arrest people for breaking the same laws that they feel free to ignore, thinks to the "brotherhood" and the "blue wall of silence"
Tpaw, when you said:
You were wrong. See post 22 and 26. How can you enforce the law if you don't even know what the law IS?
If not, then are you prohibited from ever drinking?
I love all of the hypocritical cops here who arrest people for breaking the same laws that they feel free to ignore, thinks to the "brotherhood" and the "blue wall of silence"
Tpaw, when you said:
You were wrong. See post 22 and 26. How can you enforce the law if you don't even know what the law IS?
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There is no love for LEO here. Grow up people not all of us are dirty police officers. OBTW After almost 1000 hrs of LE training I think I should be able to carry anywhere. If you want that same privilege then take the year long Law Enforcement class. That was one of the reasons I chose this profession. I get so tired of people b****ing bout police but when they call 911 they expect us to be there immediately kissing there ass.
So what about some one the miltary that has had several thousand hours of weapons training, or a MP that has had simlar training?
Not all agencys have that much training. Infact my local LEA on average has done less then 15 hours of any type of "force training" per officer in the last 3 years.
I do agree, one 2 day class is not enough.
Not all agencys have that much training. Infact my local LEA on average has done less then 15 hours of any type of "force training" per officer in the last 3 years.
I do agree, one 2 day class is not enough.
divemedic:
Read the HR law in its entirety. Why such an anti position against LEO's? We did not bestow that right upon ourselves, your government did. Write your congressman. Just for the record, if you read any of my previous posts on the THR regarding handguns, you will see that I am pro conceal and open carry for evey qualified citizen in the US. Give it a break.....
Read the HR law in its entirety. Why such an anti position against LEO's? We did not bestow that right upon ourselves, your government did. Write your congressman. Just for the record, if you read any of my previous posts on the THR regarding handguns, you will see that I am pro conceal and open carry for evey qualified citizen in the US. Give it a break.....
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For me i guess i would rather trust a well trained military official than a police officer. especially when there job is to arrest. Seems like now adays thats all police are concerned about. I have enough law enforcment in my family. Heck my own brother is a sheriff. however i have no respect for them. None at all. I obey the laws and i do my best to know the laws. however i will be the last person ever calling 911 to get a police officer.
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"however i will be the last person ever calling 911 to get a police officer."
maybe you could regale us with some examples of this. you know how you've stepped up and "did what a mans gotta do" rather than call 911.
lest the skeptics wonder
maybe you could regale us with some examples of this. you know how you've stepped up and "did what a mans gotta do" rather than call 911.
lest the skeptics wonder
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I think you're missing the point.Old Dog said:
A couple of years back, this forum was overrun with LEOs asking us all to support passage of HR 218, the bill that authorizes active and retired LEOs to carry concealed in all states. Back then, they told us it wasn't that they were "special," it was just a first step, and that after they got authorization for national CCW they'd line up behind us to support getting the same rights for all of us.
Well, HR 218 passed, and all those LEOs who promised they'd support national reciprocal CCW for the rest of us have created an absolutely deafening silence with their support for us to get the same rights. All people are sayin in this thread is that LEOs are not a special class of people, and that if we "civilians" who have carry licences can't carry on campus, then it's only right and fair that LEOs carrying on the basis of HR 218 shouldn't be allowed to carry on campus either.
I think we are probably all in agreement that everyone should be allowed to carry on campus. Until that happens, though, I am in the camp that feels the LEOs should be subject to the same rules the rest of us have to follow. Which, incidently, happens to be exactly what the law says.
Aguila Blanca states:
[QUOTE]Well, HR 218 passed, and all those LEOs who promised they'd support national reciprocal CCW for the rest of us have created an absolutely deafening silence with their support for us to get the same rights. All people are sayin in this thread is that LEOs are not a special class of people, and that if we "civilians" who have carry licences can't carry on campus, then it's only right and fair that LEOs carrying on the basis of HR 218 shouldn't be allowed to carry on campus either.[/QUOTE]
Can you support that with documentation? Many of the LEO's that are in my union, are pro open carry/conceal carry for non LEO's who qualify. Where are you getting your mis-information from?
[QUOTE]Well, HR 218 passed, and all those LEOs who promised they'd support national reciprocal CCW for the rest of us have created an absolutely deafening silence with their support for us to get the same rights. All people are sayin in this thread is that LEOs are not a special class of people, and that if we "civilians" who have carry licences can't carry on campus, then it's only right and fair that LEOs carrying on the basis of HR 218 shouldn't be allowed to carry on campus either.[/QUOTE]
Can you support that with documentation? Many of the LEO's that are in my union, are pro open carry/conceal carry for non LEO's who qualify. Where are you getting your mis-information from?
so sniper, what you are saying, is only LEOs are professional enough to carry firearms anywhere?
tpaw, funny you would tell divemedic to do that. Why don;t you go read his other post, where he specifically cites where the law puts restrictions in. Oh wait, then you couldn't pointlessly ramble, oh and it is so gracious of you to allow us civilians to carry guns, if we qualify. Nothing like having to qualify to exercise a right that existed before this country. No infringement there...
tpaw, funny you would tell divemedic to do that. Why don;t you go read his other post, where he specifically cites where the law puts restrictions in. Oh wait, then you couldn't pointlessly ramble, oh and it is so gracious of you to allow us civilians to carry guns, if we qualify. Nothing like having to qualify to exercise a right that existed before this country. No infringement there...
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OMG I just wasted ten mins of my life reading this!
If Big brother has a candy bar, I want a candy bar!!!
Never a more appropriate handle to fit half the posts i just read.
If somekid was my kid, I would ground him for being a brat and take his cap gun away.
If Big brother has a candy bar, I want a candy bar!!!
Never a more appropriate handle to fit half the posts i just read.
If somekid was my kid, I would ground him for being a brat and take his cap gun away.
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