trex1310
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I have a Henry (H003TM) .22 magnum pump. It is very accurate and a
lot of fun to shoot. I find most ammo is about $10 for 50 rounds. Not bad
IMHO.
lot of fun to shoot. I find most ammo is about $10 for 50 rounds. Not bad
IMHO.
Opinions on the .22 Win Magnum
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Al LaVodka
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The .22 Mag is great.
It was developed as an inexpensive varmint cartridge meaning inherent accuracy and great terminal ballistics.
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A .22 Mag from a 6" pistol is more powerful than a .22 LR from ANY gun.
A .22 Mag from a rifle is as powerful as a .38 at close range.
A .22 Mag at 100 yards has 50% more power than a .22 LR and, in fact, at that distance is as fast as the .22 LR was from the muzzle!
The .22 Mag is an amazing round out to 125 yards. Compare the price to small centerfire rifle cartridges...
Al
It was developed as an inexpensive varmint cartridge meaning inherent accuracy and great terminal ballistics.
Points:
A .22 Mag from a 6" pistol is more powerful than a .22 LR from ANY gun.
A .22 Mag from a rifle is as powerful as a .38 at close range.
A .22 Mag at 100 yards has 50% more power than a .22 LR and, in fact, at that distance is as fast as the .22 LR was from the muzzle!
The .22 Mag is an amazing round out to 125 yards. Compare the price to small centerfire rifle cartridges...
Al
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FMJMIKE
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I wouldn't be without a .22 WMR rifle. It really knocks groundhogs down good.
againstthagrane
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you may as well get a .223 judging by the prices of the ammo at my local range. internet prices are another story.
PigButtons
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I had a Marlin 25MN that I used to kill groundhogs and raccoon. One shot kills are the norm, and they seldom do more than fall over and twitch. Those two vermin can run a long ways and sometimes recover from a single 22lr shot. There is no comparison IMHO.
As for target shooting. I sold my 25MN and got a Savage 93BTVS with the Accu-trigger, thumb hole stock, and stainless bull barrel. It will consistently hold 1/2" groups at 100yrds with Winchester SuperX and Federal Premium. It sprays CCI Maxi-Mags like they were buckshot though.
Bottom line is: if you need to kill something larger than a rabbit at 100 to 150 yards, you need 22 mag. If all you want to do is kill paper dots, get a 22lr.
OR ... better get one or more of each. They are addictively fun.
As for target shooting. I sold my 25MN and got a Savage 93BTVS with the Accu-trigger, thumb hole stock, and stainless bull barrel. It will consistently hold 1/2" groups at 100yrds with Winchester SuperX and Federal Premium. It sprays CCI Maxi-Mags like they were buckshot though.
Bottom line is: if you need to kill something larger than a rabbit at 100 to 150 yards, you need 22 mag. If all you want to do is kill paper dots, get a 22lr.
OR ... better get one or more of each. They are addictively fun.
Al Thompson
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PB for the win!
I wouldnt mind getting a .22 magnum but i dont feel the need right now. THe .22 lr does the job as most of my shootings are less than 35 yds.
As to kill factor, theres nothing a .22LR can't do that a .22 magnum can do. Of course at closer distances.
As to kill factor, theres nothing a .22LR can't do that a .22 magnum can do. Of course at closer distances.
Jefferson Herb
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Anyone who has a .22mag rifle should have a ruger single six or a variation thereof.The price is now appaling compared to what we used to pay,[good thing I have it ratholed].I used to buy PMC 40gr sp and hp in the bitteroot for 5.00 a box,bought it by the brick.I have some of the 30gr stuff,but not impressed except for pest control at close range.
Anyone who has a .22mag rifle should have a ruger single six or a variation thereof.The price is now appaling compared to what we used to pay,[good thing I have it ratholed].I used to buy PMC 40gr sp and hp in the bitteroot for 5.00 a box,bought it by the brick.I have some of the 30gr stuff,but not impressed except for pest control at close range.
ghitch75
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here are mine...
top is Henry 22mag
middle Rossi M59 pump
Ruger single-six
the Rossi and the Henry will do 1" @ 100Y.....the single-six will do the same @ 50y...
top is Henry 22mag
middle Rossi M59 pump
Ruger single-six
the Rossi and the Henry will do 1" @ 100Y.....the single-six will do the same @ 50y...
I like the mag a lot, maybe because my CZ 452 Lux is such a sweet rifle.
1" at 100 yards (rested, scope) with CCI 40 TMJ or JHP. 1-1/4" with the relatively cheap Federal Champion 40 grain FMJ. Fiocchi shoots very well too.
I've never owned a .22lr that did that well at 100, I know they're out there, just never found one myself.
I also like the flat trajectory and relatively low report.
1" at 100 yards (rested, scope) with CCI 40 TMJ or JHP. 1-1/4" with the relatively cheap Federal Champion 40 grain FMJ. Fiocchi shoots very well too.
I've never owned a .22lr that did that well at 100, I know they're out there, just never found one myself.
I also like the flat trajectory and relatively low report.
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Hi, Idempotent. I think one of the points of the Hornet is that it bridges the gap between the .22 Winchester Magnum Rimfire (WMR) and the .223 Rem. No doubt the modern .223 Rem can ballistically outperform the venerable 22 Hornet. And yes, because of ammo production numbers, and economy of scale, you can definitely find factory ammo in .223 cheaper than for the Hornet. Reloading is the way to go. But what’s the point of the Hornet? There are several.
For those who reload, the Hornet is pretty efficient. Looking through some loading manuals will prove this quickly. One example: With IMR 4198 and a 40 gr bullet, the Hornet will achieve 78% of the velocity, using a little under 50% of the powder, as compared to .223 Rem. And with some loads, 54% of the powder will get you 85% of the velocity. Make no mistake, the Hornet won’t achieve .223 Rem velocities, but it gets you into the ballpark. And as mentioned, it also nicely fills the niche between the .22 Winchester Magnum Rimfire (WMR) and the .223 Rem.
So what kind of velocities are we talking about with the Hornet? With a 40 gr bullet and Hodgdon Lil’Gun powder, Hodgdon’s website publishes up to 2826 fps. Nothing to sneeze at. And if you’re willing to step down to a 35 gr bullet, there are published loads for over 3000 fps. If you want to go heavier, you have a good selection of 45 gr, 50 gr, and up to 55 gr bullets. Just keep in mind that the heavier (longer) bullets may require a steeper twist rate for proper stabilization.
Another plus for the Hornet is muzzle report/muzzle blast. Definitely less than .223 Rem. Don’t expect .22 WMR levels, but it really is milder than the .223 Rem. That may not important to a lot of shooters, but it is for some.
Finally, for those who appreciate the history of firearms, the Hornet has some stature there as well. It dates back to at least the 1920’s and 1930’s, and has some blackpowder roots from the 22 WCF beyond that. It’s pushing 100 years old, and still performing.
Here are a couple of links that I found here on THR.
http://www.reloadbench.com/cartridges/22h.html
http://www.shootingtimes.com/ammunition/22hornet_082306/
P51D
For those who reload, the Hornet is pretty efficient. Looking through some loading manuals will prove this quickly. One example: With IMR 4198 and a 40 gr bullet, the Hornet will achieve 78% of the velocity, using a little under 50% of the powder, as compared to .223 Rem. And with some loads, 54% of the powder will get you 85% of the velocity. Make no mistake, the Hornet won’t achieve .223 Rem velocities, but it gets you into the ballpark. And as mentioned, it also nicely fills the niche between the .22 Winchester Magnum Rimfire (WMR) and the .223 Rem.
So what kind of velocities are we talking about with the Hornet? With a 40 gr bullet and Hodgdon Lil’Gun powder, Hodgdon’s website publishes up to 2826 fps. Nothing to sneeze at. And if you’re willing to step down to a 35 gr bullet, there are published loads for over 3000 fps. If you want to go heavier, you have a good selection of 45 gr, 50 gr, and up to 55 gr bullets. Just keep in mind that the heavier (longer) bullets may require a steeper twist rate for proper stabilization.
Another plus for the Hornet is muzzle report/muzzle blast. Definitely less than .223 Rem. Don’t expect .22 WMR levels, but it really is milder than the .223 Rem. That may not important to a lot of shooters, but it is for some.
Finally, for those who appreciate the history of firearms, the Hornet has some stature there as well. It dates back to at least the 1920’s and 1930’s, and has some blackpowder roots from the 22 WCF beyond that. It’s pushing 100 years old, and still performing.
Here are a couple of links that I found here on THR.
http://www.reloadbench.com/cartridges/22h.html
http://www.shootingtimes.com/ammunition/22hornet_082306/
P51D
jimmyraythomason
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In my area the key here would be simply "to find" the ammo at all! .22 Hornet ammo would have to be ordered. NO store or shop here has or has even HEARD of the Hornet. Unless you stockpile ammo or can wait a few days for an ammo delivery, the Hornet isn't a practical option. In my personal experience there IS NO GAP that needs to be filled between .22WMR and .223 Remington. That isn't to say I wouldn't take a .22 Hornet if the price was right. (I don't choose my guns because of need anyway)
jimmyraythomason
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I disagree on both counts.
Al Thompson
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I am unaware of any competition using .22LR past 50 meters. Can you share some examples I may have missed? Silhouette doesn't really count as the rams are both fairly large and don't always fall to .22LR.
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bhk
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NRA smallbore .22 matches are held out to 100 yards.
http://www.nrahq.org/compete/smallbore.asp
http://www.wrpa.com/2009_Match_Programs/090815-16_Racine.pdf
Historically, smallbore matches were regularly held out to 200 yards. These included matches at Camp Perry. There are still some clubs holding 200 yard matches.
http://www.bing.com/search?q=200+yard+.22+smallbore+matches&src=IE-SearchBox&FORM=IE8SRC
http://www.examiner.com/x-33722-Okl...e-Southern-Oklahoma-Sportsmans--Club-in-Davis
http://www.nrahq.org/compete/smallbore.asp
http://www.wrpa.com/2009_Match_Programs/090815-16_Racine.pdf
Historically, smallbore matches were regularly held out to 200 yards. These included matches at Camp Perry. There are still some clubs holding 200 yard matches.
http://www.bing.com/search?q=200+yard+.22+smallbore+matches&src=IE-SearchBox&FORM=IE8SRC
http://www.examiner.com/x-33722-Okl...e-Southern-Oklahoma-Sportsmans--Club-in-Davis
t george
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http://www.rapidreticle.com/22lr3-9x32.htm
I dont know much about these scopes, but they look cool. have a reticle for 22 lr and 22 mag...
on the 22 lr it is copensated to 200 yards... I wonder if you hit a rabbit at that distance with a 22 lr would penitrate or just knock the dust off.... still might be fun for target shooting
I dont know much about these scopes, but they look cool. have a reticle for 22 lr and 22 mag...
on the 22 lr it is copensated to 200 yards... I wonder if you hit a rabbit at that distance with a 22 lr would penitrate or just knock the dust off.... still might be fun for target shooting
Al LaVodka
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Guys;
Com'on. I just looked at .22 Shorts that say "range 1 mile," .22 LR that say 1 1/2 miles, .22 Mags that say "dangerous within 1 3/4 miles" and I think I've seen some rimfires that indicated up to 2 1/2 mile danger zones... What does that have to do with anything?
If I have sights that put the gun up at a 30 degree angle I have no doubt that the bullet will go far and might even go thru a piece of paper -- but it had better be a darned big piece of paper if I am lucky enough to hit it. If you are shooting against others with the same handicaps please recognize they are just that. If you are shooting for accuracy within the real working ranges of a .22 LR (where it is really a test of you, the gun, and the ammo and would be effective upon impact), it is 50 yards or so...
Al
Com'on. I just looked at .22 Shorts that say "range 1 mile," .22 LR that say 1 1/2 miles, .22 Mags that say "dangerous within 1 3/4 miles" and I think I've seen some rimfires that indicated up to 2 1/2 mile danger zones... What does that have to do with anything?
If I have sights that put the gun up at a 30 degree angle I have no doubt that the bullet will go far and might even go thru a piece of paper -- but it had better be a darned big piece of paper if I am lucky enough to hit it. If you are shooting against others with the same handicaps please recognize they are just that. If you are shooting for accuracy within the real working ranges of a .22 LR (where it is really a test of you, the gun, and the ammo and would be effective upon impact), it is 50 yards or so...
Al
Maverick223
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I'll be the odd man out. I don't like the .22WMR, it is about the bottom of the bucket WRT rimfire accuracy, it offers little more killing power than the .22LR, the additional range is negligible, and the cost is far too great for the performance. The 5.45x39.5mm russian is just as cheap and significantly more powerful. Heck even .22Hornet/.223Rem. is pretty close if you reload, and both afford much greater accuracy as well as power.
OTOH I do see a place for the .17HMR (as well as the .17HM2 and the 5mmRem. Mag.) because the trajectory is much better, the practical effective range is significantly increased, and most importantly the accuracy is greatly improved despite the increased cost. I do not see the .17HMR (or the .17HM2) as a terribly effective hunting cartridge, because it affords little advantage over the .22LR, but it at least extends the range.
OTOH I do see a place for the .17HMR (as well as the .17HM2 and the 5mmRem. Mag.) because the trajectory is much better, the practical effective range is significantly increased, and most importantly the accuracy is greatly improved despite the increased cost. I do not see the .17HMR (or the .17HM2) as a terribly effective hunting cartridge, because it affords little advantage over the .22LR, but it at least extends the range.
Maverick223
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I didn't say it was inherently inaccurate, there are accurate loads and inaccurate loads for most cartridges, most of the best ones tend to be handloaded IME. Furthermore it could be made accurate, but the manufacturers choose not to (there is match grade choices for most other rimfires), and handloading is not an option.
steven58
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My only .22 mag is a 4 7/8 Ruger Single Six. Quite accurate and allows me to have .22 LR rifle performance in a pistol. Works good on tree rats but I only shoot when they are on the ground for safety.
As to the range of a .22 LR. I recently acquired a CZ 452 American in .22 LR and mated it to a Pride Fowler 3-9 X 32 which has a BDC reticle calibrated to 200 yds.
While I will do a more detailed write up about this combination at a later date, I can tell you that with the scope zeroed with .22 LR HV ammo at 50 yds I was able to consistently hit antacid tablets at 100 yds and 2" clays out to 200 yds. I use a rangefinder and have a colleague place the targets at unknown random distances from 50ish out to 200. Great fun!
As to the range of a .22 LR. I recently acquired a CZ 452 American in .22 LR and mated it to a Pride Fowler 3-9 X 32 which has a BDC reticle calibrated to 200 yds.
While I will do a more detailed write up about this combination at a later date, I can tell you that with the scope zeroed with .22 LR HV ammo at 50 yds I was able to consistently hit antacid tablets at 100 yds and 2" clays out to 200 yds. I use a rangefinder and have a colleague place the targets at unknown random distances from 50ish out to 200. Great fun!
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