Permit yes/no?

[Texasgrillchef]

This thread is NOT meant to be a debate about open carry vs conceal carry. So please do NOT debate open vs conceal.

31 states offer permitmess open carry, while 17 of those states allow permitless conceal carry as well. Which means 14 states allow permitless open carry, while requiring a permit to conceal. (I counted Oklahoma even though the law doesn’t take effect till 11/1/2019)

How many of you either do not have your permit because you can legally open carry, OR if your state allowed permitless open carry, you would open carry just to forgo the hassle of obtaining the permit to conceal?

My question is I am wondering how many just don’t bother with getting a permit since they can legally carry anyways as long as its open?

I’m in Texas, I have my LTC because it’s required for both. If it wasn’t I might not have gone through the hassle. But I also went through the trouble because I travel to other states. (For reciprocity reasons)

However Washington does NOT recognize With reciprocity the Texas license. So when I go to Washington, I am forced to carry openly because it’s the only way I can carry legally.
Are there any others that do the same or would do the same?

Again this is NOT a debate on open vs concealed. But a debate on if you would or wouldn’t based on the need of a permit, and if the state you wanted to carry in recognized your states permit or not.

 

[George P]

OR if your state allowed permitless open carry, you would open carry just to forgo the hassle of obtaining the permit to conceal?

My state does not, but even if it did, I would not.

 

[ATLDave]

Logically, virtually everyone who is legally eligible in my state should get a CC permit. First, it covers things other than firearms (in fact, it's called a Weapons Carry Permit), and it avoids the possibility of inadvertently violating various laws that you don't even know about. Second, if you have a WCP, then when you get a gun at an FFL, you fill out the 4473, show them the permit, and you're done. You don't have to wait for an answer from NICS... you're pre-approved.

Moreover, carrying openly somewhere that concealed carry is illegal (because you cannot be bothered to get a permit) is idiotic. What happens when your shirt comes untucked and flops over the gun? You're now violating the law.

Doing open carry because you cannot be bothered to get a permit to carry concealed is like riding a horse down the interstate because you can't be bothered to get a driver's license. This is an unbelievable line of reasoning.

 

[jar]

For most of my life the norm was that concealed carry was frowned upon if not illegal. Criminals concealed their guns, honest folk did not. When I first moved to California openly carrying a firearm was perfectly legal and nobody really paid much attention. It was only when the Republicans while Ronald Reagan was in office banned public carry of any firearms because black folk were carrying firearms during peaceful protests in Sacramento. Shortly after that my family was placed in a position where there was a valid reason to fear for our lives and the local police said we should be armed at all times. When I pointed out it was illegal I was told the the law was not meant for "people like me" and I should just be discrete.

When I lived in Georgia Open Carry was legal without a license but I still applied for my carry permit.

Today, I would likely still want to hold a license if it were an option.

 

[GEM]

This may be tangential to the focus of the thread but the LTC certainly aids in gun purchases in TX. I think it does in some other states.

Too bad the GOP ditched the reciprocity legislation at the first chance it could get.

 

[Texasgrillchef]

This may be tangential to the focus of the thread but the LTC certainly aids in gun purchases in TX. I think it does in some other states.

Too bad the GOP ditched the reciprocity legislation at the first chance it could get.

In Texas the LTC does aid in purchases. You still fill out the form, but you don’t have to wait on the background check. For whatever reason, mine was always delayed and I always had to wait three days. Until I got my LTC and now I no longer have to wait the three days. That was another reason I went ahead and obtained my LTC, as well as most states recognize the Texas LTC. It would be nice if our federal government would be mandatory state reciprocity.

I just find it interesting how so many people are adamant about carrying concealed yet the majority of states allow it with out a permit. Yet require a permit for concealed. There isn’t a single state that does the reverse. (Require for Open but not for concealed)

 

[GEM]

Our Federal government had the chance, but the GOP controlled Congress gave up the reciprocity bills after a rampage and never looked back. What a surprise. Our Senator Cornyn pushed the bill, but now it's crickets from him and the GOP. That's a hint about their dedication but I don't want to divert from the thread's purpose.

 

[Texasgrillchef]

Doing open carry because you cannot be bothered to get a permit to carry concealed is like riding a horse down the interstate because you can't be bothered to get a driver's license. This is an unbelievable line of reasoning.

I agree with you, but you know there are people that do so in those states for many different reasons.

I would like Washington and Oregon to recognize The Texas LTC but they don’t. And if I am hiking and camping etc in Washington or Oregon, I refuse to not carry. Thus to carry legally in Washington/Oregon I am forced to carry openly. Of course if the citizens of Washington don’t like that, they can either outlaw permitless open carry, or they can recognize the Texas LTC.

I do refuse to travel to states that don’t allow permitless open carry or don’t recognize the Texas LTC, or Non-Resident Illinois Permit as well, I have both. I am in the process of attempting to get a non-resident Washington Permit, but it’s harder for a non-resident to get the Illinois. Oregon doesn’t issue non-resident permits to Texas Residents.

 

[Zaydok Allen]

I'm not required to have a permit to open or conceal carry, but I'm getting the enhanced permit my state offers so I'm covered in other states when I travel.

I know that wasn't really the answer, but it gets overlooked.

 

[Texasgrillchef]

Our Federal government had the chance, but the GOP controlled Congress gave up the reciprocity bills after a rampage and never looked back. What a surprise. Our Senator Cornyn pushed the bill, but now it's crickets from him and the GOP. That's a hint about their dedication but I don't want to divert from the thread's purpose.

Well as more and more states go full on permitless, eventually reciprocity will ALMOST be a moot point, why it’s really needed is to force states that won’t recognize any states permits and won’t issue non-resident permits to recognize other states permits. States such as California, Illinois, New York, Maryland, Mass, DC, and a few more. Those are the states that are forcing the whole reason behind mandatory reciprocity.

I believe Texas would have been another state to go full permitless if it hadn’t of been for some idiot to threaten one of congressmen this year.

But even then, if one travels, like I do, we would still need to get a permit, and the permit does make it easier to buy new guns.

 

[Texas10mm]

Second, if you have a WCP, then when you get a gun at an FFL, you fill out the 4473, show them the permit, and you're done. You don't have to wait for an answer from NICS... you're pre-approved.

This is not true in every state.

 

[Texasgrillchef]

I'm not required to have a permit to open or conceal carry, but I'm getting the enhanced permit my state offers so I'm covered in other states when I travel.

I know that wasn't really the answer, but it gets overlooked.

See that’s what I wanted to know, how many people who don’t need to get the permit, do so anyway because they want to travel to other states, or because they prefer to carry concealed.

 

[ATLDave]

This is not true in every state.

That's why the whole paragraph begins: "Logically, virtually everyone who is legally eligible in my state should get a CC permit. "

 

[Texasgrillchef]

When I lived in Georgia Open Carry was legal without a license but I still applied for my carry permit.

Today, I would likely still want to hold a license if it were an option.

Georgia now requires a permit for both open and conceal carry currently. However there is a bill pending (not dead yet) to allow full permitless open and conceal carry this making it 18 constitutional Carry states. Let’s cross our fingers.
They will still issue permits for those who travel out of state.

 

[film495]

I didn't get any handguns until after NH took away the need for a permit to conceal carry. Never open carried even though I'm pretty sure it has been legal around here forever.

 

[Zaydok Allen]

See that’s what I wanted to know, how many people who don’t need to get the permit, do so anyway because they want to travel to other states, or because they prefer to carry concealed.

I should note also, a basic permit in my state is extremely easy to obtain, and I've had one for 10 years.

The enhanced permit requires a class, written, and shooting test, and is a lot more expensive. But it covers 39 states. The ones it doesn't don't really interest me anyways with a few minor exceptions.

 

[Texasgrillchef]

I should note also, a basic permit in my state is extremely easy to obtain, and I've had one for 10 years.

The enhanced permit requires a class, written, and shooting test, and is a lot more expensive. But it covers 39 states. The ones it doesn't don't really interest me anyways with a few minor exceptions.

Most of those ones that don’t cover your state, don’t accept any other states permits either, and I looked you prefer to stay away anyways.

I have relatives in Illinois, they don’t recognize Texas, but at least they allow non-resident permits for those Texas Residents. Cost me $300 friggin bucks, but now I can at least carry in Illinois when I visit relatives. Interestingly enough Minnesota doesn’t recognize Texas LTC but will recognize Illinois non-Resident permit. Go figure.

I travel to Utah to go off roading in Moab, I am probably going to get a Non-Resident permit from Utah, because it’s easier to obtain then Washington states permit. Washington will recognize Utah’s non-Resident permit. But since Washington allows open carry without a permit, I’m tempted to forgo the hassle in the first place.

personally I support constitutional Carry in the first place. It’s a violation of the 2A because it provides a barrier and a wall to the poor who can’t afford the permit fees or classes. However, in Texas, if you qualify as poor and are below the national poverty level, the permit fees in Texas are waived. There are also several organizations in Texas that will provide classes to the poor as well for free, as well as provide certain individuals with affordable used working guns for $1. This is Texas though, I don’t know how many others provide this capability to those who are below the national poverty levels.

 

[George P]

This may be tangential to the focus of the thread but the LTC certainly aids in gun purchases in TX. I think it does in some other states.

Too bad the GOP ditched the reciprocity legislation at the first chance it could get.

Thank God they did - national reciprocity is NOT thew way to go, unless you want CA, NY, NJ, DC and the rest dictating the "rules"

 

[WheelGunMan]

To reiterate, the real big reason to getting a conceal carry permit is the ability to travel thru the states that recognize your permit as valid to conceal carry in their state. I travel from Michigan to Florida in the winter and my permit is recognized by all the states I travel thru.

 

[George P]

To reiterate, the real big reason to getting a conceal carry permit is the ability to travel thru the states that recognize your permit as valid to conceal carry in their state. I travel from Michigan to Florida in the winter and my permit is recognized by all the states I travel thru.

Exactly..........................

 

[AlexanderA]

I see a paradoxical attitude among gun owners. On the one hand, there's a justified fear of crackdowns on gun ownership, and therefore a desire not to be on record as owning a gun. Yet on the other hand, gun owners fall all over themselves to get carry permits, to register NFA items, etc. You can't have it both ways. Either you're preparing to go underground with your guns, or you're openly and proudly heading straight to the confiscation counter.

 

[MedWheeler]

^^ This is nothing more than a blatant attempt to derail the thread. No one is "proudly heading straight to the confiscation counter".

I live in Florida. Even if this state were to permit unlicensed OC, I would have the CWFL required to carry concealed. This would be to allow me to carry while in compliance with the law. While I could likely get away with any and all of my firearms-related interests and activities without following the law, I am not inclined to, and discussion of doing so is outside the scope of THR.

 

[ontarget]

In MI carry laws require a permit to conceal but not open carry. Before I got my CPL I open carried when I felt it was a good idea, like fishing along the river downtown at night. Problem was that under MI law if I got in my truck with my pistol in the holster I was concealing it and therefore committing a crime. I got my CPL and now I don't have to worry about that. We also can bypass the NICS check for purchases from an FFL and can buy handguns from private sellers without a purchase permit with our CPL.
There has been talk here of moving to constitutional carry but I will maintain my CPL just for the convenience of purchasing guns.

 

[newfalguy101]

I live in Neb.

Generally speaking,

Open carry is legal w/o permit
CC is legal with permit.

I have considered getting a CHP several times, but, have not.

The only time I open carry is when I am hunting.

I have open carried in Wallybarf and another grocery store as well as the bank I used at the time.....only the grocery store made an issue of it...they are actually now closed...coincidence??? Yes I am sure it is

 

[Spats McGee]

....How many of you either do not have your permit because you can legally open carry, OR if your state allowed permitless open carry, you would open carry just to forgo the hassle of obtaining the permit to conceal?

My question is I am wondering how many just don’t bother with getting a permit since they can legally carry anyways as long as its open?....

I got my CHCL when it was required for concealed carry. There was an argument that open carry was legal, but I know of no law enforcement agencies that believed that, at least not inside any city limits. There was a statute on the books defining a crime called "Carrying a Weapon." Then in about 2013, the General Assembly added a few words to that statute and sort of accidentally made permitless open and concealed carry legal. Nonetheless, I already had my CHCL by then and it's fairly simple to renew, especially when work brings you into contact with concealed carry instructors on a regular basis.

If I didn't have my CHCL today, would I get it, in spite of the state of Arkansas law? Yeah, probably. I don't travel out of state very often, but I'd like to have reciprocity if I did, and if I'm pulled over while driving at night, I don't really want the police officer surprised by my pistol.