S&W X-Frame advice

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Waffen

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I have recently decided I want to purchase a big bore revolver for my 21st birthday. I have narrowed it down to either a 500 S&W or the .460 S&W. I reload so ammo cost / availability is no problem there. I have shot my best friends 500 a few times, and it's a handful to shoot with heavier bullets, but I think once I get some real trigger time it would easily become manageable.

I am leaning towards the 460 as it can shoot 45LC , 454 Casull, and .460 S&W, however the raw horsepower of the 500 is pretty amazing. I plan to use this gun for shooting hogs and deer @ 100 yards. I think both are pretty much up to the task.

So, let me hear your opinions on the 460 and 500's and which would you buy?
 
Between these 2, I'd pick the 460. As you said it can shoot the .45LC, .454Casull and .460. Can't beat that versatility and the availability of cheaper ammo for plinking. The .500 can only shoot the magnums and the specials.
 
+1 on the .460 for versatility. Either caliber (.460 vs .500) will take care of deer or hogs to 100 yds. Good luck.

Good shooting and be safe.
LB
 
I for one am not a believer in the "more versatility" argument since I re-load. Sure, you can shoot three different cartridges, but why? If you are a re-loader, all that means is that you can shoot three different *lengths* of cartridge, since you can download the 460 to 45LC levels if for some reason you would want to do that. 45LC brass might be a little cheaper than 460, but that difference would be minor in the whole scheme of things.

An analogous situation would be the .38/.357. I used to shoot both in the same revolver, but rarely do any more. Shooting a couple cylinders of 38 will quickly foul the cylinder to the point that .357 cartridges won't fit any more. It takes a serious scrubbing to get the carbon ring out so you can get .357s in again. I don't see why the 460 would be any different. Shooting .357 first negates this problem of course. Since I re-load, I just load .357 cases to .38 levels and do away with the problem all together. There are 500 Special cartridges available now, but I have absolutely no interest in them for the above reason.

Another issue is point of aim. For a handgun with the range of the 460 and 500, some type of optics are almost essential to get the most out of it. This will have to be zeroed for the load of your choice, which will of course will be a different zero for the other loads. You can mess with the scope settings while shooting, but for the recoil these things generate, I like to leave it alone to the greatest extent possible. I have a reduced load for the 500Mag for practice, and I have to use targets at a much shorter range to keep the point of impact anywhere near the point of aim. For long distance, I have to go back to the full-house loads.

Yet another issue is barrel life. The 460 runs at a much higher pressure (65,000 psi vs 50,000 on the 500Mag if I recall correctly). I have seen several posts by people bent out of shape because their 460 starts shooting poorly and they find out that S&W estimates the barrel life at around 1500 rounds. I would be bent out of shape too. For $100 or so they will put a new barrel on it if you send it back to the factory. I haven't confirmed this with S&W, by the way, so take it with a grain of salt. I have never heard of anyone wearing out the barrel of a 500Mag, but that is not to say it can't be done.

One of the reasons I got into re-loading is that I wanted to create a set of loads for my 30-30 that I could use for a variety of purposes. I figured a 100gr Plinker for practice, the 110gr HP for varmints, the 130gr HP for coyotes, the 150gr FP for small deer, and if necessary a 170gr FP for deer as well. That way I could just drop in whatever cartridge I needed at the moment. I would have the ultimate multi-purpose hunting rifle. That was the plan anyway. I quickly found that the rifle had a pronounced preference for heavier bullets. I could get the 170gr loads under 1" at 100yds off the bench. The 150s opened up a bit, and it went down hill from there. The 100gr hit a paper plate about half the time at 100 yds. So in the end I have a rifle that shoots 170gr deer loads really well, and that is all I use it for. I have no direct experience with the 460 in this regard (maybe someone else on this forum does) but it was undoubtedly optimized for the screaming velocities of the 460, and that may negatively affect accuracy on the slower 454 and 45LC loads. You could ask around about that one I guess.

I really like my 500, and don't plan on getting a 460. If the 460 had come out first I would probably have one of those and wouldn't plan on getting the 500. Six of one, half dozen of the other. I'm sure you would be happy with either one.
 
That was a thoughtful comment. Personally, I'd get a .500 S&W before a .460; indeed, I'd probably skip the .460 and just get a Ruger .454 Super Redhawk to go with my hypothetical .500.

I will note that this:

Shooting a couple cylinders of 38 will quickly foul the cylinder to the point that .357 cartridges won't fit any more. It takes a serious scrubbing to get the carbon ring out so you can get .357s in again.
is not consistent with my experience shooting my Ruger GP100. There's a ring, but inserting and shooting .357 cartirdges is still unproblematic. Perhaps it depends on what .357 revolver one uses.
 
38 ring: happens on my 60 and 586. Might be a tolerance issue - ie the Ruger may be looser . . . .

Re plinking with an X-Frame - struck me funny. Plinking with a 10 pound revolver that could double as a rifle.

We need a new word for plinking with firearms that are this big . . . . . maybe "palunking"?
 
I have two of each. A 4 inch 500 Mag and a 6 inch 500 Mag. I also have 2 S&W 460 Mags in the 7.5 inch PC version. I like both cartridges, but If I had to have one it would be the 460 Mag. In my opinion the 460 is more versatile and the recoil is a little better managed. I do shoot my 500 Mags well and have taken a black bear with one shot from it. With all that said, my back up gun when camping in bear country, like when I go to Alaska Caribou hunting, my 4 inch 500 mags is there. In the 460 Mags I don't shoot the 454 Casull or the 45 L/C's much. I prefer the full house 460 Mags. :D
 
I actually had the same choice a few weeks ago. I decided to go with the 500 because it doesn't have as high a velocity as the 460. Where I live there is a local handgun only range about 10 minutes away and an outdoor rifle/pistol range about 45 minutes away. The indoor range allows the 500 s&w to be used there but NOT the 460 s&w due to its higher velocity. I get alot more range time in only having a 10 minute drive than a 45 minute drive.
 
Waffen said:
I am leaning towards the 460 as it can shoot 45LC , 454 Casull, and .460 S&W, however the raw horsepower of the 500 is pretty amazing. I plan to use this gun for shooting hogs and deer @ 100 yards. I think both are pretty much up to the task.
I can't speak for the 500 because I have never shot one but I will give two thumbs up to the 460. I laid waste to a bull elk last winter with a 65-70 yard chip shot. He folded after 30 steps. I hope to get close up and personal with a big boar black bear that roams behind my house when the spring season begins on April Fools Day.
 
I have a 460 XVR PC and subscribe to the versatility line. There are numerous loads available for all three cartridges for the 460 depending upon use, cost, and availability.You should investigate what all three chartridges are capable of before:evil: deciding on just one. As far as barrel life, I have checked this out with S&W and they say it is "BULLSHOT". I would think they are more reliable than postings here or anywhere else. They have a business and reputation to bacK them up and protect. If you want to take a backyard ballistic technicians advice, well enough said. BTW, I'll do what the 500 can, hopes to do, cheaper, and has a better resale. But hey, I'm a backyard ballistic technician.
 
I would rather have the .500mag but I would have to admit that (especially at 100+ yards) the .460 should be more accurate as its a higher velocity round (assuming that faster=flatter).

So if I was trying to kill furry critters with it I'd want more pinpoint accuracy than brute force (although you get both with the .460).
 
So if I was trying to kill furry critters with it I'd want more pinpoint accuracy than brute force (although you get both with the .460).

Get 700grn rounds for the 500 and it won't matter where you hit the critter. :evil:
 
Zen21Tao, at the range that does not allow the 460 to be shot, can you shoot 454 Casull or 45 L/C's in it at the range?
 
I will soon have both bought the 500 4" first .. there is also a new comp out for the 500's

i like shooting the 500 better than my 454 casull now that im getting a 460V well see if it still holds true

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Not a problem ill be picking it up in 2 weeks

Them pesky things like the house payment and food Kept me from picking it up yesterday :banghead:
 
Since you reload, I think you'll find that bulk bullets for the .460 will be much more affordable than the .500 offerings.
 
I just got a 460 this past Dec. & have shot it a few times. A Performance Center model with a 6.5" barrel (7.5 including the muzzle brake). WOW!!! Love it. If you want bragging rights only the 500 is bigger. But if you want real knockdown power in a very controllable gun look no further. I'm no expert shooter, just a plinker but it is easier to handle & control than the 454s I've shot. I was able to shoot two inch groups @ 25 yards. One group had six shots touching, about a 1.25" group. I worked up to the 460 loads (Hornaday 200's) from 45 LC & then 454’s. The 460 was the most accurate by far. 45's were terrible (5+" groups with several keyholes), reloads - maybe the recipe was wrong. The 454's were better 3 - 4" but not nearly as good as the 460s. All shots were single action, I haven’t tried double action. Trigger was great. Recoil easily manageable. Muzzle blast however is just is ferocious, if you’re around one make sure you stand behind the shooter! But I love the beast, and think it was the better choice over the 500 (at least for me). I’ve read that if zeroed @ 100 Yards, it is flat shooting enough to shoot point-of-aim out to 200 yards for deer sized game. I can’t/don’t believe any of the speculation re. extreme barrel wear. The only difference between it & the 500 is the bore size. It may not last like a .44 or whatever but the considering the amount of shooting that will be done with it; wear should not be any concern. My only problem is finding reloading data. $20-$25/Box of 20 is not for the retired (me). Any reloading info would be appreciated.
Well, good shooting.
 
+1 on the 460. I bought a 5" 3-4 weeks ago and after about 500 rounds of mixed 45, 454 and 460, it's replaced my venerable 629 6" .44 mag. as my favorite revolver. I read up a bit on the gain-twist rifling that's on the 460 but not the 500. It's somehow suposed to make the barrel shoot as if longer accuracy wise as in my 5" pipe is supposed to shoot like it was 8". (Handgun Viagra?)

Also, about barrel wear - I was told by S&W [1-800-331-0852] that they expect the gun (barrel included) to have a useful life on par with any of their other magnum revolvers and will factory recondition to new specs for a reasonable charge at that point.

I think either caliber will cleanly kill anything on 4 legs in North America. I just think the .460 will do it more accurately from farther away.
 
Zen21Tao, at the range that does not allow the 460 to be shot, can you shoot 454 Casull or 45 L/C's in it at the range?

I believe so but I haven't asked. They restrict bullets that reach a certain velocity. I don't that the 45 LC or 454 Casull reach that velocity.
 
Warning!

I've heard that the .460 and .500 have problems with forcing cone erosion and lose pressure after >1000 rnds. and have to be repaired, costing more moolah than the purchase price.

Be careful; you may want to research this a little more for your self.



Edit: my bad, someone already brought this up.
 
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