San Gabriel CA Gun Club Under Fire !!

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http://www.sgvtribune.com/Stories/0,1413,205%7E12220%7E2057382,00.html?search=filter

Residents take aim at longtime gun club

By Diana L. Roemer
Staff Writer
Thursday, April 01, 2004 - AZUSA --


A resident of a cozy mountain housing tract by the San Gabriel River said he bought his homes to get away from city noise, not move closer to it.

But six days a week from 8:30 a.m. until 4:45 p.m., the idyllic coves of upper Azusa are peppered with the rat-a-tat tat of gunfire from the longtime San Gabriel Valley Gun Club as members take target practice.

The gun club has been at the same location since 1946 in the foothills at 4001 Fish Canyon Road in Azusa, but on the Duarte side of the river.

Now, Mountain Cove resident Bill Coats has appealed to the Azusa City Council and Rep. Hilda Solis, D-El Monte to make it go away. "If you're a half-mile from the river it's like a war zone,' Coats said.

Gun club spokesman Dale Price said the club has a right by law to be there. "We're sorry, but we were here first,' Price said.

He said the club has tried to accommodate those who are bothered by the noise. Club members once stopped shooting a cannon when someone complained, he said.

Michael Battaglia, a spokesman for Mountain Cove builder Standard Homes, said buyers were warned about the gun range, which leases its land from Vulcan Materials.

Coats said he saw those warnings but times have changed and the club should get out because so many homes are within earshot. "Sometimes it sounds like there's 40 people out there and they all have machine guns. It's just rifling, rifling, rifling,' he said.

The noise has been an issue for more than a decade with area homeowners, even those at older developments in the lower canyon, said Mirador Development resident Nancy Fairchild. She has shrugged off the gun noise for eight years.

"I knew it was there. There are those who complain about it but there are some people who are not going to like a lot of things,' Fairchild said.

Many of Coats' neighbors and the city's mayor say it is time for the 530-member club to move somewhere else because there are many new homes in the canyons affected by it.

'I don't like it,' said resident Jane Galvan. "We would support them going away,' said resident Dianne Mallon. Azusa Mayor Cristina Madrid said the council is going to see about getting the lease terminated. "For a million years there were not a lot of residents up there. We'd like to terminate the lease of the gun club. We just haven't defined a clear path to do that,' Madrid said.

Vulcan spokesman Todd Spitler said the relationship with the club is good, but Vulcan wants to maintain good relationships with neighbors, too. The company will work with the City Council on the issue and recognizes a gun club is a "controversial tenant.'

Coats said it's a problem that needs to be addressed. 'It's kind of like the 600-pound gorilla in the room. Everyone knows it's an issue but nobody does anything about it,' Coats said.

-- Diana L. Roemer can be reached at (626) 962-8811, Ext. 2105, or by e-mail at [email protected]
 
Tough on Coats. He knew what he was getting into when he bought his home. No compassion from me. I wonder what the gunclub members could do to put the city in financial straights?
 
Coats: what a putz

I don't know a lot about the legal dynamics in this scenario, but Coats and all the residents were told BEFORE buying about the gunclub: THEY should move out.
 
The sound of legitimate gunfire is the sound of, ........"FREEDOM"!!!

It is the same everywhere, whether it is a gunrange or an airport. people move into an area and the next thing you know they are signing or organizing a drive to oust the "been there forever" shooting range or airport.

:mad:
 
These are the same type of morons who buy land at the end of an airforce runway & then moan & piss over the noise.
 
We had a similar situation some years ago here in our State....realtors and developers failed to tell potential buyers about the club.....first nice day after a hard winter all the shooters came out and began blasting away. Home owners threatened legal action, club stood it's ground.

Developer and realtors had to buy back some of the homes because they failed to tell people aboout the range next door. Developer also gave the club about $150,000 to sound proof some of the ranges.....valuable lesson was learned by the realtors.
 
San Gabriel CA Gun club needs to retain a good lawyer. It sounds like Vulcan Materials is wishy-washy on the issue, and could terminate the lease of push comes to shove.

Seems that if you are going to have a gun club, the way to do it is to purchase the land instead of leasing it.

Anyone know what land patents are?
 
Would the city be prepared to furnish the gun club with an alternative sight that would be agreeable to all? Since Hell will be freezing over first I don't think that's going to happen. If the city gets away with this what's to stop them from allowing homes to be built near any legal entity, then forcing some law abiding group or organization out. It seems redundant to keep saying this, but these homeowners acknowledge they were fully aware of the gun club and it's useage when they moved nearby. The saddest part is that the moronic Ca. courts would probably side with the city/homeowners.
 
This is sad. The Santa Anita range closed a bit back, now Fish Canyon is on the ropes. Me and Beetle go there every weekend.

These homeowners were notified in advance. I can't see how they have any legal leg to stand on. Now, if Vulcan Materials refuses to renew the lease, that would suck bigtime.

The RO told me last weekend that they were going to install an $80,000 soundproofing wall to help with the noise. Looks to me like they're a tenant that's acting above and beyond good faith.

"Controversial tenant," what a scarlet letter. Wish I could use that label with impunity on some of my tenants....
 
My gun club is in the same predicament. What used to be farm land surrounding the club is now yuppie housing. I say screw them, if they didn't do a little personal due dilligence before they purchased their homes....tough, move.
 
I have friends who live in the area. Doesn't seem to bother them. They actually seemed excited to hear the range so close to their new home. I know I feel soothed whenever I pull into their driveway and hear the muffled reports echoing off the mountains.

Fish Canyon was there first.

If the noise coming from the suburbanite p-whipped soccer-dads offends me can I get THEIR leases terminated too?
 
Rest assured that not everyone in Mountain Cove agrees with the complainers.

My wife and I found Mountain Cove on the way back from shooting at Burro Canyon and we thought it would be a lovely place to live, complete with a moat.

We were actually informed by the builder, as well constructively informed by the sound when we visited the site when our home was under construction. The sound is no worse than when Standard Pacific is using pneumatic hammers and powder-actuated anchors in constructing the last few homes in the development.

To say that the place sounds like a war zone is patently ridiculous. I can't wait until someone complains about the traffic on a long weekend. The place becomes an absolute trap. Are they going to ask the Forest Service to close the National Forest?

I am a resident of the development and an attorney. Who do I contact to donate my time?
 
If any of you guys help out in this case, would it be possible to make the 'plaintiffs' that are complaining about the noise to put up some of their money, maybe a sizeable chunk of it, maybe a 2nd mortgage on their houses for when they lose the case?

Seems that we need to establish a precedent of some type of bonds in order to make it inconvenient for these blissninnies to sue.

Maybe a communications link to the Missouri Shall-Issue lawsuit is in order. Make these blissninnies hurt in the pocketbook!

:D :D :D
 
Can I move in next to these doorknobs? I'll wait about a week and then sue because I don't feel like living next door to a bunch of busybody jerks. ;)
 
Action by a club after the homes are built is like closing the gate after the livestock got out.

Our club had a similar situation....only we took action during the planning and zoning phases. It's still talked about today amoung our city planners.

The entire club's 800 families (about 3000 people) showed up at a city council meeting and hearings on the proposed development. People were standing in council chambers, down the stairs, hallways, and outside the building.....

TV camera crews got wind of it and put all over the airways. Not one city official voted in favor of the proposal....(politicians do know how to count votes!)........after the proposal was voted down, we all left and only a handful of people remained for the rest of the meeting. The point was made loud and clear.
 
Welcome to THR Bryan Payne . :)

Someone else mentioned re airports and people who move to close by - and THEN bitch about noise!:rolleyes:

Another classic is people who move close to a well and long established farm facility .. and then bitch about cocks crowing in the morning ... and the smell of honest manure!!

The ONLY time IMO people have a leg to stand on is if THEY were there first .. and someone started up a range facility too close .. that would be a whole different ball game.

Otherwise .... NIMBY folk ... latecomers ... ****!:p
 
C'mon, I've been out there..

Cool place, and pretty remote, as I recall.

It's not as if the range abuts someone's back yard. I can't imagine that the noise over the distance is much worse than the usual background stuff in a quasi-urban environment.

The mentality of the complainers reminds me of the folks who buy houses up in the canyons or next to a national forest, then complain about coyotes and/or wildfires.

You knew what you were getting into. Deal...

Or come to my neighborhood and listen to the car alarms at 3:00 am...
 
Vulcan spokesman Todd Spitler said the relationship with the club is good, but Vulcan wants to maintain good relationships with neighbors, too. The company will work with the City Council on the issue and recognizes a gun club is a "controversial tenant.'
This range is affecting the planet Vulcan? Jeeze. I guess they really do hear better with the pointed ears.


:D :rolleyes:
 
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