Sarsilmaz Hancer branded pistol - good buy?

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A local sporting goods chain has a 'Sarsilmaz Hancer 9MM' for sale for $359.

Is this a good deal for this pistol? I realize that Sarsilmaz is making pistols for others such as Armalite but haven't been exposed to a gun with their name on it yet.

Are they good guns?
 
They are coming from the same factory as the AR24's. In fact the name on them is the name of the factory producing the AR's. In other words a rebranded AR24. Rather that is good or bad I don't know. I'll stick with the original CZ's myself.
 
Yep, they make the AR-24 for Armalite.

These are nice pistols, and the frame is a machines forging. They are actually a little nicer than the CZ-75 in IMO. I've only handled on, and haven't shot one.
 
Talked to the guy at Academy, and he said they were being waranteed by Brilley (sp?) out of Houston.

He said they took one apart and were thoroughly impressed with the craftsmanship.

Academy intends to sell two models, the Hancer and a slick looking "Kama" model, supposedly the service pistol of the Turkish military.
 
I noticed those at Academy too. The gun actually has "Academy" on the side of the grip/frame.

The Kama model just has some cuts in the slide or frame to reveal a stainless barrel. It does actually look pretty neat, but I think I'll be buying a CZ 75b and get a proven gun for just a tad bit more.
 
Ar 24

OK, Guys & Gals, There have been many questions about the AR 24, I had them also. Having been around rifles, shotguns and handguns all my life, and I retired 7 years ago, I have been buying , shooting and trading guns for a while. I am no expert , to say the least. I recently bought a AR 24 w/ adjustable sites, cost me $574.00 tax included.
I have got to say, IT IS ONE FINE GUN
I can't find one thing wrong with it. As a matter of fact it is almost unbelievable how fine it shoots. I treat all my guns with SweetShooter, per the instructions , no cheating , and that in it's self improves the accuracy and actions of any gun. I go for renewal of my CHL (3rd time) before January and I WILL be using my AR24. I really have so many good things to say about it, I don't want to bore ya anymore than I have already. Got any questions, let me know.
 
I think those are the "Turkish Military Pistols" that SOG has in their catalog.$399 for the 45acp model,and $349 for the 9mm...
 
Why AR24?

If the Sarsilmaz for $359 is the same gun as the AR24 for $500 (I think it was $630 on the Armalite site), why would someone buy the AR?

I, too, have heard they are good guns, and would love to get one to compare to my CZs.
 
I qualified for my CHL with this one........

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Sarsilmaz Hancer 2000, 9MM Luger
 
These look interesting.

I have a few questions about both these Sarsilmaz Hancers and the Armalite AR-24 - 9mm only:

Can either, or both, use CZ-75 magazines?

I don't see a cross pin hole for the firing pin retaining roll pin of the CZ-75B. Do these use a 1911 style firing pin retaining plate (which I consider superior) like the Pre-B CZ-75?

Do either, or both, have a firing pin block? I prefer pistols without firing pin blocks for their better triggers and higher reliability.

Will fire control group components (hammer, sear, trigger) for the CZ-75 or CZ-75B fit the Sarsilmaz or AR-24?

Will CZ-75B grips fit the Sarsilmaz or AR-24?
 
Well, I've had a Sarsilmaz Hancer 9mm for a few months now, and think very highly of it. Comfortable grip, flawless reliability, and excellent accuracy at 15 yards. Though it may not be the most compact 9mm (13 rounds), nor the lightest; I've got no complaints. As far as I know, Academy Sports is the only outfit carrying those two 9mm versions, so they're not too well known. As far as compatibility with CZ-75 magazines and grips, I don't know. I can find out for you when I get back home this Friday.

Kirkcdl -- I checked SOG's website and don't see any Sarsilmaz pistols in 45ACP listed. Sarsilmaz's website is down too. What about that 45 ACP version that SOG is offering?
 
AR 24 barrels are cut a little bit differently than the standard Sarsılmaz pistols, rifling is much more cleanly cut, which translates into better accuracy. Also, while the outer surface of the Sarsılmaz barrel is left as bare metal, the AR 24 barrel is phosphated.
AR 24 front sights are dovetailed, while the Sarsılmaz front sights are stamped on the slide, which makes the AR 24 sights easier to change.
The slide counters are completely different, so different and additional CNC settings and machines had to be put on the production line for the AR 24.
All of these small factors translate into a little more costly production.
Both Sarsılmaz and AR 24 have firing pin block. But they do work differently as the Tanfoglio and BabyEagle pistols. Most of the brands' firing pin block is engaged when it is pushed down by its spring. But these pistols' firing pin blocks are engaged when the lever in the frame pushes them upwards against the spring. When the trigger is pulled, the lever slightly releases the firing pin block to downwards under the tension of the compressed firing pin block spring. So, the firing pin block and its' spring do not add an additional weight to the trigger pull.
The firing pin is also retained by an end plate similar to the pre-B CZs.
The manual safety of Sarsılmaz and AR pistols can be engaged when the pistol is in DA mode which can only be done in SA mode in CZs.
The slide of the AR 24 can be manupulated when the manual safety is on. So, you can cock the hammer, engage the manual safety and chamber a round, while you can unload the pistol in similar manner with the manual safety is on.
Because of the firing pin block design, CZ fire control unit will not work with them.
P.S.: Sarsılmaz/AR 24 and CZ magazines are not drop in unfortunately.
Regards.
 
Sarsilmaz Hancer 9MM IS Made By CZ!

I also found a Sarsilmaz Hancer 9MM at Academy on sale yesterday for $359.99. As it was soooo much like the CZ 75 9MM, I did a little research to find out if it was a clone, or a knock-off. It is neither! The Sarsilmaz Hancer 9MM IS made by CZ in its factory in Turkey:

http://www.outdoors.net/site/images...bumID+0+UserID+4409+curpage+29810+SearchTerm+

It is very similar in weight to the CZ 75 9MM with a 4" chrome barrel and 15 rd. mags (where allowed). As with the CZ 75, the Sarsilmaz Hancer 9mm has a thinner profile than a Glock. The handgun is specially made by CZ for Academy Sports & Outdoors stores and bears Academy's name on the slide. It usually sells for about $399.99 in the Academy stores. If not for the weight of the Sarsilmaz Hancer 9MM (I own a lighter weight CZ P-01), I would own one!

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If the Sarsilmaz for $359 is the same gun as the AR24 for $500 (I think it was $630 on the Armalite site), why would someone buy the AR?
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It's not clear to me that they are the same gun, even though they are clearly both CZ 75 B pattern pistols. Look at the pictures - they look quite different, and their weight are also not the same. Without holding one, I can't say more than that.

I am not sure how much "built in the same factory" means anymore in the age of CNC machining.

I can tell you why one AR-24 owner bought an AR 24 (in comparison to a CZ 75 B), because I know him real well (me):
  1. Forged steel - I like the heft.
  2. Fit and finish - the magazine articles turned out to be correct, my AR 24 is very smooth, inside and out.
  3. Armalite customer service - I heard it was pretty good.

I didn't put this on the list, since I couldn't tell if it was marketing hype or not, but it appears likely that the AR-24 was a pet project of Mark Westrom. I like it when a CEO actually has a vision and moves things forward. The other handgun I own, a Ruger Blackhawk was the product of a Bill Ruger's vision.

I was also impressed that Westrom wasn't looking to do a "bottom of the barrel" clone - again this could all be marketing hype, but he was not aiming to make a cheaper clone. The articles I read pointed out several decisions he made that increased the cost and price of the pistol, so this wasn't an "I can cut cost better than CZ" exercise.

That appears to be more than marketing hype - A.ENGIN IDEMEN specifies some of those decisions.

A.ENGIN IDEMEN said:
AR 24 barrels are cut a little bit differently than the standard Sarsılmaz pistols,...
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Wow! Thanks for the all the info.

I like my AR-24 pretty much.

It's a fun shooter.

That is in no way a diss of the Sarsilmaz Hancer or CZ USA or EAA pistols. I don't much get into "My Ford will kick your Chevy's butt anyday" arguments on THR. Those arguments seem pretty silly to me - I graduated from high school a long time ago. :)

Mike
 
I haven't seen the Academy handgun, but if it is anything like the AR-24, I would say for the price mentioned above, snatch it up.

The AR-24 is a very well built handgun, and offers many things the CZ 75 B does not.
 
You know Dobe you were reading my mind... seems like this thread could be locked easily...

My Stoeger Cougar was made in Turkey and its a great gun. Just for a counterpoint...how many soldiers were killed by our enemies in World War 2, yet most people have no problem with cars from either or guns from one of them... I won't mention countries or brands because I am sure everyone knows exactly what I am talking about. Then there is always the subject of oil... how many people don't buy gas because of where it comes from?? Turkey is a member of NATO, they are a democracy and a trusted ally of the United States. Every country has skeletons in their closets, every country...

I would hate to see this thread get locked.

Just my 2 cents
 
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Well a related question, sort of, is the Sarsilmaz Kilinc 45 going to be imported ever? Because I want one. And how does it stack up to the CZ-97B?

And for under four hundred dollars, despite my love of CZs, I would buy one of these in a heartbeat.
 
he Sarsilmaz Hancer 9MM is made by CZ in its factory in Turkey.
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From what I've seen of the Turk pistols, they appear to be a sister gun to the Tanfoglio. I highly doubt CZ has anything to do with them.

The AR-24 is a very well built handgun, and offers many things the CZ 75 B does not
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