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Would anyone use a mosin and a sks for survival situations as purely a backup weapon. Since i live in a state that does not allow assualt weapons I was thinking if I had both rifles would they be decent alternatives for SHTF situations. My thought is that ammo is cheap and I could keep a lot of it. Even if I paid the 250 a local gunstore is selling 7.62x 54R for 880 round case wouldnt it be useful. 2 cases would provide me with 1700 rounds more then i would ever get the chance to use and an sks with 2000 rounds for about 300 bucks. for under thousand in ammo i would be safe plus other ammo i keep on hand for genral shooting. Also i was thinking about getting a kel tec Su 16 since its legal and has its advantages. would i be on the right start. I honestly do not see a SHTF situation appearing anytime soon but i think being prepared can be important if it comes down to it. I seen a few websites and they seem to avoid these weapons and calibers and i dont understand why. Thanks all info it will all be appreciated.

And please dont flame me like i said im not being parinoid i honestly dont forsee any issue in my future or in this country i just am curious and am looking for info.
 
Darknight,

I don't see a problem with the setup you are suggesting.

Maybe I am simply set in my ways, or it is the nature of the game and such in my area, but anything in 30 caliber is going to have more benefit down here than the Kel-Tec .223 would. For that reason, I'd be more inclined to go the SKS and Mosin combination.

Although, if I understand it correctly, the Kel-Tec CAN use a 30 round M-16 magazine with no modification to either the rifle or the magazine. The 30 round detachable magazines for the SKS are a pain in the butt if I understand correctly.

I realize that 30 round detachable magazines are probably not a legal option for you where you are, nor am I suggesting you break the law. I'm only bringing up the facts surrounding the decision.


Good luck with everything.


John
 
sks holds 10 and can be VERY accurate for cheap .. not to mention the gun will ALWAYS fire .. i have had one for over 10 years shot many times and NEVER had a problem ..
 
They dont have high cap mags as a standard .. thats the only difference .. i own a sks and a ak47 .. sks is more accurate.. ak is for close range spray
 
don't fall for liberal newspeak

an assault rifle is capable of full auto fire
or three round burst.
An assault weapon is an invention of extreme left wing haters of freedom.

All of the rifles you mention are fine.
 
Darkknight - if you live in California the answer is YES - many folks here have SKS's and Big 5 has the mosin's on sale every other week for $80 - 90...and they been selling them for years...literally - I bought one for 80 or 90 about 9 years ago!
 
Koreatown

I seem to remember the SKS doing a fine job in the 1992 LA riots (after the Rodney King verdict).

I believe the Korean shop owners found themselves in a very practical definition of "SHTF" and acquitted themselves admirably with a wide assortment of arms, including the SKS.

Since, historically, California has had several real, bona fide, on-the-record SHTF adventures, it would be downright silly for someone to argue "it can't happen here" or even claim it's too improbable.

CA has had Watts riots, LA (King) riots, a large earthquake or two, and other incidents where things just plain went to hell.

I'd say a semi-auto rifle and enough ammo to overheat the barrel for a few hours is a reasonable and prudent precaution.

When funds allow, I'd recommend backing that up with a decent revolver. You never know when things are gonna get just a little too personal.
 
I think the best thing you can do to prepare for something like that would be to practice. I don't know how well you can handle a rifle, but when I bought my first rifle in a long time 2 years ago I was amazed at how badly I sucked. I thought that all that great practice I had done as a boy/teenager with a .22 the skills would just return. If you're not a good shot with a rifle then the rifles you mention are great because they're cheap to take out to the range and you can do some serious work with them to improve your skills. If you're not a good shot with a rifle and are just going to put them in the closet for "just in case" then I'd say don't waste your money and get a good quality shotgun.

Just my .02

Regards,
Dave
 
IIRC, the commies and third world countries have used the SKS, etc. for their SHTF situations for 50+ years

I have two 30 round mags always loaded for the SKS.
 
Thank You! gunsmith.........I agree lets not spread anymore extreme left wing terminolgy around if we can help it. Let the word "assault rifle" be limited to Hillary Clinton, and Rosie O'donnells limited vocabulary.

And yes, I would trust in the SKS for a SHTF firearm, although its a bit heavy especially w/30 round mags
 
I was under the impression that the SKS was on the naughty list in CA. I have also never heard anything good about the 30 round mag conversions, unreliable, PIA to convert, ect. If the SKS is legal in your location go for it. If not then I would opt for the SU-16.
 
I have 2 norinco sks'. They have never had a misfire, FTF/FTE in 15 years of shooting EXCEPT FOR THE TIME I ADDED A 30 ROUND MAG:banghead: I removed the 30 rounder and put back the fixed 10 round problem solved!
 
I suppose I snagged onto some special blessed 30 round duck bills. The only thing I don't care for is the contortionist exercise required to change them.
 
Surplus military rifles make a lot of sense for SHTF planning, because they are designed for that.

The two you are discussing are proven designs, and are economical answers to the issue. Buying both of them plus a case of ammo each, you would spend, in my area, 80 bucks for the MN, and 179 for the SKS. The 7.62x39mm would run about 120 bucks for a tin of 640 rounds, and the 7.62x54R would be about 80 bucks for a case of 880 corrosive surplus Hungarian rounds.

So, you'd be in business for 200 dollars worth of ammo, and 260 dollars worth of rifles, for a total of 460 dollars. And you could start with just one of them, whichever you could afford first, and build to your desired state of readiness. If you start with a case of x54R and an MN, you've only spent 160 dollars.

You can't even get into an AR for that amount, even if it was legal where you are. That's about the cost of a KT rifle, without ammo. A case (1000 rounds) of .223 PRVI softpoints is 335 dollars or thereabouts. A case of Wolf .223 (if you're someone who shoots that in a non-AK/SKS weapon) is about 90 bucks for a 500 round tin, or 180 for a thousand rounds.

If you don't have the coin (or desire to spend more) for the more expensive weapons, the SKS and/or MN will definitely be a lot of fun to shoot, and will take care of whatever business you need them to.
 
DITTO, GUNSMITH!!

As far as all the discussion regarding 30 rnd mags etc... he lives in California therefore 10 rnds is the limit period so duckbill 30s etc... have zero concern.

The SKS is a very proven design, load up on stripper clips and ya can reload the totally reliable fixed 10 rnd mag very fast, If your reasoning behind the M44 is longer range than the SKS then I'd recomend getting a 91/30 instead or a 24/47 Yugo mauser 8 mm mauser ammo is even cheaper than 7.62x54, the Yugo mausers can be had for as low as $109 in very good condition,

if your main concern is SHTF scenario then I'd deffinetly recomend a handgun, there are many california legal surplus HGs on the market at very decent prices like the CZ82 or a Star BM 9.MM the Star is a very reliable very concealable single action patterned after the 1911 (but more compact its slimmer and lighter but still made of real steel etc..) and chambered in 9mm which ya can get everywhere at a decent price.


Living in Arizona, onea the most gun friendly states left, I sometimes forget the hoops those living in occupied states have to jump through to have any symlence to freedom........ well right now I needa go out to the backyard and burn up a few 30 rnd mags of 7.62x39 through onea my AKs or maybe a VZ58...... sure wish ya'll could do the same in your states!
 
The guns you mentioned are good backup/trunk guns. I want something capable of a bit more firepower... but the weapons you've mentioned are capable in the right situation and in the right hands...
 
The SKS. The single best rifle on the market for the value. It's a heavy bastard, but it'll stand by you when it counts. By all means, get one.

Living in Arizona, onea the most gun friendly states left..
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Yep. I got family and friends all over that state, and they can only shake their heads at what we in the PRK go through.
 
I have plenty of handguns as of right now dont get me wrong but i plan on getting more but i currently own a .45, .357, 9mm, and a .22. I am just looking for long arms, i have a .270 but i think the 91/30 for 89.00 is a nice addition and a sks can be had for 250ish so that gives me the close in and dirty work with power. the kel tec su 16 would be an addition and a solid back up i figure since it has removable mags and i dont have to break the rifle in half. i also plan on getting a .22 rifle due to its practicality and overall usefulness. Also a shotgun is soon to be purchased and im planning on getting an 870p and maybe a mosberg 500 for general hunting. I assume in a SHTF ball point ammo will be fine and over penitration will not be my biggest concearn in long weapons. plus i will keep soft point ammo for hunting reasons and can be used in all situations. I do have plans for handguns to get a 10mm maybe a .40 S&W and a .45 long colt for kicks. also a camp carbine in 44 mag wouldn't be bad in a guide gun. I usually go to the range once every to weeks so i try to practice as much as possible plus .22 really help with that by being able to fire so many rounds cheap.

What are peoples feelings on bolt actions for SHTF they have their place for distance shooting and i know they would be useless in close quarters but arent they something worth having and can be used for other purposes such as food.
 
Get a nice Cali legal Garand in .30/06.

CMP has 'em for 400 bucks and up.

May need a new barrel to really show off past 500 meters.

If memory serves--you can still have an m-1a/m-14 varriant -the bayonet lug, right? My personal would still be the M-1 but an m-14 would be just as good. You would not have the ammo options of .30/06 though, and the cost would be a bit more (probably well over 1000 for a decent one).

I have m-1's, but recently bought a pair of yugo sks's for the aforementioned 'trunk gun' back-up gun role. A ruger mini-30 or mini-14 (in .223) might fit the cali legal bill but would cost much more than the sks does and not really do much more for the money.
 
why not go for a m1 carbine? mosin would be fine sks even better, ruger 10/22??
 
The SKS is a good choice for a SHTF weapon. Don't get hung up on high capacity magazines. You can reload the 10 round SKS mag with strippers very fast with a little practice. They're more than accurate enough and very reliable, well, until you try to put a 30 round mag on one. The SU-16 might be a good choice too, depending on your needs. They've proven themselves to be reliable and accurate. They're very light too, which is a bonus. Price wise, the SKS is still the better deal, but the SU-16 is sure a lot of fun at the range.
 
winchester

ya i wish i could buy from aim but they wont ship were i live or most places in the PRK. trust me i wish i could buy from them they sell ammo and greta prices but its not feesible.
 
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