The 9 millionth "what 1911 mags are most reliable" thread

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My brother in law has a colt 1911 enhanced, and reports jams on a pretty regular basis. I recommended CMC Power 10 round mags for range use, which is the only place he uses it. He says it still jams pretty regularly. Shooting 230 grain ball ammo.

I'd like to recommend him some absolutely reliable magazines and see if it will run on those.

So... Tripp Cobra mags? Which ones, exactly? 7 rounders, I assume... which follower?

How about Wilson 47Ds?

Metalform 7 rounders with the dimpled flat follower? Hybrid feed lips? Wadcutter lips?

Basically I'd like the experienced 1911 guys' consensus on "if it won't run with _______ mags, there's something wrong" mags.

Thanks!

Note: He also doesn't ever clean his pistol, so that may have something to do with it. :rolleyes:

In any case, I'd still like input on mags.
 
Chip McCormick 8-round Power Mags work flawlessly for me. Wilson 47Ds are great too, but the Power Mags are just as good in my experience and cost less too.
 
I'm hesitant to recommmend CMC to him as the ones he has aren't working. i realize comparing 10-rounders to 8 rounders is different, and I also realize some purists won't even recommend 8 rounders.

Looking for the gold standard for absolute reliability... I assume it's a 7-round mag.
 
I am a true believer in Checkmate's 7 and 8 round hybrid feed lip magazines. If my 1911 won't run right with those I usually start looking elsewhere for a problem.
 
While magazines are at the very heart of reliable feeding & functioning, it's not easy to "fix" a problem without actually diagnosing the actual cause, or causes.

Day in & day out, more than 95% of pistol stoppages and assorted malfunctions are induced in one way or another by the shooter.

The shooter's actions and maintenance practices can create problems even for the best of pistols.

I've seen even large strapping young men fail to properly grip a pistol (even a 1911-style pistol) and create feeding & extraction stoppages for themselves, and that's right before AND after I'd used the same ammo in the same gun and had it run normally in my hands. (I had a young man with a Kimber in mind while writing this.) How experienced of a shooter is your BIL?

Next comes the ammunition. What 230gr "ball" ammo is he using?

Lastly, comes the gun itself. Any "modifications, refinements or improvements" done to the Colt? Extractor tension checked? Lubed properly? Recoil & mag springs fresh?

Sure, I tend to like some types of magazines, and some guns may exhibit a "preference" for some mags. BTDT.

Before you can offer some constructive suggestions to your BIL, though, it's really necessary to observe him shooting the gun, inspect the ammo, gun and mags ... and even test-fire the gun for yourself.

Can't fix a problem until it's actually diagnosed to be a problem. Sometimes what one person considers to be a "problem" is really a symptom of a different problem, or problems.
 
Not experienced and he generally refuses my advice about ways to improve. I advised against the 1911 for his first pistol, for example.

I will see if he'll meet me so I can clean/lube the pistol and try it out for myself. Not a bad idea.

Ammo is WWB, Rem/UMC ball, PMC ball, and my Berry's plated reloads (4.5-4.8 grains of Red Dot under Berry's 230 plated, seated 1.260-1.265".
 
Not experienced and he generally refuses my advice about ways to improve. I advised against the 1911 for his first pistol, for example.

You like your BIL?

You have a willingness or tendency to subject yourself to unpleasant or trying experiences? Why bother? :scrutiny:

Wife needling you to "help" him? Rock & a hard place.


I will see if he'll meet me so I can clean/lube the pistol and try it out for myself. Not a bad idea.

Ammo is WWB, Rem/UMC ball, PMC ball, and my Berry's plated reloads (4.5-4.8 grains of Red Dot under Berry's 230 plated, seated 1.260-1.265".

Any decent build commercial 1911 ought to run on decent quality 230gr FMJ ball.

I've listened to enough other instructors and armorers complain about some variable QC exhibited by imported stuff, though, so I'd normally stick to something made by one of the major American ammo makers ... at least until the pistol has had a chance to demonstrate quality of build, assembly & fitting.

I'm not exactly a fan of the folded leaf/spring-type follower used by some mag companies to stuff 8-rds into a 7-rd box, myself, and replace such followers (and their lighter tension springs) with 7-rd followers and the correct (for particular follower design) extra power spring. (First thing I did with the pair of mags that came with my Colt XSE Gov some years ago.)

If your BIL has thus far made it a practice to load the barrel's chamber of his Colt 1911 by directly inserting a round into the chamber and letting the slide slam forward over the chambered round, instead of using the mag to feed the round, don't be surprised if the extractor tension has fallen outside its proper range.

Some folks just don't like to be told/taught anything, though, and firearms are NOT something for the inexperienced to learn about by trial & error, compounded by any "you can't teach me anything" attitudes.

Discussions about basic familiarization with firearms safety and handling never goes out of style. Nothing wrong with an inexperienced shooter learning to shoot with a handgun only loaded with 1 or 2 rounds at time, either.

Just some thoughts. Your call.

Colt makes a quality firearm, but even as the owner of Colt pistols, myself (and having been through the Colt Model O Pistol armorer class), a new pistol ought to be carefully inspected to make sure it's in the intended good working condition. Clean, properly assembled magazines are a good pre-range/live-fire inspection step, too.

If your BIL, or some well-intentioned 3rd person (at the gun shop, the range or whatever), has done something to the gun, it may create unwanted complications to identify and address.

The shooter influences are generally the most common issues that can adversely affect normal pistol operation and functioning, though.

If you're sufficiently familiar with 1911-style pistols, and are able to inspect and properly clean & lube his pistol (and clean & check the mags for assembly; being clean & dry, etc), maybe you can identify and isolate any existing issues and help him address them.

Good luck. :)
 
replace such followers (and their lighter tension springs) with 7-rd followers and the correct (for particular follower design) extra power spring.
What do "correct" 7 round followers look like? My Colt came with 8-round split/flat followers (and they work well for me so far) but you will note that the Check-mate 7-round mags in that link above all have the same split/flat type follower.

Good points all in your post, and much to consider. Yes I like my BIL. He's just a bit headstrong and very independent.
 
What do "correct" 7 round followers look like? My Colt came with 8-round split/flat followers (and they work well for me so far) but you will note that the Check-mate 7-round mags in that link above all have the same split/flat type follower.

Good points all in your post, and much to consider. Yes I like my BIL. He's just a bit headstrong and very independent.

By "correct", I meant the top coil of the mag spring having the correct shape for the particular 7-rd follower chosen. The different designs of followers and mag springs aren't all interchangeable. ;)

If you had a 1911 of your own, already known to be reliable with your chosen mags, it would let you focus on any shooter issues your BIL may be experiencing.

Approaching the problem of the BIL, gun, mags & ammo can be a bit more daunting. ;)

Think of it as a big Venn Diagram, with all of the potential influences being able to shift and overlap in any number of different ways at any given time. :eek:

If you enjoy a challenge, it'll be ... fun. (I can't help but think of the Black Widow character's comment of, "It'll be fun", in the Avengers, about what she was planning to do at one point in their melee, just before she asked Captain America gave her a boost upward. :D )
 
Has he "self-tuned" his gun any?
Change the recoil springs?
Did he add a shok-buff?
Change his mainspring?
Does he oil his pistol?
1911s like to run a bit wet.
The extractor has been mentioned several times.
A good cleaning, oiling and new recoil spring may do the job.
 
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I can't imagine any 1911 not working well with any fairly well made magazine especially shooting ball. Will you be able to find out what type of jam he's experiencing? Could be anything from limp-wristing to who knows. Most jams have a root cause and as soon as we know the specifics most guys here will be able to bird dog it pretty quick. Have you shot it? Let us know. Thanks
 
Far as I know the pistol is bone stock. I tried his 4 10-round powermags, through my Dan Wesson, two mags each with WWB (no issues) and one mag each with Remington/UMC "Leadless" FNEB. Had a FTF on the last round in one mag, left the last round sitting on top of the mag, partially in the chamber. Reloaded that mag with the Leadless, had second round FTF, nosedived against the ramp (ammo is weird, flat point). Also the last round FTF same as first.

So I marked that mag questionable (even though it fed 2 mags worth of WWB fine).

His pistol was unavailable so I haven't shot it yet.
 
Note: He also doesn't ever clean his pistol, so that may have something to do with it
Ya think? A coating of carbon residue on the feed ramp and throat of his pistol is no bueno. Rails bone dry? What kind of malfs is he getting specifically? FTFs? FTEs? FTRBs? Stovepipes? Double feeds?

After he learns how to properly clean and maintain his pistol only then can you look at the mags.

Colt factory mags, SA factory mags, Wilson 47Ds and ETMs are all good. CMC's better mags are okay.
 
"if it won't run with _______ mags, there's something wrong" mags.
Wilson 47d tubes, Wolf extra power springs, and Colt 7 round followers with the little bump.

For me keeping a 1911 running well is all about preventative maintenance. I try to keep them clean and well lubed, but not over lubed. The key thing is the extractor.
It must be clean and properly tensioned to work well. If I have a feed issue that is the first place I look. As a mater of fact I test the tension every now and then just
to avoid problems. It only takes a second to check, and most times just cleaning out the extractor tunnel will make it better.

Don't give up on the 1911 it can be a great gun, and very reliable with a little care.
 
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