There is No Human Problem that our Legislatures Don't Think They Can Solve

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The day when the big conflict over what is the legitimate job of government gets closer everyday.


http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...0031222/ap_on_re_us/states_battling_obesity_2
U.S. National - AP
States Look to Combat Obesity With Laws
AP
Mon Dec 22, 5:13 PM ET



By ROBERT TANNER, AP National Writer

Fighting to shed a few pounds and control that waistline? For the soaring number of Americans who are becoming dangerously overweight, states and cities across the country want to help.

With the U.S. Surgeon General calling obesity an epidemic, legislators nationwide are offering measures to encourage healthy food choices and ban the worst temptations.

Skeptics say government should stay away from trying to legislate something as personal as what we eat. But supporters say they can't ignore a growing public health problem or how it drives the ever-rising cost of health care.

Few ideas have become law yet. But states have considered scores of bills this year that would, among other things: get kids exercising; warn restaurant eaters about fat, sugar and cholesterol on the menu; and, ban sugary sodas and fattening chips from school vending machines.

In a Louisiana experiment, the state will pay for a few government employees' gastric bypass surgery — or stomach stapling — to see if it reduces health care costs.

"As a country, we have to wake up. We are in an epidemic," said Nevada state Sen. Valerie Wiener, who has had her own battles with weight but now is a champion weightlifter.

She heads a state committee gathering data on obesity, and how the legislature, food companies, the health care system and schools can act. "We're all paying the price," she said.

Under the laws that have passed, states will:

_Test the BMI — body-mass index, a ratio of height to weight — of students in six Arkansas schools, and send results home. Pediatricians say regular tests like this should be performed nationwide to track children at risk of becoming obese.

_Ban junk food from vending machines in California. New York City, in an administrative decision, banned hard candy, doughnuts, soda and salty chips from its vending machines.

_Require physical education programs in Louisiana schools, and encourage it in Arkansas and Mississippi. Though once a staple, such daily classes are now only required by state law in Illinois; other states let local officials decide or require exercise less often.

Public campaigns aimed at getting people to change their eating habits also remain popular. Billboards across West Virginia, featuring photos of bulging stomachs and couch potatoes, exhort people to "Put Down Chips & Trim Those Hips." Houston, Philadelphia and San Antonio, Texas have started "get fit" drives.

The statistics show the need for such efforts. The number of obese adults has doubled in 20 years, and is now up to nearly 59 million people, or almost a third of all American adults.

Childhood obesity has tripled, with one child in six considered obese.

As the pounds add up, so do the health care costs, because obesity is linked to diabetes, heart disease, and deaths from cancer — among other ailments.

West Virginia found that, for state employees, costs for obesity have more than doubled since 1995, rising from $37 million to $78 million, now nearly a fifth of the employees' $400 million health plan.

Still, some are critical both of the statistics and the proposals.



"There's a lot of fear and hysteria," said Mike Burita at the Center for Consumer Freedom, an advocacy group for the restaurant and food industry. "We're allowing government and these public health groups to dictate our food choices to us."

Among his top targets is the Center for Science in the Public Interest, a consumer advocacy group that produces a steady flow of warnings about unhealthy food, from movie popcorn to Chinese takeout.

"It's OK to have a cheeseburger and fries, but it shouldn't be a mainstay of your diet," Burita said. Exercise and education are the solutions, he said. "Kids went from playing dodge ball to playing computer games."

The skeptics are being heard. A Texas proposal to limit school children's access to snack and soda vending machines died after the state soft drink association complained. Most of the 80 or so obesity-related bills around the country also failed to pass.

"It's difficult to want to tackle something like this, something as huge as this," said Weiner, the Nevada lawmaker. She plans to bring together people from the food industry and the public health community to work with lawmakers.

The federal government is acting, too. The Bush administration urged insurance companies to offer premium discounts to people with healthier lifestyles. It has started giving grants to cities to target unhealthy habits.

More immediate changes are brewing on the state and local level.

In West Virginia, the state agency that insures public employees has started offering exercise benefits and diet counseling, in addition to the state's advertising campaign.

"If we don't get a handle on this, this generation of kids coming up will have a shorter life span than their parents," said Nidia Henderson, wellness manager at West Virginia's Public Employees Insurance Agency. "That's scandalous."
 
We are in an epidemic," said Nevada state Sen. Valerie Wiener, who has had her own battles with weight but now is a champion weightlifter.

The weight that shows up on her scale is nothing compared to the weight of her ego, not to mention the enormity of her short-sightedness.
 
Sorry, I had to finish my Klondike bar...:D

Yeah, whatever. Why is it that fat females are always the first to submit legislation to keep other people from eating? :uhoh: :confused: :barf:

Oh, yeah, it's for the children:barf:
 
>>"It's OK to have a cheeseburger and fries, but it shouldn't be a mainstay of your diet," Burita said.<<

Burita? That name alone sounds unhealthy.

BTW, have Senator Kennedy or Congressman Gerald Nadler "weighed" in on this problem yet?
 
most of the stuff they talk about sounds like bs, but I don't have a problem with not putting vending machines with nothing but junk food in schools (or making school lunches healthier for that matter). I also don't see a problem with insurance companies giving discounts for people who have "healthier lifestyles" as long as "healthier lifestyles" don't start to include not having diabetes or other ailements that the person can't help.
 
Ok, nico. You're now "Health" czar. Please tell us what we can or cannot eat, and how we must or must not exercise. You will, of course, approach your stance from an unbiased position. ;) If not, you get shipped off to some gulag, and a new Health Czar is appointed.
 
Soaring health care costs for fat folks shouldn't be my problem. It should be a problem between the fat person and his wallet, or the fat person and his health insurance company. But as long as Big Gummint steps in to pay the bill from my wallet in the form of taxes on me to pay for the fat folks' health care, it is my problem, and the fat folks don't believe it is their problem.
 
WHich is easier to control, gummint programs paying for health care or obese people? We can pass laws that cut off government-paid health care. How do you propose that the gummint "control" obesity?
 
a modest proposal...

_Ban junk food ...

Excellent idea! Poor diet results in cancer and heart disease, killing hundreds of thousands of Americans every year. Yes, bacon cheeseburgers kill more Americans annually (by at least one order of magnitude) than hemp, morphine, and coca *combined*!

Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you the War on Food!

What's that you say? The constitution does not empower the state to dictate the health and private morals of the citizenry? You think you actually have some kind of God-given freedom to scarf down Little Debbies and Mountain Dew in the privacy of your own home? Don't you know that Mountain Dew is a proven gateway drug? What are you? Some kind of selfish, libertarian-type, anti-government extremist who insists on "having it your way" while forcing the rest of us to tolerate your decadent permissive "lifestyle"?

"Leave me alone, I am not hurting anyone else!" you claim. Yeah, that's the mantra of every degenerate whose diseased behavior drives up health costs, taxes valuable medical resources, and encourages obesity among the ranks of America's children. What a pantload! Go peddle it somewhere else! Gee, the right-to-keep-and-eat munchies crowd wont be happy till every child is endangered by diabetes. I say it's high time we ban "death cookies." Don't ask me to define it; you know damn well which pastries I'm talking about.

I bet you consume grilled animal flesh, live in a trailer, have a poster of Camryn Manheim up on the wall in your garage, beat your wife, keep a weapons cache, watch professional wrestling, and beat baby seals to death just for the sheer fun of it.

And if your kids bring Oreos and Pringles to school, I hope that the police arrive with weapons drawn and teach your kind a lesson.

:barf:
 
Ok, nico. You're now "Health" czar. Please tell us what we can or cannot eat, and how we must or must not exercise. You will, of course, approach your stance from an unbiased position. If not, you get shipped off to some gulag, and a new Health Czar is appointed.
lol i think you misinterpreted what I said. I wasn't trying to imply that there should be some sort of government beurocracy to decide which vending machines are ok for schools or who gets healthcare.
My high school had about 20 vending machines and served pizza for lunch in the cafeteria almost every day so there wasn't really a healthy option if you didn't want to bag lunch. I'm not saying that the government should not allow junk food at schools (I have actually heard of schools that didn't allow kids to bring certain foods for their own lunch). But, since we have so many entitlements in this country where the government pays for problems that people have brought on themselves, I think they should serve relatively healthy foods in the cafeterias (most of the food tastes like crap anyway so it's not like they'd be sacrificing flavor) and not encourage eating junk food by putting a couple dozen vending machines around the school because frito lay and coke are going to give the school $.02 for every soda or bag of doritos the students eat. I'm not saying that the food kids eat should be restricted, just that if they want to eat junk food, it should be provided by their parents and not directly by the schools (i'm not saying pizza parties shouldn't be allowed in classes or anything like that).
As far as my comment about insurance, i think that should be up to the insurance companies. Auto insurance companies have "safe driver" discounts and life insurance companies charge higher rates if the person goes sky diving or mountain climbing. I think someone who eats healthy shouldn't have to pay as much for insurance as someone who's 100lbs overweight because they eat a big mac for lunch every day (an exaggeration, but I'm sure there's some people out there like that) because they're probably going to need a doctor a lot more than the person who eats healthy.
 
monkeyleg, giving nico the benefit of the doubt, he said that vending machines should have something healthy in them, not that they should have no junk food at all.

nico, most vending machines do have low-fat foods, if that's what you're suggesting. The trouble is that people don't generally buy peanuts (which aren't really low-fat but at least they have protein), sun chips, health bars, or low-fat crackers even when they're in a vending machine. They buy soda and candybars.

I don't know that I'd call anything in vending machines healthy. If someone wants to introduce a bill that mandates that every vending machine has to have spinach and sliced seaweed, I might drop my objections to its constitutionality just for the amusement value. Vending companies would go out of business due to the stench of rotting seaweed everywhere. :)
 
Burita? Is that a female Burrito?

There is one reason -- and one reason only -- that the government wants to keep you healthy and alive; dead taxpayers only pay taxes once. Live ones pay for life.

IT'S THE MONEY, STUPID!

They are like the witch in Hansel and Gretel in reverse. She wanted to fatten them up to eat them. The government wants to keep us trim so they can eat out our sustenance.
 
tyme, I didn't mean to say that there should be laws regulating what can and can't be sold in vending machines. What I was talking about was more of just a policy change for school districts to either limit the number of vending machines or just not have them in public schools.
 
Yay. Another War On A Noun. Now it's the War On Obesity. If it's waged with the same idiocy as the War On Booze and the War On Some Drugs, look for Twinkies and Big Macs to become contraband. They'll be illegal, but you'll be able to buy them at every street corner for $50 a piece.

I'm wondering how they'll combat the dreaded moonshine deep-frying operations. Will they make deep fryers illegal as "obesity-related paraphernalia"? Will they have midnight roadblocks where they can search and confiscate your car if your breath smells like Big Macs?
 
Vending machines in schools are there to generate money for the school, and nothing more. We didnt have them when I was in school, and we don't need them now.


As for this quote:

I also don't see a problem with insurance companies giving discounts for people who have "healthier lifestyles" as long as "healthier lifestyles" don't start to include not having diabetes or other ailements that the person can't help.

You better take a look at how insurance companies work. Your premiums will go up if you are diabetic, or have any other medical problems.
 
Survival of the Fatest

The ability to pack on an extra 30 pounds for the winter
is what kept humans alive a few thousand years ago

the human ability to pack on an extra 300 pounds
is what kept the wolves alive
 
Soaring health care costs for fat folks shouldn't be my problem. It should be a problem between the fat person and his wallet, or the fat person and his health insurance company. But as long as Big Gummint steps in to pay the bill from my wallet in the form of taxes on me to pay for the fat folks' health care, it is my problem, and the fat folks don't believe it is their problem.

Ding ding, we have a winner.

I'm responsible with my firearms. I'm responsible with my diet and exercise habits. I'd always been taught that if you do wrong, you suffer the consequences of that decision. Turns out if other people do wrong, I suffer the consequences of their personal actions. Since there are folks who are unwilling to take charge of their own health, will the whole nation have to suffer through some sort of federal diet? How long until I have to go to a public health officer and get a permit for some cookies, after proving my reasonable intentions and current good health habits? :rolleyes: :barf:
 
I wrote a novel, a political satire, in which, "eating a corn chip in the public square could earn you jail time." The characters prepared for a road trip by driving to the next county and buying chips and other junk food from a "speakeasy" in fabric store.

Maybe I should send the book out again--as nonfiction!


You can have my cheese burger when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers!
 
When statists claim a compelling national interest (you'll see this terminology alot after SCOTUS nixed part of the first amendment) in providing healthcare for all US citizens, it is inevitable those same statists would eventually clamp down on lifestyles. The state is now in a position to tell us what to eat and eventually it will tell us when to exercise.

Ahh, yes! Exercise! Let us all get active. Jogging, mountain cliimbing, football, baseball, basketball, hiking, skiing, skydiving, SCUBA diving. Ywp, let's get everyone out there exercising. Wait, more exercise means more risk of injury, more wear and tear on the ol' bod. Some sports are more risky than others. Can't have that because it raises the costs of healthcare.

What are we do do?

Soylent Green comes to mind.
 
If Congress wanted to put a man on the moon today, instead of exerting a national effort towards the space program, they'd just pass a law against gravity.:banghead:
 
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