Unintentional Discharge with 1911 in Public Bathroom

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Just what 1911 do YOU have that allows you to carry "hammer down with the safety on"?
None. But did he say he carries a 1911?


I think the guy was a little rude, but I don't really understand EDC with a cocked and locked full sized gun. Sure, HRT does, but they shoot people for a living. Autobody repair or whatever doesn't require that kind of hardware.

IMO.
 
Soooo...

Just what 1911 do YOU have that allows you to carry "hammer down with the safety on"?

Enquiring minds wanna know...

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Just what 1911 do YOU have that allows you to carry "hammer down with the safety on"?
None. But did he say he carries a 1911?


I think the guy was a little rude, but I don't really understand EDC with a cocked and locked full sized gun. Sure, HRT does, but they shoot people for a living. Autobody repair or whatever doesn't require that kind of hardware.

IMO.

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None. But did he say he carries a 1911?


I think the guy was a little rude, but I don't really understand EDC with a cocked and locked full sized gun. Sure, HRT does, but they shoot people for a living. Autobody repair or whatever doesn't require that kind of hardware.

IMO.

Well...this thread IS about an unintentional discharge of a 1911 and people ARE talking about 1911 platforms. Seems to me that this is a reasonable assumption, unless this was taken completely off track. Other pistols don't necessarily apply to this subject, especially when talking about how they work/don't work and unintentional discharges.

Some EDC cocked and locked...some don't. I leave this up to the individual.

However, it seems to me that having an EDC that isn't ready to shoot kinda defeats the purpose. Of course, Glock owners will say that they're more ready to shoot than I am, what with not having a safety with which to place their gun in "cocked and locked" condition.

Carry what you wish and how you wish...just be proficient at it.

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I think the guy was a little rude, but I don't really understand EDC with a cocked and locked full sized gun.

You understand why a normal person would want to carry a gun; but you don't understand why they would want to carry a gun so that it could be readily fired?

A single-action semi-automatic would typically be carried in Condition 1 (cocked and locked), Condition 2 (chamber loaded, hammer down), or Condition 3 (chamber empty, hammer down). Condition 1 leaves the gun ready to use as soon as the safety is deactivated and in a mechanically sound gun, usually has multiple redundant systems to prevent unintentional firing.

Condition 2 requires you to lower the hammer on a live round, which offers a few chances at an ND in its own right. Assuming that the cause of the ND in this thread was in fact firing pin inertia, then having the hammer down would not add any additional safety to carry either - in fact, you can't use the manual safety with the hammer down. Additionally, if you want to use the gun, you must draw and cock the hammer simultaneously which requires shifting your grip during the draw process - a step that is bad for marksmanship and retention. It is also a lot easier to flub cocking the hammer than wiping off the safety (especially on something like a Hi-Power with a 32lb hammer spring).

Condition 3 requires you to rack the slide in order to make the firearm ready to fire. This means you need time and usually both hands available to you. The linked thread contains a number of incidents from normal, everyday people who aren't HRT and who are probably really happy they carried cocked and locked instead of condition 3.
 
but I don't really understand EDC with a cocked and locked full sized gun
If you're going to carry a gun, carry a gun that will do the job accurately and quickly, in your hands. If you're going to carry a gun, carry a gun in a condition such that it is ready to do that job immediately (violent encounters don't happen in "just a minute, please") and with only one hand if necessary.

If you aren't going to prepare to USE the gun, effectively and NOW, don't bother to carry it. It isn't a magic talisman that wards off danger by riding in your pocket.
 
A 1911 is pretty much the same as any other combat gun that has a hammer and no firing pin block when it comes to this discussion. It can be safely carried with the chamber loaded hammer down or cocked and locked. Just like a BHP or older CZ type or PPK. More modern guns are slightly more drop safe, but not really in an important way for safety - since muzzle drop firing is about the safest ND you can ask for.

The 1911 is a great gun - it has the shooting qualities, control placement and trigger to make it very effective. It is no surprise that SWAT teams like it.

However, it is a huge, heavy weapon with primitive safeties. While it seems like blasphemy to say so, it is overkill for EDC by someone who has so little likelihood of ever needing a gun. It takes some real creativity to imagine a scenerio where a plumber or office worker would require the superior first shot and longer range rapid fire capabilities of something like a 1911 when something smaller, safer, (in this case) cheaper would be less likely to cause an ND.


In this case, a smallish plastic DA pistol with a pin block would probably have not needed to be unholstered, if it were unholstered could have been wedged somewhere more secure than on top of a toilet tank, and if it had dropped off the tank, WOULD NOT HAVE FIRED.


So a 1911 is a great pistol for lots of tasks, but the OP's 1911 is a big, heavy, primitive, expensive gun that was a factor in him engaging in behavior that was unsafe. And he's unlikely to ever get anything for that tradeoff, aside from being fired. An ugly little polymer .45 would have prevented the accident and the behavior leading to the accident, and still been more gun than most of us could ever possibly need at our fruit stand job.
 
While it seems like blasphemy to say so, it is overkill for EDC by someone who has so little likelihood of ever needing a gun. It takes some real creativity to imagine a scenerio where a plumber or office worker would require the superior first shot and longer range rapid fire capabilities of something like a 1911
It doesn't seem like blasphemy, just monumentally silly, or inexperienced.

A 1911 makes a great carry gun. Probably one of the most comfortable choices you could look to. There are no significant "long range rapid fire capabilities" of any serious merit that someone couldn't suggest are overshadowed by the lower capacity, compared to many other common carry guns.

ALL guns are more than most of us will ever need at our jobs. The 1911 no more or less so than any other.

Blaming the choice of gun here is daft.
 
Sam, do you really think the OP would have had an ND if he didn't feel the need to keep his heavy, easy to scratch safe queen with no firing pin safety off the bathroom floor?

A $3000 1911 might be a great carry gun, but it is a poor go to the bathroom gun.
 
I don't believe ANY gun should be on the bathroom floor... :confused:

If you don't know how to go to the potty while carrying, well, we've got a few threads on that.

It makes not one tiny...ITSY BITSY... little bit of difference whether you're carrying a KelTec or a Desert Eagle.

A 1911 is a "poor go to the bathroom gun?" Well, I'll have to remember that! :D
 
Well, if it can't take a fall from waist height onto ceramic tile without firing, then yeah, it is a poor bathroom gun.
 
Do you guys realize that almost 200 posts have transpired on the subject of guns discharging in bathrooms. I think we are becoming a bit too thorough on this topic. Perhaps a Pirelli rubber floor would have solved the problem. But then we would have had to measure the height of the bounce on each gun.
 
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