Intune
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Really? Serving those warrants killed 80+ people? Hmmm. You sure it wasn’t when the BD’s bought their first AR15? Or the Nat Guards AFV? Maybe it was right when they bought that Coleman lantern fuel. The FBI breaching those walls on day 51 is what caused those people to die on that day. Not the day before, not the day after and not when those warrants were served.You said that you, "don't care about the various warrants and how properly/improperly they were served." I pointed out that is the key to whole tragedy.
What “people†were “clamoring?†Was it the same “people†who “clamor†for lower taxes? Immigration laws? The war in Iraq? The environment? Gas prices? SUV’s? The economy? The gov sure has hopped on those issues. “We have 51 days to pacify Iraq and then we’re outta here.†Yeah, ok.As for the "people like you" comments. I stand by them. You and others that wanted another day, ignore the fact that people were clamoring for the government to "do something for those children trapped in the compound."
How many lives were lost following the initial confrontation? Still love to see that front door btw. The ATF/FBI was losing face (in their minds) with each and every passing day. I don’t care how much face our gov loses, they better damn well do nothing if their actions could result in the death of one, much less 80, citizens.There can be no "day 51," without the events of the preceeding 50 days leading up that day.
Oh, the kids were suffering alright and it came as a direct result of the psych-ops that the FBI was conducting. The clandestine microphones that the feebs had planted would have indicated that mass murder was taking place. No such indication was given. In fact, conversations were intercepted that would indicate further assault upon the compound would bring dire consequences to the inhabitants. All options had serious risks but assaulting the buildings posed the most grave one for the inhabitants. Guess which option they chose?There was no zero risk option, as I pointed out in my previous post. Do nothing and the kids suffer, and may have been hurt or killed by Howell and the others. Do something, and there may be a chance of getting the kids out, but there is a risk that things will go bad. All options including waiting for your "day 52" had serious risks.
What I would have preferred is for the FBI (our public servants) to continue negotiations no matter how long it took to see the situation resolved peacefully. 52 days or 300. Oh, they did something about the kids inside (who thought they were safe with their parents) alright. And at the same time served notice to the public that our government has a finite amount of patience when it comes to alleged lawbreakers.Would you prefer that DOJ had brought in BOP to erect a fence around Ranch Apocalypse, and call it the Mt. Carmel Penitentiary? What to do about the kids inside though?
You people think that the government can do no wrong. You people believe that when a citizen is accused of a crime it is well within the bounds of governmental policy to precipitate actions that will probably result in the immolation of his/her family and friends. You people think that the government should wait a proscribed amount of time (or until it feels embarrassment) and then just do what it came to do no matter the outcome. You people feel that the government is always right and that citizens should acquiesce to its demands at all times. You people paint with a broad brush because it blends the individual into the unwashed masses of the citizenry thereby enabling sanctions of God given rights. You people.
Pretty close to how you feel DMF? Yeah, you had me nailed too.