what makes an HK P7 so great?
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Single stack magazine is fine by me. I only carry 1911s and my PSP without any extra magazines.
In my opinion, if it's a gun fight that takes more than 1 magazine, then it is probably a gun fight you shouldn't be involved in anyway. I am not Rambo and I am not Johnny Law. Defense shooting means stopping the threat and getting the h*ll out of dodge, not enforcing the law and chasing down the BG. Just my $.02.
In my opinion, if it's a gun fight that takes more than 1 magazine, then it is probably a gun fight you shouldn't be involved in anyway. I am not Rambo and I am not Johnny Law. Defense shooting means stopping the threat and getting the h*ll out of dodge, not enforcing the law and chasing down the BG. Just my $.02.
benderx4
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Oh yea, one more thing. Yes, the magazines are expensive for the P7.
But these magazines can be dropped from almost any height, ran over with a truck, bombarded with cinder blocks, and then put back into your P7 and they will function perfectly.
You get what you pay for ........
But these magazines can be dropped from almost any height, ran over with a truck, bombarded with cinder blocks, and then put back into your P7 and they will function perfectly.
You get what you pay for ........
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I don't know, but I purely love my P2000.
IMTHDUKE
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VTCHUCK
That's my thinking.
That's my thinking.
jhco
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Foget about it
IMTHDUKE
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Forget about what?
jhco
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If you gotta ask why a p7
then foget about it
then foget about it
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IMTHDUKE
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Yep...
...and how does this relate to the P7 being great?
usp9
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I guess he means "Greatness runs in the family". I agree.
ah...i missed the reference. i still hold it against HK for replacing their LE efforts for the P7M13 with the USP
seeker_two
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VTChuck said:
True....but it's nice to be able to reload your empty gun after the shooting stops.....I hate carrying around an empty gun....and lightning sometimes strikes twice....
I would hope that if I was involved in a shooting I wouldn't need the extra ammo BUT the LA riots and Hurrican Katrina have taught me that we have a fragile peace and if I ever need to quickly get home or get my kids to safety I want access to a little spare ammo. In the absence of that I do drive in relatively remote areas sometimes and if I was left on foot the extra ammo would be comforting too. I usually carry my P7 with one spare mag in my pocket or two on my belt. I also keep another spare mag in the console of my car. I don't feel undergunned with my P7 ever. Its a very fine weapon in my opinion.
jon in wv makes a good point for a spare mag.
i'd like to think i have enough training to excercise some shot discipline, but i've been to enough shootings where folks have emptied their guns to know better
i'd like to think i have enough training to excercise some shot discipline, but i've been to enough shootings where folks have emptied their guns to know better
I CCW and shoot my P7 in IDPA matches. I usually keep up easily with the gamers with tricked out 1911's and Glocks etc. I only fall behind when I need 20 rounds in a stage (8 rounds vs 10 for most guns and heel mag changes are sort of slow for me).
The gun gets hot, but its never been a real problem so far. We usually have about 20 min between stages anyway.
Also - I think my 10 year old shoots it better than I do...
The gun gets hot, but its never been a real problem so far. We usually have about 20 min between stages anyway.
Also - I think my 10 year old shoots it better than I do...
After I shot Justin's P7 I seriously considered buying one, and I'm a die-hard single action (Colt, BHP) type of guy.
They are seriously neat little pistols, a lot of whallop in a small package and all steel for you plastic fearing folks. When police trades started hitting the market the price point dropped considerably.
And let's face it if you could afford a P7 in the early days when they were $1100 or so in the 80's, you could afford to have someone make you a holster that worked.
They are seriously neat little pistols, a lot of whallop in a small package and all steel for you plastic fearing folks. When police trades started hitting the market the price point dropped considerably.
And let's face it if you could afford a P7 in the early days when they were $1100 or so in the 80's, you could afford to have someone make you a holster that worked.
What makes it so great is:
1. Extremely low bore axis, lower than probably any other autoloader ever made.
2. It's accurate - maybe something to do with the fixed barrel.
3. Extremely well made. Sure, a Timex works, but why wear a Timex if you can afford a Swiss watch?
4. Reliable.
5. Good barrel length and polygonal rifling give good muzzle velocity despite a very short overall length.
I had a shooting instructor who raved about them. He owns 6. He never once mentioned the cocking mechanism as a good point. He loved them for their accuracy and fast followup shots.
1. Extremely low bore axis, lower than probably any other autoloader ever made.
2. It's accurate - maybe something to do with the fixed barrel.
3. Extremely well made. Sure, a Timex works, but why wear a Timex if you can afford a Swiss watch?
4. Reliable.
5. Good barrel length and polygonal rifling give good muzzle velocity despite a very short overall length.
I had a shooting instructor who raved about them. He owns 6. He never once mentioned the cocking mechanism as a good point. He loved them for their accuracy and fast followup shots.
Dollar An Hour
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Did you get one? I guess CDNN has a batch that they sent out to have the slides nickel plated, though they aren't saying where.
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c919
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Untrue. A few months ago I asked "why a p7?" hence the OP. Now, a few months later and after a bit of research, I'm sold. They are truly awesome little machines.
I had seen a p7m13 in a picture comparing it with an XD40fs and ever since then I was under the impression that they were all that large. So obviously, I couldn't see why in the world so many people CC these things.
The p7 has certainly reserved itself a place on my long list. Hopefully I can justify getting one in the next year.
P7 is a really interesting pistol hampered only by its caliber. All German guns are expensive, thanks to the exchange rate.
And if the gun was really properly machines, fitting wouldn't be necessary.
When it came out, the P7 was the best in it's size an weight category. It was the first truly compact 9mm. Now there are several that are as reliable, and even more compact.
There's nothing wrong with the P7, and I carried one for several years. It's a great pocket gun in that even a snagged trigger isn't going to fire it and it fit well into the pocket of men's dress slacks.
Ultimately, it is a matter of preference. And while it's not the ultimate gun IMO, it is definitely in the upper range of quality and reliability.
And if the gun was really properly machines, fitting wouldn't be necessary.
When it came out, the P7 was the best in it's size an weight category. It was the first truly compact 9mm. Now there are several that are as reliable, and even more compact.
There's nothing wrong with the P7, and I carried one for several years. It's a great pocket gun in that even a snagged trigger isn't going to fire it and it fit well into the pocket of men's dress slacks.
Ultimately, it is a matter of preference. And while it's not the ultimate gun IMO, it is definitely in the upper range of quality and reliability.
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