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What science shows that?

And the prepper thing is odd....I'd think they'd stay home, not go out looking for trouble.
There have been a few books on the subject. Probably the most influential of which is Grand Theft Childhood: The Surprising Truth About Violent Video Games and What Parents Can Do.

While most agree that playing violent video games cause a minor increase psychological and physiological aggression, there's no conclusive link between games and violent behavior (like school shootings) despite constant arguments to the contrary. Also, pretty much all of the studies that DO link the two are considered by the scientific community to be flawed mostly due to things like small sample sizes, use of outdated media, and poorly defined terms and statistics.

Basically, anti-gaming rhetoric is just as asinine as anti-gun rhetoric.


On the subject of preppers, they just seem paranoid and jumpy to me. Let's also not forget that they're eagerly awaiting a SHTF scenario so that they can show off their foresight and skills. Furthermore, and let's be honest here, despite all of the "sheepdog" rhetoric, a lot of these guys would be the marauder type. As such, I sometimes get the feeling that even in a small-scale WROL, like a natural disaster, one of them might shoot at me or someone else simply for entering their turf on the grounds of "self-defense".

Despite that, I'm really not concerned about them much at all. I'm simply more concerned about them than anyone else because I'm not really concerned with anyone else.

Perhaps I should have worded the original "the only people I have any real concerns about" meaning concerns (however small or unlikely that I may face them) that I feel are realistic in a given scenario and not just imagining the worst case scenario.
 
It's just my opinion HD Camel, but in both those cases, I'd say you're just believing what you want to believe. Those are some pretty broad strokes in your descriptions in both cases.

And since I'm familiar with both sides, I see the gamers as the less connected to reality and the ones just looking for an excuse to 'act out.'

But that is just 'my' perspective on it.
 
Let's also not forget that they're eagerly awaiting a SHTF scenario so that they can show off their foresight and skills.

That's a gross mis-characterization and highly disparaging. All of the Preppers I know do it to build self reliance and to put themselves in a better positions. Preppers are the ones with the extra food and water during a disaster, a generator during a power outage, the knowledge to grow food or repair household items without relying on a big-box store to supply the needs of their life. As a very wise man said, prepping is for "helping you to live a better life when times get tough, or even if they don't". Prepping is just learning to be prepared for life's ups and downs. Even owning and carrying a gun is form of preparing. You're preparing to supply your own meat. You're preparing to defend your life or the lives or loved ones. Preppers just take that mindset a step further and apply it to other areas of life. We as gun owners don't want to only rely on police to protect our lives. Preppers don't want to only rely on the just-in-time supply chain of a grocery store to supply food. Prepping is being able to live life on your own terms, so that if something bad does happen, big or small, you're prepared to deal with it and keep living they life you enjoy. Stop believing the BS you see on TV. "Doomsday Preppers" is about as an accurate representation of Preppers as "Sons of Guns" is of the average gun owner. TV shows have been and always will be total unrealistic nonsense.


As far as gamers go, this isn't the 1980s or 90s. I think some of you have a very outdated idea of gamers. Video games are not toys for children or Mountain Dew fueled teenagers anymore. I'm almost 30, working on my second degree, in my second term of enlistment in the military, and well within my career, and yet I still play X-Box nearly every day. And I am not alone. Stop trying to put people into little stereotypical boxes that you can disparage and blame for problems. If you think "gamers" are one group of people with one set of ideals/actions/mindset/etc, you are clearly out of touch with reality and wish instead to see reality in the simplistic the way you want it to be.
 
Something to remember, our idea of escapism is evolving. Our fathers and grandfathers grew up watching cowboys and indians. People getting killed all of the time. Some of them had unrealistic perceptions about guns and violence too. Some of them had a difficult time growing up.

I really think it's on the parents to make sure their kids' activities are sufficiently diversified in order to ensure they learn the difference between video games and reality. (I make a serious effort to make sure that my little vampires get some sun on their skin every day, and that they occasionally eat something green. Soon I will start taking them to Appleseed shoots.)
 
On the video game note, most folks I know who are into guns, aren't into video games, and the ones who are like my late 30's professional couple next door, hate real guns, yet own every console from PS3,-to xbox, and "she" is a highlly ranked online player.
I gave her my AR, to hold, she had never held a real rifle. She wans not interested in it at all, she actually was in fear of it.
Yet they play black ops all the time, and Halo, call of duty etc. So it dosen't really translate.
 
It's just my opinion HD Camel, but in both those cases, I'd say you're just believing what you want to believe. Those are some pretty broad strokes in your descriptions in both cases.

And since I'm familiar with both sides, I see the gamers as the less connected to reality and the ones just looking for an excuse to 'act out.'

But that is just 'my' perspective on it.
I'm sorry if my opinion of preppers is misinformed, but the only exposure I've had to them are the guys I've met at gun shows and guys I've talked to over the internet. They've all been as I described. So it would be more accurate to say that a particular subset of preppers are the only firearms owners who concern me and still not very much at that.

The info about video games is scientific fact though. There is no conclusive link between video games and violent behavior. It's not just wishful thinking. I gave you the title of a definitive work on the subject, what more do you want?
 
It's not that I don't think it's a good idea to be prepared for the most likely needs, at least for a few days. But I know some people who go all-out, but when they talk to me, I realize that they have never actually tested any of the gear they are buying, and if they ever actually had to live through a crisis, they have no idea where to start.

My own mother has come around a bit, but she showed me a list of items someone told her she should have, a lot of them were brands that no longer exist as she thought they did, or were never great to begin with. I also persuaded her to realize that if there is a REAL crisis, and she has resources no one else does, she will have to be ready to fight to keep them.
 
Cowboy Action Shooting has brought in quite a few new shooters, many of them spouses and children who wanted to share in the fun. The number of old west style revolvers, rifles, and shotguns available today is much greater than 15 years ago because of the popularity of this sport, and is proof that this shooting format has had a positive effect. When I joined SASS in 1998, I was member #18287. Badge numbers are now up in the 90,000 range.

Say what you will about dressing up and playing cowboy, families and friends shooting real ammo in friendly competition helps all shooting sports.
 
I just came back from the doctor, "who carries", a Glock 19, at my recommendation a few years ago. After which I went to the pharmacy, where while waiting, I got in to a discussion that went from eyewear, oakleys, to guns with a young couple also waiting for their order. She showed me her Kimber Ultra, "Crimson Trace", in her pocketbok, almost immediatlly when we changed the topic to firearms. This was the last little girl that I would have suspected of carrying a gun. So it just goes to show, everyone is doing it when allowed.
If you build it they will come, if you allow it they will carry.
 
I would say that most of us grew up shooting,

Maybe of those who come on forums like these - however, most new gun owners see the news and are scared - whether political, racial, financial, criminal, EOTWAWKI, or whatever - they are perceiving a grave threat about to happen
Since BO's first election, the majority of guns bought have NOT been the traditional wood and steel hunting, target types but the AR and the small SD gun

There's a reason for that
 
I'd have to say that new gun owners are headed to the light! Those that aren't in our camp are in the dark. Most new gun owners I've met are concerned about their personal safety or the safety of their families. Some are new hunters, but not many I don't think.
 
I think hunting is on the downswing as popularity goes, but I think a few new gun owners might be attracted to it. It is a test of your shooting skills when it actually matters if you hit the target. You miss on paper, no biggie, but you miss on your hunt, might mean a long time tracking and possibly not ever getting your animal.
 
well, ill add my 2 cents here.

I grew up in NYC.. yeah the place were guns are evil. (sorta joke).. mostly Bronx and brooklyn.. later the island (long if ya gotta ask)

thing is, everyone on my block/building owned a gun and or carried one. Illegally.. lets see, we had butchers, retailers, deli owners, blue collar, cops, teamsters, fireman, etc.. it was a normal Brooklyn neighborhood.

My dad was a delegate for a very large union that for the most part was run by Italians. He always said every home should have one and on the block it is just like having your wallet and keys... I got to visit him in "school" as jail it was called on the block throughout the years. LIL misunderstandings with the law my mom would say.

I admired these men when I was a kid. Their cars, their clothes...the power..

Back to OP, having a SD weapon was normal. Illegal or not. NYC is not gun friendly at all. I became the black sheep of my family by the age of thirty for announcing i was republican and was going to seminary.. Go figure.. but from a family of Italian Catholics thats like cussin yer momma out..

I raised many foster kids, and live in the south now a days. Now that the fostering has finished, i now carry legally just because i believe in what my Pops said.. "every home should have one and on the block it is just like having your wallet and keys, dont leave the house without them"

Sorry this is long.. folks do change. my first sermon was my moms funeral over 20 years ago. I am a decorated (for what thats worth) veteran and a pastor to vets, bikers, homeless and some....... gasp, regular middle class folk.. my new neighbor just asked me about Guns. then asked if i would mind taking him to the range. He said if a preacher can carry it cant be all bad. (obama sticker on his car)

appreciate the higher ground.. keep it up boys and girls, ladies and gents..

be blessed.
 
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I'm sorry if my opinion of preppers is misinformed, but the only exposure I've had to them are the guys I've met at gun shows and guys I've talked to over the internet. They've all been as I described. So it would be more accurate to say that a particular subset of preppers are the only firearms owners who concern me and still not very much at that.

The info about video games is scientific fact though. There is no conclusive link between video games and violent behavior. It's not just wishful thinking. I gave you the title of a definitive work on the subject, what more do you want?

I appreciated the sources, I've seen similar. And I've seen other 'sources' that said the opposite.

I do, just IMO, believe that games like that do blur the lines for boys when it comes to reality and violence.

Of course, movies and TV did that for a generation before...and I believe it happened there too. We see the evidence of BOTH in the videos we all see of convenience store robberies and bank hold ups....the guns held sideways, the exact wording from games & movies, etc etc. The shooter in the Colo theater was dressed as the Joker.

For any of us here...who can say we were 'immersed' in something fully and then could just mentally disengage completely?
 
I suppose im one of those "fly over country" hillbillies. I cant imagine not owning firearms. my life revolves around hunting and fishing. I enjoy nothing more than to to take my boys(13 and 11 years old) out and soak up some fellowship of older experienced outdoorsmen. It goes unsaid but we literally work to hit the woods.

nowadays the liberal mindset and general wussification of our nation has vilified hunters and gun owners.

My grandma has successfully stopped invaders just by mentioning the fact that they would shot full of .38 holes. whether she would or not who knows( most likely).
And for myself as a soldier and later as a dad, how could we defend our nation inside or out without arms. An unarmed nation is an easily divided nation, which cannot stand for long.
 
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