Which will break first: Glock 17, Sig Sauer 226 or HK USP?

[el Godfather]

Dear THR
If fired on daily basis 500 rounds without cleaning ever, which of the following will break or malfunction first in your opinion:

Glock 17
HK USP
Sig Sauer 226

Thanks.

 

[ExMachina]

The Hi-Point

 

[Ranger30-06]

Probably the H&K. Maybe the Glock. It's probably a toss up there.

The Sig will go the longest though. I've seen those "unbelievable Glocks never jam" videos and I just don't buy it. I've seen more problems with Glock at the range and while Sigs aren't perfect, I trust their guns a heck lot more than I'll ever trust a Glock.


Also remember: You can home forge steel for new parts if needed. Try doing that with plastic.

 

[meanmrmustard]

This would make a very informative, if not expensive test. All constants being equal (ammunition mainly) with tests performed indoors, weapons stored identically and fire rate kept at a constant pace for all pistols tested. I have heard tales of the Sig graduating beyond 100,000 rounds without maintenance and/or parts malfunction. While this may be bantha fodder, I could see these three titans going pretty far. Who's willing to participate?

But, with what I've personally seen, I voted G17. They're tough, but I see the Sig as victorious here. Never seen a 226 hiccup, no nothing of the USP, and seen Glocks fail leading me to believe it would shoot craps first. YMMV.

 

[allaroundhunter]

Who's willing to participate?

On your dime? I'm in

 

[357 Terms]

You will lose all feeling in your fingers from loading all those mags.

You! will break first

 

[Smith357]

Murphy says they will all break, and at the worst possible moment.

The Glock will be the easiest to get parts for if it does break. My LGS has every pin, lever, spring and do-dad needed for rebuilding a Glock except a frame.

 

[GLOOB]

I thought it was accepted as fact that aluminum alloy frames have a more limited lifespan, in terms of round count. I'd bet the Sig would break, first.

As for malfunction, I'm not sure which would malfunction first. But since you specified no cleaning, I'd bet on the Glock to malfunction last. If that also means no lube, then it's a no brainer.

 

[rcmodel]

Probably your credit card will break first, if you have to buy the ammo for them to find out.

rc

 

[jmr40]

Glock has the proof to back up their claims. http://www.tactical-life.com/online/combat-handguns/glock-17-9mm-torture-test/ There are several Glocks with a documented 250,000 to 300,000 rounds through them.

If another gun can match that, then lets see it.

Generally any of the plastic framed guns are proving they will hold up better and last longer than any of the aluminum alloy guns which generally have a life expectancy of only around 30,000-35,000 rounds. Compared to at least 100,000 rounds for most steel framed guns. There is a reason why aluminum alloy guns are becoming much less common.

As much as I like a Sig, it will be the 1st to wear out. Not that I could afford to buy enough ammo to wear out any of them.

 

[Ranger30-06]

If anyone wants to pay for the ammo, I'm willing to bet that my S&W 4046 will outlast a Glock any day of the next century.

Why is it that these amazing reliability stories and indestructible nature only exist on the internet? I seriously see the most problems with the two major sides of the spectrum:

A) The Glock guys. Everytime I'm at the range, there's someone having an issue with their Glock. I've heard it all; Mags, ammo, even springs, which while they could be correct, it just seems like its happening WAY to much.

B) The $2K 1911 guys. This is because the 1911 was originally a loose gun. Theses really nice looking ones are great on the range, but a combat nightmare as far as reliability goes.

Then you have the other guys. The XD guys, M&P guys, Sigma guys, Makarov guys, revolver guys, P80 series guys, 226 guys, USP guys, Hi-Point guys, and even Chauchat guys for the love of God. What do they all have in common? None of their guns have ever had an issue to date and is the best combat piece devised.

Seriously, I think people are less reluctant to admit to a jamming Glock because they have a reputation to live up to instead of just admitting to the issues with them.

 

[allaroundhunter]

Then you have the other guys. The XD guys, M&P guys, Sigma guys, Makarov guys, revolver guys, P80 series guys, 226 guys, USP guys, Hi-Point guys, and even Chauchat guys for the love of God. What do they all have in common? None of their guns have ever had an issue to date and is the best combat piece devised.

My Glock 19 jams more than I care to admit....and I have said so in several threads here. My M&P however, has never malfunctioned. However, going into combat I would rather have a metal sidearm as opposed to tupperware. It is just my opinion, but I like some heft to the gun....once funds become available, a Sig will be mine....

I have never fired an S&W 4046, but I would love to have one, and I have no doubt to its reliability.

1911s are 1911s, there are good, and there are bad, but higher grade ones are *typically* more reliable.

 

[Swing]

The Hi-Point

LOL!

 

[Master Blaster]

I own all three, the SIG will break long before the HK or the Glock. SIG states their alloy guns need a rebuild at 20,000 rounds actual reality bears that out. Sorry folks but thats the facts.

 

[whalerman]

Why is this at all relevant? Drain the oil out of your BMW, Chevy, and Benz and see which blows up first. Then ask yourself, what have you proven? The "no cleaning" element makes the game worthless.

 

[PRM]

If fired on daily basis 500 rounds without cleaning ever, which of the following will break or malfunction first in your opinion:

LOL...500 rounds a day at todays prices

 

[dcarch]

I voted Sig. Some of the ones I've seen recently don't seem to hold up quite as well in the long run. JMHO, mind you. Don't count me as a reliable source, just my opinion.

 

[X-Rap]

Test three and what have you proven? Test 300 then maybe your test would have some validity.

 

[coolluke01]

Why is this at all relevant? Drain the oil out of your BMW, Chevy, and Benz and see which blows up first. Then ask yourself, what have you proven? The "no cleaning" element makes the game worthless.

No one is draining the oil from these guns. This is a simple question as to which gun will fail first due to gunk build up or part failure.

The Glock will outlast them all.

P.S My Benz doesn't need an oil change for 15,000 miles, it will last longer than the chevy!

 

[allaroundhunter]

P.S My Benz doesn't need an oil change for 15,000 miles, it will last longer than the chevy!

You willing to pay for the gas to test that theory

 

[Swing]

LOL...500 rounds a day at todays prices

Teehee

 

[Girodin]

I've seen more problems with Glock at the range and while Sigs aren't perfect, I trust their guns a heck lot more than I'll ever trust a Glock.

I've owned multiple of both and I do not share your opinion. I trust them both as far as reliability goes. Newer sigs being more suspect.

As has been stated the sig has a shorter service life than the glock. An aluminium frame has its draw backs.

The fact is most people simply are not going to wear any of them out. If you do you will have spent enough on ammo that buying a new gun is nothing in comparison.

The OPs question is very problematic in that it conflates break/malfunction. Those are two really different things.

Outside of human error, bad mags are the most likely thing to cause problems in either. After that is probably worn out parts like a recoil spring. The fact is no one can answer your question. It would take a very large random sampling of guns in a very controlled environment to even have any data. I saw _____ at the range is pretty much meaningless as it fails to isolate the variable we are interested in, and even if it did it is not statistically meaningful.

Theses really nice looking ones are great on the range, but a combat nightmare as far as reliability goes.

It is not "nice ones" or expensive ones that are per se an issue. Rather it is how they are built. There are $2k 1911s that are built with combat in mind. Others are built with different priorities. Hopefully anyone carrying a 1911 into harms way understands that.

 

[12131]

Does it really matter? They are all excellent pistols, with proven track records. One man's experiment with a sample of three is gonna prove, or disprove, what?

I know, I'm a party pooper.

 

[tarosean]

at 500rds a day just stop shooting for a couple days and replace the broken gun with a new one...

 

[allaroundhunter]

Does it really matter? They are all excellent pistols, with proven track records. One man's experiment with a sample of three is gonna prove, or disprove, what?

I know, I'm a party pooper.

Amen. If my life is in danger and you hand me any one of these 3 pistols I am not going to doubt for a second what will happen when I pull that trigger. The gun will go bang, and it will do so accurately (if I do my part)